Speculation: 2021-22 Trade Thread VI : Who's your Dadonov?

[bsu]

Chris Pronger explaining why none of these players some of you are thinking we are going to get are coming here.... Then add the fact that we are going to suck for a while....

The only way we start attracting big UFAs is if we start winning again. Even Dadonov had us in his NTC

 

[DavidBL]

Chris Pronger explaining why none of these players some of you are thinking we are going to get are coming here.... Then add the fact that we are going to suck for a while....

The only way we start attracting big UFAs is if we start winning again. Even Dadonov had us in his NTC

I guess we should just move the team because no other city deals with any of these issues. The income tax is real and yes they're going to pay more here then in some other states. It doesn't mean no one will sign here.

 

[bsu]

I guess we should just move the team because no other city deals with any of these issues. The income tax is real and yes they're going to pay more here then in some other states. It doesn't mean no one will sign here.

We will overpay for the leftovers just like we always do... That might be good news though because I think building through draft and trade is much better.

 

[DavidBL]

We will overpay for the leftovers just like we always do... That might be good news though because I think building through draft and trade is much better.

Pretty sure no one here disputes that it's better. It also means less than a mill annually to cover taxes in an overpay Vs a no tax state. Literally, if you assume 8% average like Pronger and CA is 12 for players income levels we are looking at 4% more than market. That's 200k on. 5 mill annual salary.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

I guess we should just move the team because no other city deals with any of these issues. The income tax is real and yes they're going to pay more here then in some other states. It doesn't mean no one will sign here.

The example Pronger gives as having the highest local taxes features the team that has far and away attracted the most free agents over the years, the Rangers. Taxes is becoming the newest fad in hockey for making yourself sound smart.

 

[DavidBL]

The example Pronger gives as having the highest local taxes features the team that has far and away attracted the most free agents over the years, the Rangers. Taxes is becoming the newest fad in hockey for making yourself sound smart.

Pronger also budgets 75k a year for a car. Honestly I'm not sure what he's trying to prove. It takes the average American 45 years to earn pretax what his example does AFTER all their expenses. Seems a bit out of touch.

 

[bsu]

Pronger also budgets 75k a year for a car. Honestly I'm not sure what he's trying to prove. It takes the average American 45 years to earn pretax what his example does AFTER all their expenses. Seems a bit out of touch.

I mean in general to the regular world it sounds like he's semi complaining but it's also interesting to see.

 

[Gliff]

Chris Pronger explaining why none of these players some of you are thinking we are going to get are coming here.... Then add the fact that we are going to suck for a while....

The only way we start attracting big UFAs is if we start winning again. Even Dadonov had us in his NTC

Some of that is complete bullshit, and even still this sob story is so funny to me.
You don't need to spend 75k a year on a car. You don't need to spend 5k a month on rent.

Lets take all of his numbers and use the 2 mil average and 4 year career.

After taxes/escrow/agents they are still taking home around 936k a year for 4 years. That brings their lifetime earnings to 3.74 mil TAKEHOME. It will take a person making 200k a year over 31 years to make that takehome (assuming the same 8% state income tax). And 200k a year is a lot of money.

Not even taking into account that their money could be growing in that 31 years. Its their own fault if they live like a millionaire when they need that money to last 50 years.

 

[DavidBL]

I mean in general to the regular world it sounds like he's semi complaining but it's also interesting to see.

Sure, it's interesting to see some of the other considerations players have. Just not sure why he's writing it. Seems kind of odd to just put that out there.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Sure, it's interesting to see some of the other considerations players have. Just not sure why he's writing it. Seems kind of odd to just put that out there.

He did another thread recently about some insider stuff, can't remember what it was. I don't think he's too interested in apologizing for being among a group of people who make lots of money quickly. My sense is that he's looking to build a following by sharing interesting inside baseball stories to promote whatever else it is he's doing, consulting maybe?

 

[bsu]

He did another thread recently about some insider stuff, can't remember what it was. I don't think he's too interested in apologizing for being among a group of people who make lots of money quickly. My sense is that he's looking to build a following by sharing interesting inside baseball stories to promote whatever else it is he's doing, consulting maybe?

I think he's trying to start a business about money/finances for young athletes or something.

 

[DavidBL]

I think he's trying to start a business about money/finances for young athletes or something.

That makes sense. I would think its common for young athletes to nit be educated on how to handle their finances given the sudden influx of money. Smart ones may hire planners. But I doubt all do.

 

[Kalv]

Haha no way we would had got Eichel

 

[ohcomeonref]

Haha no way we would had got Eichel

Buffalo just didn't want to trade with Anaheim if that was the ask. It's a horseshit ask.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

TJMS? The Joe Man Show?

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Haha no way we would had got Eichel

I mean, that sounds like old news. Friedman brought that up months ago

 

[Gliff]

Haha no way we would had got Eichel

Obviously this is laughable, but when you look at what they got it is even worse.

If you stack all 8 assets, the 4 they asked from the Ducks and the 4 they got, the top 3 most valuable assets would all be from the Ducks.

Zegras
Drysdale
3rd overall (McTavish)
Tuch
Krebs
ANA 2022 1st
Vegas 2022 1st
Vegas 2023 2nd

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

TJMS? The Joe Man Show?

There's a name I haven't heard in awhile. Wonder if he's still discussing whether Marcus Pettersson will ever put on enough weight to become a NHL regular

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

There's a name I haven't heard in awhile. Wonder if he's still discussing whether Marcus Pettersson will ever put on enough weight to become a NHL regular

Guaranteed that he won't, not worth discussing!

 

[MMC]

 

[Hockey Duckie]

With low expectations for this off-season being shared by our new GM, it's pointing to a longer process. From his first statements as Ducks' GM, he said the following:

"It's going to be easier," Verbeek said. "Certainly you don't have to come in there and look to take a long time. There's good players in the NHL, and there's also good players in the minors. There's also players that have been drafted. So there's lots coming to support the growth of this team. ... [A typical rebuild] takes five years. I'm hoping to shorten that, but that's kind of the reality of how long it really takes you to be a consistent, serious contender."​

So... it can take five years if things don't go right for Verbeek?

 

[Gliff]

5 years is the minimum of what we should be expecting. We are in year 4 of being bad and the current roster may be the worst one the Ducks have had in these past 4 seasons.

Having said that, this is what it is. This is the only way the Ducks will be consistent contenders. You have to get some top level talent and 95% of the time that requires high picks.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He’s such a smooth player….

Having him and terry on our wings would be amazing

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

With low expectations for this off-season being shared by our new GM, it's pointing to a longer process. From his first statements as Ducks' GM, he said the following:

"It's going to be easier," Verbeek said. "Certainly you don't have to come in there and look to take a long time. There's good players in the NHL, and there's also good players in the minors. There's also players that have been drafted. So there's lots coming to support the growth of this team. ... [A typical rebuild] takes five years. I'm hoping to shorten that, but that's kind of the reality of how long it really takes you to be a consistent, serious contender."​

So... it can take five years if things don't go right for Verbeek?

I still think he has some targets this year via trade, free agency, draft and prob shooting to be competitive in the 23/24 season

 

[DavidBL]

5 years is the minimum of what we should be expecting. We are in year 4 of being bad and the current roster may be the worst one the Ducks have had in these past 4 seasons.

Having said that, this is what it is. This is the only way the Ducks will be consistent contenders. You have to get some top level talent and 95% of the time that requires high picks.

So you're suggesting a 9 year rebuild?