Speculation: 2021-22 Trade Thread VI : Who's your Dadonov?

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Would you guys trade #10 for Dach?

I’d would prob want a good sweetener and idk if Chicago has the right piece to make the deal work , and see who is available at 10


He barely out scoring sam steel, playing 6 mins more a game and prob better line mates and opportunities.

I get there is still upside in him…. But how much? I’m just not super sold on him…. And I thjnk there is a ton of solid options at 10…. I also think this draft is getting severely underrated due to Covid seasons

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd think about Comtois for Dach.

I would be shocked if Chicago moved dach at this point…. I’d just sit on him and hope he can regain some of his hype.

Same way I feel about comtois, I think it’s potentially a mistake selling low on him now and would rather give him offseason and part of next season to get back on track

 

[DavidBL]

We are giving up a proven above average to top 5 NHL starter (not gonna wade into where, specifically). The teams currently wanting him have great rosters being held back by…substandard NHL starters. IF he is to be traded, with the franchise uncertainty that will bring, because neither Stolarz nor Dostal have proven squat about being that guy, IMO it should be for pieces that are actually in line Verbeek’s vision, which is allegedly character veterans to teach work ethic through the entire franchise, young players who are hard to play against and ready to contribute, and high enough draft picks to make a difference in his stared 3-5 year target window. Get reasonably high picks and prospects that have reasonable chances of being on this team, don’t buy a corvette when you live in an area made up of dirt roads.

Terry is RFA, will be 25 when he reaches that status, and both acts like and says he wishes to be a team leader. Gibson has 5 years of control. Nylander will be UFA after 2 seasons, will be 28 when he gets there, and has never been spoken of as a team leader as best I know, held out on his RFA contract, and has never been past the first round of the playoffs. He isn’t good enough to move the team into the playoffs, just to make the draft pick worse.

Players have every right to get as much money as they can, and I certainly don’t begrudge them that right. However, non-elite players who do so (as well as most of them too) need to take a long hard look in the mirror when the franchise can’t get past the first round because they are a piece of two short due to cap constraints.

I think it's fair to have concerns over Nylander, at least from what we know. I don't wholly disagree with you. For me though Nylander would likely one of our 2 best players if we added him. Should he be? We've already had 4 top 10 picks. How many more to hope we find a player as good as Nylander? I'm not married to Nylander. I'd prefer a player we could resign now to guarantee his term. That's honestly my biggest concern with him.
As for Gibby. I agree with your description and IMO any trade we make with him should reflect that. Generally speaking I'd prefer to keep him and hope we can improve the team enough to help alleviate his frustrations with the current situation.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I think it's fair to have concerns over Nylander, at least from what we know. I don't wholly disagree with you. For me though Nylander would likely one of our 2 best players if we added him. Should he be? We've already had 4 top 10 picks. How many more to hope we find a player as good as Nylander? I'm not married to Nylander. I'd prefer a player we could resign now to guarantee his term. That's honestly my biggest concern with him.
As for Gibby. I agree with your description and IMO any trade we make with him should reflect that. Generally speaking I'd prefer to keep him and hope we can improve the team enough to help alleviate his frustrations with the current situation.

My concern with Nylander is also that he will absolutely not stick around unless he’s way overpaid and even then likely wants zero part of the rebuild. I’d be fine with flipping him immediately as part of a 3-way trade for more appropriate parts, but I just think there are more appropriate returns for Gibson.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

hate to be a Debbie downer, but none of those rumors on that Instagram post are new. its basically the same stuff that’s regurgitated on the trade boards if you don’t visit there frequently

 

[Leonardo87]

Nylander is not the kind of player you want around for the kids. Go out and throw a shit load of money at Palat. No way Tampa can afford to keep him.

 

[bsu]

Trade for Kakko

 

[DavidBL]

Nylander is not the kind of player you want around for the kids. Go out and throw a shit load of money at Palat. No way Tampa can afford to keep him.

Is there a particular reason we feel that way? Perfectly okay with Palat. I also like Burakovsky

 

[KyleJRM]

There's a big difference between thinking there's a good chance Gibson can be elite again with a better team versus believing it to be a 100% guarantee.

