Rumor: 2021-22 Trade Rumors and FA Part V: To Giroux or not to Giroux

[henchman21]

Not that I’d want to entertain Bo, but I feel he’s even more untouchable than Newhook. Baring a trade and an immediate extension I don’t see how the Avs could justify trading Newhook with all the people likely leaving this summer.

you’re likely not a betting individual but if you had to guess, what do got think Joe does at the deadline? Pure speculation of course

I think the Avs only get depth... a lower tier 3/4C who can PK, a bottom pairing RD and a 3G.

 

[Hasbro]

Ottawa is looking for a "Veteran" guy in his mid-late 20s that can potentially play a Top 6/9 role for them. And they're looking for someone who they hope could turn into a bit of a reclamation project similar to how Duclair worked out in Florida. And preferably a Right Shot.


IMO Compher fits pretty much everything they're looking for. And in a bigger role he might produce closer to a Top 6 forward as well.

If that's the case moving JTC for a ~5th rounder to Ottawa could be a crafty way for Joe to free up the space needed to get Guroux without having to dump salary to Philly as well.

Hope Dorion is still as gullible as he was four years ago.

 

[Pokecheque]

Gonna be interesting to see how this trade market shakes out. Don't know if the prices will be as insane as last season when Nick effing Foligno, who was a FA at season's end, went for a first.

I don't blame Joe for scoffing at giving up the team's best young forward prospect at present in exchange for a rental. It isn't about how good or bad Newhook projects to be, the Avs simply cannot part with a player like that in light of some major cap issues in the coming years.

But he has to do something other than just grab a washed-up 4th liner and awful 7th defenseman.

 

[Pokecheque]

I think the Avs only get depth... a lower tier 3/4C who can PK, a bottom pairing RD and a 3G.

As long as he gets legit players and not guys who will be out of the goddamned league after the season, I'm okay with that.

 

[henchman21]

As long as he gets legit players and not guys who will be out of the goddamned league after the season, I'm okay with that.

I won't be... this is the last very clear season, the chips need to be in the middle... even if the cost is uncomfortable.

 

[Pokecheque]

I won't be... this is the last very clear season, the chips need to be in the middle... even if the cost is uncomfortable.

Fair. I've got the bar low though...just...don't get any players who actually make the team WORSE.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don't think Philadelphia is going to get a young player/prospect of Newhook's caliber for Giroux.

Whether it's the Avalanche or someone else, any team that's willing to part with a young talent like that will sooner trade for JT Miller, IMO.

If they're trading Newhook, it's better if it's for Hertl. This way you're not overpaying for the extra year. Miller doesn't have a NMC. Any top tier target that has a NMC and consents to be traded to Colorado, is also likely giving indication that they might also sign in Colorado. This doesn't exist with Miller. Miller is similar to Kadri only younger. He's been underpaid and he'll want to cash in.

 

[The Abusement Park]

If they're trading Newhook, it's better if it's for Hertl. This way you're not overpaying for the extra year. Miller doesn't have a NMC. Any top tier target that has a NMC and consents to be traded to Colorado, is also likely giving indication that they might also sign in Colorado. This doesn't exist with Miller. Miller is similar to Kadri only younger. He's been underpaid and he'll want to cash in.

If you’re trading Newhook the dude better have some solid term. Hertl doesn’t make any less sense than Giroux.

 

[Balthazar]

Even Dater agrees

 

[John Mandalorian]

If you’re trading Newhook the dude better have some solid term. Hertl doesn’t make any less sense than Giroux.

How old is Hertl? Effectively, you'd be replacing a future Newhook with a present Newhook. In an ideal world, Newhook develops into a productive top 6 center. He'd be less costly. But committing to that path has risk. If you trade for Hertl, that means he's consenting to the trade. So it would be a pretty strong indication he would sign here. Then we'd at least have the 2C somewhat solidified this summer as opposed to kicking that can down the road with Miller.

 

[shadow1]

If they're trading Newhook, it's better if it's for Hertl. This way you're not overpaying for the extra year. Miller doesn't have a NMC. Any top tier target that has a NMC and consents to be traded to Colorado, is also likely giving indication that they might also sign in Colorado. This doesn't exist with Miller. Miller is similar to Kadri only younger. He's been underpaid and he'll want to cash in.

I'm not advocating for JT Miller/trading Newhook.

I'm just saying that within context of trading for Giroux, Miller is younger, has term left on his deal, and has been close to a PPG player three years running. By comparison, Giroux has been a 60ish point guy for three years in a row, is 34, and is a UFA.

I think the Flyers will still get a big package for Giroux, but I don't think they're going to land a player like Newhook.

