WJC: 2021 Canada Roster Talk Part 2

[username6799]

The difference is that most players expected to produce points in this camp did. Byfield and Krebs really underperformed from that perspective.

I hope Byfield ups his game but he hasn't had a strong showing.

No, the difference is there are players that have more to their game than just filling the net.

Going by your summary (awesome work by the way)

Do you want Krebs-Byfield-Mercer = 3 pts

Tomasino-Clarke-Zary = 16 pts

I wouldn't take those guys on a hunch that they're still going to be hot almost a month from now... I'm taking the guys that even if they're cold are still effective players for the team. Especially on a team with this much talent where any number of players could get hot and drive the offense.

 

[surixon]

No, the difference is there are players that have more to their game than just filling the net.

Going by your summary (awesome work by the way)

Do you want Krebs-Byfield-Mercer = 3 pts

Tomasino-Clarke-Zary = 16 pts

I wouldn't take those guys on a hunch that they're still going to be hot almost a month from now... I'm taking the guys that even if they're cold are still effective players for the team. Especially on a team with this much talent where any number of players could get hot and drive the offense.

I'm still taking Byfield on my team but unless he steps up he can sit in the 4C slot that he was in today and have to work his way up.

Also a number of those other kids are first round picks and highly talented kids themselves.

Problem with your thought process is that Byfield brings very little to the team if he isn't scoring. He doesn't play a crash and bang energy game nor is he that great at using his size and physicality on the cycle at this point.

Mercer - Yes he has a role on my team in a bottom 6 role. He is very tenacious on the forecheck, great on the PK and can transition well.

 

[username6799]

Shocking a coach takes a player from his team. He produced fine in camp so no issue with him making it.

Shocking that his best 2 games happen to be with Byfield-Krebs then Cozens-Dach... also worth noting Dach, Cozens, and Krebs had a combined 7 points when NOT with Quinn in those 2 games, and a combined 0 points playing with him.

Kid's still a hell of a player and can't make a fair judgment without seeing the games but feels like he's being shoehorned onto this team

 

[surixon]

Shocking that his best 2 games happen to be with Byfield-Krebs then Cozens-Dach... also worth noting Dach, Cozens, and Krebs had a combined 7 points when NOT with Quinn in those 2 games, and a combined 0 points playing with him.

Kid's still a hell of a player and can't make a fair judgment without seeing the games but feels like he's being shoehorned onto this team

He definitely is being shoehorned, the coach like everyone has their favorites. He wasn't noticiable in the first two games imo. Agreed anyone can look good with Dach centering them.

 

[Dack]

I'm thinking the 14 forwards will be (no order)
Dach
Cozens
Mercer
Byfield
McMichael
Perfetti
Pelletier
Newhook
Holloway
Tomasino
Zary
Rees
Quinn
Krebs


Clarke also has a shot at the 14th forward slot he could take the spot of one of Rees, Zary or Quinn.

 

[username6799]

Also a number of those other kids are first round picks and highly talented kids themselves.

I'm well aware those three are great players, and I am not knocking them at all, just saying don't be shocked tomorrow morning to see a few highly talented players who put up points get sent home in favour of others who just aren't hot right now or are better suited for other roles.

 

[surixon]

I'm well aware those three are great players, and I am not knocking them at all, just saying don't be shocked tomorrow morning to see a few highly talented players who put up points get sent home in favour of others who just aren't hot right now or are better suited for other roles.

I wont be shocked it happens every year.

 

[username6799]

I'm thinking the 14 forwards will be (no order)
Dach
Cozens
Mercer
Byfield
McMichael
Perfetti
Pelletier
Newhook
Holloway
Tomasino
Zary
Rees
Quinn
Krebs


Clarke also has a shot at the 14th forward slot he could take the spot of one of Rees, Zary or Quinn.

Pelletier
Newhook
Holloway
Tomasino
Zary
Rees
Quinn

Not sold on this group here. I think if the team had been picked BEFORE the game this is the likely scenario, but does Holloway-Newhook-Pelletier make it off one really good outing? If they were also good in the second game I say absolutely but haven't read anything about them yet.

Tomasino and Zary had their "D-Z-T" line game where I think they all put up 3 or 4 points.. haven't done much since that one game, so without Dach, do Tomasino and Zary make it?

Sounds like Rees may have clicked with Krebs? Not sure, but I think a really good or bad game tonight could have swayed his position.

Quinn I feel like hasn't done anything but his coach loves him and feel like Tourigny will take one of him or Clarke to have a 67 on the team, likely Quinn even if Clarke's been better.