We think Gibson could put it together in the right situation. We don't know it.

 

[Kalv]

Rumors on Dach are intriguing, but I don't think we would be good trade partners.

Also, in YouTube when you filter videos about Dach from this year, it's just he being on the wrong side of the hit Still an intriguing player, but a bit risky (to reach his potential)

 

[WhatTheDuck]

There's a big difference between thinking there's a good chance Gibson can be elite again with a better team versus believing it to be a 100% guarantee.

We think Gibson could put it together in the right situation. We don't know it.

Maybe not with certainty but we pretty much got to see it with our own eyes in the first half of the year. The team finally had a couple lines that could push some offense, got a string of good health on the back end, and Gibby took care of the rest.

 

[Leonardo87]

So looking at some dates to circle on your calendars…

June 21st - Award show at 7pm EST (Zegras - Calder)

July 7th & 8th - 2022 Draft

July 13th - 12pm EST - Free Agency

Bring on the off season! Lol

 

[bsu]

 

[WhatTheDuck]

They'll have to play him or trade him at this point, no longer waiver exempt moving forward and likely wouldn't accept the assignment to the AHL anyway.

On that note, I posted a thread asking which other young players are losing their waiver exemption status for next year, and there are quite a few interesting names. Obviously a lot of them will stick or be traded rather than waived, but there might be some buy low opportunities among them.

Speculation: - Prospects losing waiver exemption for 2022/23

Now that capfriendly has updated and rolled everything over to 2022/23, I'm curious which prospects from each team will lose their exemption and become waiver eligible for the first time. Obviously a topic to refresh as we get closer to training camp and have a better understanding of how...

hfboards.mandatory.com

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I just realized that the Rangers are still paying Shattenkirk's buyout for one more year. Between his inflated salary in the final year of his deal (4,950,000) and his buyout (1,433,333), dude is making some real coin this season (6,383,333).

 

[Kalv]

I just realized that the Rangers are still paying Shattenkirk's buyout for one more year. Between his inflated salary in the final year of his deal (4,950,000) and his buyout (1,433,333), dude is making some real coin this season (6,383,333).

Damn, that's a good salary, good for him.

Maybe unpopular, but I think he had a solid year for us. At the start of the year, his fancy numbers were really really bad, but he managed to score a lot of points anyway. Then he cleaned up his game it felt, but weirdly his production went down. But I thought he were more solid.

Still he was over his head many times, but he was also put in tough situations. I have an impression that he's a good presence as a leader, so to me, he's an ok player for us, but just having a bit of a bad rep (and he can make some frustrating plays at times). But I'm... glad to have him for the net year.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Damn, that's a good salary, good for him.

Maybe unpopular, but I think he had a solid year for us. At the start of the year, his fancy numbers were really really bad, but he managed to score a lot of points anyway. Then he cleaned up his game it felt, but weirdly his production went down. But I thought he were more solid.

Still he was over his head many times, but he was also put in tough situations. I have an impression that he's a good presence as a leader, so to me, he's an ok player for us, but just having a bit of a bad rep (and he can make some frustrating plays at times). But I'm... glad to have him for the net year.

For me it's not so much a problem with Shatt himself, because I think he's just fine as a bottom pairing puck mover and 2nd PP guy, probably can still play that role well on a contending team with a bunch of reliable minute munchers ahead of him. I just hate the fit on this team that already has Drysdale on the right side, and all these young left D to try and bring along. Outside of Fowler, Drysdale, Vaak and whatever other young D, we need the other D in the lineup to be steady, physical, crease clearing type guys...basically the opposite of Shattenkirk.

 

[Kalv]

For me it's not so much a problem with Shatt himself, because I think he's just fine as a bottom pairing puck mover and 2nd PP guy, probably can still play that role well on a contending team with a bunch of reliable minute munchers ahead of him. I just hate the fit on this team that already has Drysdale on the right side, and all these young left D to try and bring along. Outside of Fowler, Drysdale, Vaak and whatever other young D, we need the other D in the lineup to be steady, physical, crease clearing type guys...basically the opposite of Shattenkirk.

Agreed.

