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Rumor: 2021-22 Trade Rumors and FA Part V: To Giroux or not to Giroux

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AvsGuy said:
Can't help but feel like half the reason for acquiring a Giroux/Pavelski/Hertl at the deadline is to keep them out of enemy hands

Our offense is already more than good enough
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Our bottom 6 scoring will be basically nil in the PO’s with the current personnel. Although I’m sure Sakic is still deluded enough to think JTC can repeat his 2019 PO fluke.
 
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nammerus said:
Our bottom 6 scoring will be basically nil in the PO’s with the current personnel. Although I’m sure Sakic is still deluded enough to think JTC can repeat his 2019 PO fluke.
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The benefit of adding a guy like Giroux is that you can bump down one of Bura/Nuke and strengthen the bottom-6 there.

If we are going for a more offensive approach for the top-6

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Giroux-Kadri-Burakovsky
Nuke-Newhook-LOC
Jost-JTC-NAK

Looks a lot more competitive, and gives the Avs a truly dangerous 2nd line that you have to pay attention to.
 
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I think we can land Crouse and Kessel for a reasonable price. This adds a veteran scorer and a solid two way forward that we can retain. It tremendously improves our depth and gives us much better depth.

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Crouse
Kessel (50%)

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Barron
Compher
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2023 second

Landy-MacK-Rantanen
Nuke-Kadri-Burakovsky
Crouse-Newhook-Kessel
NAK-Jost-LOC

I think adding a veteran defensive oriented 4C would also do wonders for this team, but not sure who we would target there.
 
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The Abusement Park said:
I’d say last year and this year we’re the two best chances.
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Yup next year is going to be really difficult to maintain a 2nd and 3rd line... and then there is the situation in net too. This is why I really wouldn't mind grabbing a guy like JT Miller with retention... cheap and can maintain some depth in the middle 6 when we lost 1/3-1/2 of it this summer.
 
Just one comment about Nemeth...

At the time of the trade, he seemed like a solid mid-level acquisition, akin to trading for Namestikov the year before. The reception to the trade on this board was somewhere between lukewarm-positive.

Obviously he was a complete disaster and it was a huge failure by pro scouting. But it's worth pointing out Nemeth's change in perception pre trade vs. post trade. There's a lot of chatter on this board about Justin Braun. Braun seems like a solid pick up but you never know; sometimes things don't work out.

Sakic definitely needs to go all in at the deadline (Giroux-level player). But he's at least shown the last two years that he's at least going to add a perceived-to-be (in Nemeth's case) decent mid-level depth player.
 
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henchman24 said:
Yup next year is going to be really difficult to maintain a 2nd and 3rd line... and then there is the situation in net too. This is why I really wouldn't mind grabbing a guy like JT Miller with retention... cheap and can maintain some depth in the middle 6 when we lost 1/3-1/2 of it this summer.
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Don’t forget we need to sign a starting and backup goalie lol.
 
Richard88 said:
I'd like to hear why @Pierce Hawthorne thinks Ottawa would have interest in JTC, as per his post in the last thread. Is it to get to the cap floor, or why?
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Ottawa is looking for a "Veteran" guy in his mid-late 20s that can potentially play a Top 6/9 role for them. And they're looking for someone who they hope could turn into a bit of a reclamation project similar to how Duclair worked out in Florida. And preferably a Right Shot.


IMO Compher fits pretty much everything they're looking for. And in a bigger role he might produce closer to a Top 6 forward as well.

If that's the case moving JTC for a ~5th rounder to Ottawa could be a crafty way for Joe to free up the space needed to get Guroux without having to dump salary to Philly as well.
 
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Really would like to end up with Giroux for the playoffs. It would be even better if we could sign him for a few years but I unfortunately think he might resign for cheap to finish in Philly.

That said I also hate the idea of parting with Barron and Helleson while we have no idea on Byram's future for one playoff run with Giroux. Yes, I get you have to give something up to get something and if we knew how Byram was doing that would be easier. Obviously, Joe should know but maybe he doesn't even know if they are taking a hands-off approach to let him recover at his own pace both physically and mentally.
 
cccoltsicehockey said:
Really would like to end up with Giroux for the playoffs. It would be even better if we could sign him for a few years but I unfortunately think he might resign for cheap to finish in Philly.