Likely most of these guys listed it, just looking at some of the arguments against them.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Why is Drysdale playing with Byram? is he going to essentially be Byram's babysitter? don't mean that as shade towards Byram

I’m not sure that’s the greatest idea for a pairing myself. Drysdale also has scored zero points in these four scrimmages according to the summary posted above (Byram has 1G 3A as he had two assists in game 2, just a correction). Byram loves to carry the puck so it seems to me Drysdale is going to defer too much. Byram was the TOI leader by the end of the tourney last year so he doesn’t need any hand holding but I think they’d get more out of Drysdale elsewhere.

I don’t have an issue with continuing to put Byfield in a position to produce, they just can’t count on it.

 

[bsu]

Drysdale definitely tries harder on defense when playing best vs best. That was noted in a lot of scouting reports.

 

[DavidLamb]

I am disappointed see the leading goal and point getter from the WHL, Adam Beckman, looking kind a slower than other players. WHL players out there, work on your skating and skills!!

 

[Dack]

Pelletier
Newhook
Holloway
Tomasino
Zary
Rees
Quinn

Not sold on this group here. I think if the team had been picked BEFORE the game this is the likely scenario, but does Holloway-Newhook-Pelletier make it off one really good outing? If they were also good in the second game I say absolutely but haven't read anything about them yet.

Tomasino and Zary had their "D-Z-T" line game where I think they all put up 3 or 4 points.. haven't done much since that one game, so without Dach, do Tomasino and Zary make it?

Sounds like Rees may have clicked with Krebs? Not sure, but I think a really good or bad game tonight could have swayed his position.

Quinn I feel like hasn't done anything but his coach loves him and feel like Tourigny will take one of him or Clarke to have a 67 on the team, likely Quinn even if Clarke's been better.

Likely most of these guys listed it, just looking at some of the arguments against them.

Pelletier had as good of a first game as anyone, was apparently very good last night and is a good PKer.

I think the two NCAA guys were always likely to make it. I think that line is almost a lock and could see them being used as a line in the WJC.

Tomasino is a borderline lock IMO, him not being on the team would be shocking.

Prior to the scrimmages Tourigny said that Zary had been one of their best players in the drills portion, along with his ability to play any position I think him making the team looks likely but he's definitely not a lock. He had a goal in game 3 and in the 2nd game I thought he had some really good chances on top of his 3 points.

Quinn is iffy, playing him with Dach and Cozens in the final game screams "show me something" to me. Not to say he's been bad but he wasn't great in the first two games.

Rees is weird to me, many thought he would make the team last year and I don't even think he got an invite to camp. He's played well but maybe they want size on their 4th line?

Aside from Clarke I'm having a hard time seeing anyone of the other guys I have as cuts making it over these guys. Poulin had a great start to game 1, but we haven't heard a thing about him since, aside from a penalty tonight.

Jarvis hasn't made much noise for a smaller skilled guy IMO. Goncalves is a longshot. I don't think Suzuki is the kind of guy they'd look at for 4th line minutes. I really don't see Bourque making it, he's a good player and will probably play a decent sized role next year.

 

[Leviathan899]

Also pretty obvious the coach is trying to give his guy in Quinn as big of a push as possible. Played with Byfield now Dach and Cozens.

Well yeah, why wouldn’t you put Quinn with those guys and see what he can do? To me that’s a sign that maybe Quinn hasn’t been what they were expecting and this is a wake up call/last chance to perform. I still think he makes it and should.

 

[Leviathan899]

Pelletier had as good of a first game as anyone, was apparently very good last night and is a good PKer.

I think the two NCAA guys were always likely to make it. I think that line is almost a lock and could see them being used as a line in the WJC.

Tomasino is a borderline lock IMO, him not being on the team would be shocking.

Prior to the scrimmages Tourigny said that Zary had been one of their best players in the drills portion, along with his ability to play any position I think him making the team looks likely but he's definitely not a lock. He had a goal in game 3 and in the 2nd game I thought he had some really good chances on top of his 3 points.

Quinn is iffy, playing him with Dach and Cozens in the final game screams "show me something" to me. Not to say he's been bad but he wasn't great in the first two games.

Rees is weird to me, many thought he would make the team last year and I don't even think he got an invite to camp. He's played well but maybe they want size on their 4th line?

Aside from Clarke I'm having a hard time seeing anyone of the other guys I have as cuts making it over these guys. Poulin had a great start to game 1, but we haven't heard a thing about him since, aside from a penalty tonight.

Jarvis hasn't made much noise for a smaller skilled guy IMO. Goncalves is a longshot. I don't think Suzuki is the kind of guy they'd look at for 4th line minutes. I really don't see Bourque making it, he's a good player and will probably play a decent sized role next year.

That’s a good post, really hit the nail on the head imo. Bourque is just one of those guys who is an easy cut this year but is a very good player and next year should be an impact player. Just too many good players this year to choose from. I think I would only take one of Zary or Rees, they play a little too similar of a game for me. I think I’d rather have Clarke than Rees but it’s so hard to say.