Depending how the year goes, but if he has a season like the last one, then teams should be fairly interested come TDL. He has a 12 team no-trade list, but we could get a good 3rd rounder for him. Maybe even a 2nd under some circumstances?

If in right position (3rd pair, 2PP), he can bring it. Plus has the Cup experience.

 

[Leonardo87]

I just realized that the Rangers are still paying Shattenkirk's buyout for one more year. Between his inflated salary in the final year of his deal (4,950,000) and his buyout (1,433,333), dude is making some real coin this season (6,383,333).

Feels like a double hit for me, Rangers and Ducks are paying his salary for him to underachieve in Anaheim. Lol. But can’t put all the blame on him, team being in a rebuild and whatnot.

 

[bsu]

Rumors that a Kakko offer sheet of 3.5-4 mil would only cost a second round pick & Rangers have a lot of forwards..... I doubt a first time first year GM would do it but I would take that chance with all the money we have, his potential and his age matching up with our team. @Leonardo87 thoughts?

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Just what this team needs, another lackluster two-way forward

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Do any of you think the amount of D prospects and young D the Ducks have will effect Thrun/LaCombe signing ? Or that the acquisition of vaka and helleson is also helping for if neither Thrun/LaCombe sign

Varakainen, Helleson are ahead of Thrun and LaCombe in development and then there is Zellweger and Hinds who will eventually be competing with Thrun and LaCombe for a spot on the team. There is also Moore as well.
Then you have the possibility that the Ducks draft Korchinski, Bischel etc.

Thrun and LaCombe could sign with a team of their choosing that is thinner on Dmen prospects.

 

[DavidBL]

Do any of you think the amount of D prospects and young D the Ducks have will effect Thrun/LaCombe signing ? Or that the acquisition of vaka and helleson is also helping for if neither Thrun/LaCombe sign

Varakainen, Helleson are ahead of Thrun and LaCombe in development and then there is Zellweger and Hinds who will eventually be competing with Thrun and LaCombe for a spot on the team. There is also Moore as well.
Then you have the possibility that the Ducks draft Korchinski, Bischel etc.

Thrun and LaCombe could sign with a team of their choosing that is thinner on Dmen prospects.

It's a concern I've had actually. More concerned with the number of LD than the RD.

 

[Leonardo87]

Rumors that a Kakko offer sheet of 3.5-4 mil would only cost a second round pick & Rangers have a lot of forwards..... I doubt a first time first year GM would do it but I would take that chance with all the money we have, his potential and his age matching up with our team. @Leonardo87 thoughts?

Kakko still has potential no question, he is only 21 yo. He shows flashes but then disappears for games. He got hardly any PP time and more 3rd line mins. He is actually an ideal winger for Zegras. Big boy, can fore-check very well, create space, and is responsible defensively. If it only costs a 2nd round pick (Ducks have plenty of those) then why not.

I think it’s interesting that they re-signed Kravtsov right after he was healthy scratched. Probably just a coincidence but who knows. I am not sure the Rangers would be set on matching a 4 million offer-sheet, because it would really constraint the cap. Still have several players to re-sign , including the 2C spot which will cost 5-6 million easily. Would Kakko accept an offer sheet? After the demotion, taken off the PP, and then healthy scratched could be some bad blood starting to boil, so maybe, yeah.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Do any of you think the amount of D prospects and young D the Ducks have will effect Thrun/LaCombe signing ? Or that the acquisition of vaka and helleson is also helping for if neither Thrun/LaCombe sign

Varakainen, Helleson are ahead of Thrun and LaCombe in development and then there is Zellweger and Hinds who will eventually be competing with Thrun and LaCombe for a spot on the team. There is also Moore as well.
Then you have the possibility that the Ducks draft Korchinski, Bischel etc.

Thrun and LaCombe could sign with a team of their choosing that is thinner on Dmen prospects.

It's hard to answer without knowing how they view themselves. If they feel they are prospects with more development time ahead of them, they might see a logjam of similar type guys and feel they'll get more attention elsewhere.

If they are confident that they are ready to compete for NHL time, there really aren't many more wide open opportunities around the league. Depending on where one feels Drysdale is at in his development, the Ducks either have one or two established top four D. No one is blocked from anything, if they feel they can earn it.