That said I also hate the idea of parting with Barron and Helleson while we have no idea on Byram's future for one playoff run with Giroux. Yes, I get you have to give something up to get something and if we knew how Byram was doing that would be easier. Obviously, Joe should know but maybe he doesn't even know if they are taking a hands-off approach to let him recover at his own pace both physically and mentally.
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I think a smart way to approach it is expect the worst and hope for the best. It would be silly to assume Bo is going to come back and not have a tough road ahead. He may be fine after this break but it’s so up in the air. He’s so incredibly young to have to deal with all of this. I’m nervous for him and his hockey career. I just look at it as he’s not going to be back… if he ends up coming back and playing well. Super bonus.
 
Bill Peckerskull said:
Kinda feels like Philly is adamant on Newhook, and Joe isn't gonna go there; and someone else, with more organizational depth, will go there and land Giroux. Basically the same shit that's happened the last 3 TDLs
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Perhaps. But I dont think Joe can or should cough up Newhook either.

If that's what Philly is demanding, Sakic would be in the right to step away from the deal as Newhook is just far too important to be moving for a pure rental.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Perhaps. But I dont think Joe can or should cough up Newhook either.

If that's what Philly is demanding, Sakic would be in the right to step away from the deal as Newhook is just far too important to be moving for a pure rental.
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Oh, I totally agree with you. I think the only top prospect they could part with would be one of Barron or Helleson. I just meant that it's starting to feel like the Giroux thing will fall through. Would be 3rd deadline in a row where the Avs are rumored early to be after someone, and then they get outbid for that player in the end.
 
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henchman24 said:
Sakic is in a bit of a tough spot here. Clearly this is the last run with Kadri as an Av... likely Burkie too. The situation in net isn't clear either going forward. This is as clear of a win now season as you can get, but asset wise, Avs lack to the two easiest value pieces in their 1st and 2nd this year to trade. The 1st (and props to AJ and Morgan here) is now listed as conditional on Cap Friendly which means even trading the 2023 1st gets complicated as it is conditional. Now we know it practice the conditions are unlikely to be had, but that uncertainty adds up. Prospects over the past two drafts are not pieces that would typically be the key piece in a big deal. The pieces that the Avs have that would normally be a part are Newhook and Byram. Both of those pieces are pretty critical to making next year as competitive as possible.

TLDR If Sakic can pull a big move while keeping both Byram and Newhook, he'll deserve a lot of credit.
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Not that I’d want to entertain Bo, but I feel he’s even more untouchable than Newhook. Baring a trade and an immediate extension I don’t see how the Avs could justify trading Newhook with all the people likely leaving this summer.

you’re likely not a betting individual but if you had to guess, what do got think Joe does at the deadline? Pure speculation of course
 
I'm going to put money down that we get blue-balled again and the Mild see their cap situation the next few years and go for broke this year landing Giroux and another big fish and beat us in the second round :sarcasm:
 
Bill Peckerskull said:
Kinda feels like Philly is adamant on Newhook, and Joe isn't gonna go there; and someone else, with more organizational depth, will go there and land Giroux. Basically the same shit that's happened the last 3 TDLs
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Fletcher has already said they'll try to accommodate Giroux - publicly he said this. Newhook is a pretty big demand for "accommodating Giroux". I think this might just be some fan initiating the same discussion you see here.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Ottawa is looking for a "Veteran" guy in his mid-late 20s that can potentially play a Top 6/9 role for them. And they're looking for someone who they hope could turn into a bit of a reclamation project similar to how Duclair worked out in Florida. And preferably a Right Shot.


IMO Compher fits pretty much everything they're looking for. And in a bigger role he might produce closer to a Top 6 forward as well.

If that's the case moving JTC for a ~5th rounder to Ottawa could be a crafty way for Joe to free up the space needed to get Guroux without having to dump salary to Philly as well.
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Do you have an article/source for this? I would add a 5th for Ottawa to take JTC (if that’s all it took)
 
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