 

[bert]

Shocking that his best 2 games happen to be with Byfield-Krebs then Cozens-Dach... also worth noting Dach, Cozens, and Krebs had a combined 7 points when NOT with Quinn in those 2 games, and a combined 0 points playing with him.

Kid's still a hell of a player and can't make a fair judgment without seeing the games but feels like he's being shoehorned onto this team

He has been good the entire camp what are you talking about? How many times have you actually watched him play? You're criticizing the coach for taking an elite player who can play in any situation, both Wings was the 8th overall pick who had the most goals in the CHL last year of any player in camp.

Also pretty obvious the coach is trying to give his guy in Quinn as big of a push as possible. Played with Byfield now Dach and Cozens.

All he does is score, not sure why he wouldn't try him in that spot when he knows what he is capable of. He was always a lock to make the team.

I'm thinking the 14 forwards will be (no order)
Dach
Cozens
Mercer
Byfield
McMichael
Perfetti
Pelletier
Newhook
Holloway
Tomasino
Zary
Rees
Quinn
Krebs


Clarke also has a shot at the 14th forward slot he could take the spot of one of Rees, Zary or Quinn.

If you follow the 67's at all taking Clarke over Quinn would be asinine.

 

[bert]

Pelletier
Newhook
Holloway
Tomasino
Zary
Rees
Quinn

Not sold on this group here. I think if the team had been picked BEFORE the game this is the likely scenario, but does Holloway-Newhook-Pelletier make it off one really good outing? If they were also good in the second game I say absolutely but haven't read anything about them yet.

Tomasino and Zary had their "D-Z-T" line game where I think they all put up 3 or 4 points.. haven't done much since that one game, so without Dach, do Tomasino and Zary make it?

Sounds like Rees may have clicked with Krebs? Not sure, but I think a really good or bad game tonight could have swayed his position.

Quinn I feel like hasn't done anything but his coach loves him and feel like Tourigny will take one of him or Clarke to have a 67 on the team, likely Quinn even if Clarke's been better.

Likely most of these guys listed it, just looking at some of the arguments against them.

Lol YIKES. So you're making your opinion based on box scores 'who you're sold on'. I'd say watch some of these players a little bit before making these types of posts. Yeah he will just take one just because, give your head a shake. The selections are being made not only one how they have performed in the scrimmages but also what the coaching staffs know they can do. They have actually scouted and watched these players outside of the try out camp. Thats how these players got here in the first place. We get it you want Jarvis on the team. Its a 19 year old tournament. He will be on it next year.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

If you follow the 67's at all taking Clarke over Quinn would be asinine.

Last time we really seen either was 8 months ago, a lot can happen in 8 months. In the 2 games that were visible Clarke's skating has improved immensely.

 

[tigervixxxen]

One factor that isn’t considered near enough is experience with Hockey Canada. Quinn doesn’t have any prior to this, not even a U17 which nearly everyone has. I think he’s definitely on the short list but hardly a lock. Tourigny isn’t the only one who makes the decision.

 

[Prominence Problem]

I'd make my predictions on the cuts, but this is going to be really hard.

Instead, I'll make two predictions on who I think is going to make the team:

Sebrango

Suzuki

 

[username6799]

Lol YIKES. So you're making your opinion based on box scores 'who you're sold on'. I'd say watch some of these players a little bit before making these types of posts. Yeah he will just take one just because, give your head a shake. The selections are being made not only one how they have performed in the scrimmages but also what the coaching staffs know they can do. They have actually scouted and watched these players outside of the try out camp. Thats how these players got here in the first place. We get it you want Jarvis on the team. Its a 19 year old tournament. He will be on it next year.

We have an angry little elf here...

Most if not all of those guys will make the team, including your ole' pal Quinn. Just pointing out things that I've noticed. Sorry for having an opinion Bert and criticizing your boy.

 

[AvsCOL]

Hilarious how people are making conclusions on the last two games when literally no one here has seen a second of the gameplay. We're all just speculating here. What will be, will be.

 

[TheGreekShot]

Hilarious how people are making conclusions on the last two games when literally no one here has seen a second of the gameplay. We're all just speculating here. What will be, will be.

Agreed, but it's also half fun to speculate. This tweet being a prime example of that.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

on Quinn

on Clarke

on Perfetti

 

[jc17]

Making a wholesale judgement on byfield based on points in 4 exhibition games is silly, but he's a big name and it comes with the territory.

People have already cited his performance from last year's wjc, and the top prospects game as examples of him not shining against good competition and this just adds more to the arsenal. Again, its unreasonable if people try to use this to project him as a bust or anything, but I don't think it's ridiculous that the trend has been brought up.

Either way, I think he's got enough ability that he should make the team. I agree that not playing for months is a factor especially for the younger guys. Seems like low risk, high reward to have him on the roster