 

[Avsboy]

Helleson, Compher, 23' 1st (Top 10 protected) is a pretty good package

 

[nammerus]

How old is Hertl? Effectively, you'd be replacing a future Newhook with a present Newhook. In an ideal world, Newhook develops into a productive top 6 center. He'd be less costly. But committing to that path has risk. If you trade for Hertl, that means he's consenting to the trade. So it would be a pretty strong indication he would sign here. Then we'd at least have the 2C somewhat solidified this summer as opposed to kicking that can down the road with Miller.

Hertl is 28.

And I think the likelyhood of Newhook ever being anywhere near as good as Hertl is very low.

 

[henchman21]

The issue with Hertl (or any UFA) is simply the next two seasons. He's getting an 8+m contract for 6-7 years and the Avs likely can't afford that without some drastic changes over the next two seasons.

 

[5 14 6 1]

I keep hearing chatter of Fleury to the Avs. What is the idea there? How has Kuemper been so far?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I keep hearing chatter of Fleury to the Avs. What is the idea there? How has Kuemper been so far?

Better than Fleury

 

[John Mandalorian]

The issue with Hertl (or any UFA) is simply the next two seasons. He's getting an 8+m contract for 6-7 years and the Avs likely can't afford that without some drastic changes over the next two seasons.

Well, is it better to replace Miller the year that MacKinnon comes up for a contract? We saw how well it went last year when JS had to juggle both Landeskog and Grubauer.

 

[The Abusement Park]

How old is Hertl? Effectively, you'd be replacing a future Newhook with a present Newhook. In an ideal world, Newhook develops into a productive top 6 center. He'd be less costly. But committing to that path has risk. If you trade for Hertl, that means he's consenting to the trade. So it would be a pretty strong indication he would sign here. Then we'd at least have the 2C somewhat solidified this summer as opposed to kicking that can down the road with Miller.

There’s a lot of factors here.
1) does he still want out now that Kanes gone? That want seems to have lessened now.

2) is he available?

3) even if we do trade for him, he’s a UFA so there’s a flight risk.

4) We do re sign him, but it’s going to cost 7 mil, probably even over 8 and that would mess up the cap situation even more than it already will be.

I would like Hertl but it’s just not feasible I don’t think with everything that needs to be sorted out this off-season.

 

[John Mandalorian]

There’s a lot of factors here.
1) does he still want out now that Kanes gone? That want seems to have lessened now.

2) is he available?

3) even if we do trade for him, he’s a UFA so there’s a flight risk.

4) We do re sign him, but it’s going to cost 7 mil could be even closer to 8 and that would mess up the cap situation even more than it already will be.

I would like Hertl but it’s just not feasible I don’t think with everything that needs to be sorted out this off-season.

1 & 2 are totall valid. My premise is if he's available. And the point about money being freed up from losing Kane is fair. They do have a lot of bloated contracts on that roster though. He might see a low ceiling there.

3. I believe he can choose 3 teams. So if we're one of the 3, it's a good sign.

4. I ask you, how much do you think we can afford to spend on the 2nd line in total? If it's 7 or 8, I don't think it's so horrible. At least the money would be spent on a quality 2C. I'm also not under the pretense that they expect to sign Kadri or Burakovsky. Nichushkin, probably/maybe.

 

[henchman21]

Well, is it better to replace Miller the year that MacKinnon comes up for a contract? We saw how well it went last year when JS had to juggle both Landeskog and Grubauer.

There is likely to be a step back at that point anyway... seems like the prime time to me. Give the best chance over the next two years worry about year 3 after you hopefully win a couple Cups... ala Tampa.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Even Dater agrees

Was fine with the first tweet but dater is out to lunch if he thinks Compher/Barron and a 1st is too much for a rental. That’s about the going rate for a rental. I’d be fine with Barron/Helleson + JTC (for cap) + 1st for Giroux retained

 

[AvsCOL]

Was fine with the first tweet but dater is out to lunch if he thinks Compher/Barron and a 1st is too much for a rental. That’s about the going rate for a rental. I’d be fine with Barron/Helleson + JTC (for cap) + 1st for Giroux retained

Dater knows nothing. Wasn’t long ago he said Giroux to the Avs isn’t happening. He also said MacKinnon is playing Thursday night against Tampa, then deleted the tweet.

He’s a complete hack at this point. Eklund level

 

[willy702]

Ottawa is looking for a "Veteran" guy in his mid-late 20s that can potentially play a Top 6/9 role for them. And they're looking for someone who they hope could turn into a bit of a reclamation project similar to how Duclair worked out in Florida. And preferably a Right Shot.

Uh, hello. We just happen to have the guy for you...

Kurtis MacDermid Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

 

[Gruyeriev]

Since Chris McFarland is really in charge I think we try to hit up The Blue Jackets. Maybe Brendan Gaunce and Andrew Peeke. I won’t even try to guess what is going the other way. Just shore up the depth. I doubt they want to give up any roster players. Though to make salary work they probably have to.

 

[Gruyeriev]

Uh, hello. We just happen to have the guy for you...

Kurtis MacDermid Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

I wonder what they would give up to get Shane Bowers back?