GDT: 2021-22 season game 25 LA Kings vs Dallas Stars @7:30 12/9/21

[bland]

Roy's had three bad periods this year and now his contract was a "mistake"?

I love JAD, but his game last night wasn't anywhere near what Lizotte has been offering, but Lizotte should sit for him?

Never understood why fans are so quick to dismiss role players.

 

[johnjm22]

Kempe is currently at a 36 goal pace. I don't think he'll get there, but 25+ goals would be great.

Good things happen when you hold onto your 1st round picks.

For the past few weeks Kaliyev has been getting looks every game. Finally he buries one. More goals are on the way.

I think the positives of Durzi in the lineup far out way the negatives. The Kings are one of the best ES defensive teams in the league, they can afford to absorb Durzi's defensive play in exchange for what he bring offensively.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Kempe is currently at a 36 goal pace. I don't think he'll get there, but 25+ goals would be great.

Good things happen when you hold onto your 1st round picks.

For the past few weeks Kaliyev has been getting looks every game. Finally he buries one. More goals are on the way.

I think the positives of Durzi in the lineup far out way the negatives. The Kings are one of the best ES defensive teams in the league, they can afford to absorb Durzi's defensive play in exchange for what he bring offensively.

The thing with Kempe is even though he is hot and cold as far as scoring is concerned, he is incredible at driving the play and entering the O zone. He always has energy and drive.

 

[Schmooley]

Roy's had three bad periods this year and now his contract was a "mistake"?

I love JAD, but his game last night wasn't anywhere near what Lizotte has been offering, but Lizotte should sit for him?

Never understood why fans are so quick to dismiss role players.

Yea I think Roy has been just ok to downright bad some nights since returning from injury last year.

 

[johnjm22]

Roy's had three bad periods this year and now his contract was a "mistake"?

I love JAD, but his game last night wasn't anywhere near what Lizotte has been offering, but Lizotte should sit for him?

Never understood why fans are so quick to dismiss role players.

Lizotte has become a very good 4th line center. People want JAD in the lineup over him because he's a 2nd round pick and perceived as having more upside.

When Byfield is healthy I assume he'll get the 3rd line center spot. So where are guys like JAD/Turcotte supposed to play? Are we gonna make them wingers?

Lizotte is only 23 and gets better every year. Byfield/Danault/Kopitar can't really be displaced.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yea I think Roy has been just ok to downright bad some nights since returning from injury last year.

Some of his mistakes lately have been very visible and his consistency is off, that's for sure--yet for his role he's been, not counting DD of course, our all-around best, most reliable d-man all year. His biggest issue is he's NOT Drew but was relied upon to be so. Still a very good #2-#3 guy shouldering more responsibility than he should, a Chris Tanev guy, and shouldn't be on the PP (which is where I noticed people whipping him a bit more).

 

[johnjm22]

The thing with Kempe is even though he is hot and cold as far as scoring is concerned, he is incredible at driving the play and entering the O zone. He always has energy and drive.

His speed has also come in very handy on the back check. many times.

If he can round out a few more elements of his game, he'll be a very good player.

 

[tbrown33]

Some of his mistakes lately have been very visible and his consistency is off, that's for sure--yet for his role he's been, not counting DD of course, our all-around best, most reliable d-man all year.

I don't know, I think Edler has been that guy personally.

 

[Schmooley]

Some of his mistakes lately have been very visible and his consistency is off, that's for sure--yet for his role he's been, not counting DD of course, our all-around best, most reliable d-man all year. His biggest issue is he's NOT Drew but was relied upon to be so. Still a very good #2-#3 guy shouldering more responsibility than he should, a Chris Tanev guy, and shouldn't be on the PP (which is where I noticed people whipping him a bit more).

Yea maybe Im being too hard on him. He just showed a lot of poise and played nearly mistake free before the injury. He isnt throwing those hits anymore and is coughing up pucks in his own zone a lot now. Misses coverages here and there also.
He is not a useless player like Maatta or anything. But with Doughty here long term, Durzi bringing a much needed element, and Clarke,Faber,Spence,Grans coming up they are deep on the right side.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't know, I think Edler has been that guy personally.

Lately, absolutely.

For the whole year, he's up there with Roy, but just behind him.

I'm speaking specifically from metrics as well as role here, Edler never had to masquerade as a #1.

It's not by a large amount or anything, I think every dman we has has mostly risen to the occasion as well as they can, but I notice this forum exalting Edler and beating down Roy and the biggest difference between the two has been handedness and a couple of really visible Roy mistakes lately.

 

[cyclones22]

Lately, absolutely.

For the whole year, he's up there with Roy, but just behind him.

I'm speaking specifically from metrics as well as role here, Edler never had to masquerade as a #1.

It's not by a large amount or anything, I think every dman we has has mostly risen to the occasion as well as they can, but I notice this forum exalting Edler and beating down Roy and the biggest difference between the two has been handedness and a couple of really visible Roy mistakes lately.

I've been hard on Roy too this season. But you're right, if you put him in a position he's not qualified for, he's not going to look good doing it. How many times did the Kings try and make Martinez a top pairing or even a #3 defenseman while he was here? He NEVER looked good with that type of responsibility in LA. Marty was an elite 3rd pairing defenseman in LA. Hell, even though he racks up points for Vegas, his on-ice metrics aren't great surrounded by a good team.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Bless Edler though, what a great signing. Didn't think he'd have this much game left.

 

[lumbergh]

There's no flashiness to what Matt Roy is, but he's been quietly very effective all season. He's been one of the Kings best defensemen by almost every metric (other than power play). Some might be expecting too much out of a mid-pairing D.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Bless Edler though, what a great signing. Didn't think he'd have this much game left.

Agree, and will say that I think all the off-season acquisitions (Arvidsson, Daneult) have been solid. I love to shit on Blake, but he did a really good job here.

 

[kingsfan28]

I think the positives of Durzi in the lineup far out way the negatives. The Kings are one of the best ES defensive teams in the league, they can afford to absorb Durzi's defensive play in exchange for what he bring offensively.

Yep. He's has his moments, but he's gotten better, which means he's learning. Right now he's the best puck handling dman we got on the pp and by far the quickest shot on the team. It's on his stick, then either on net or he's moving it to some who's open. No time is wasted.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The thing I really like about Durzi, mistakes and all, is that he's aggressive. If he makes a mistake, its' not often that he's standing there looking around, it's because he's actively hitting someone or trying to make something happen.

He misses assignments quite frequently on D and it's really, really obvious yet, I can't even get mad, because I see him just mark someone and say 'that's my guy' regardless which at least lets his partner fill in the gap, and luckily both Bjornfot and Edler are HIGH IQ and can see it coming a bit.

 

[King'sPawn]

The thing I really like about Durzi, mistakes and all, is that he's aggressive. If he makes a mistake, its' not often that he's standing there looking around, it's because he's actively hitting someone or trying to make something happen.

He misses assignments quite frequently on D and it's really, really obvious yet, I can't even get mad, because I see him just mark someone and say 'that's my guy' regardless which at least lets his partner fill in the gap, and luckily both Bjornfot and Edler are HIGH IQ and can see it coming a bit.

That was my biggest issue with Clague. Clague did elevate his game at the NHL level, but he still showed times where he was playing as if he's afraid to make a mistake.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That was my biggest issue with Clague. Clague did elevate his game at the NHL level, but he still showed times where he was playing as if he's afraid to make a mistake.

I remember you saying that and can definitely see it. As much as I love Clague he played a bit more tentatively, which I have theories on that don't matter anymore. For better or worse, Durzi is decisive.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I remember you saying that and can definitely see it. As much as I love Clague he played a bit more tentatively, which I have theories on that don't matter anymore. For better or worse, Durzi is decisive.

I agree here and with KP. I think Durzi has a lot of confidence and looks unfazed at all times....few seem to show that, in their first 5-10 games in the NHL.
Not talking about the ability to step in and be a factor, but just seem to have confidence and no hesitation in doing anything. He reacts fast, it will be good to
see him read faster in the neutral and D zone.

It's crazy that I want to see him with the puck on the PP, more than any other King. It just feels like there will be a scoring chance about to happen. Good shot
and making those shot-passes.

Someone said he can be Chelios lite. I can almost see that, if he keeps taking the level of steps he's taken in 1 year and keeps progressing. Although Chelios could
be nasty.

 

[BigKing]

Lizotte has become a very good 4th line center. People want JAD in the lineup over him because he's a 2nd round pick and perceived as having more upside.

When Byfield is healthy I assume he'll get the 3rd line center spot. So where are guys like JAD/Turcotte supposed to play? Are we gonna make them wingers?

Lizotte is only 23 and gets better every year. Byfield/Danault/Kopitar can't really be displaced.

Not arguing against him, but Lizotte does not get better every year. He and Moore trade off being effective. This is the Lizotte year.

He's much better this season than last.

 

[Eagle Fang]

That was my biggest issue with Clague. Clague did elevate his game at the NHL level, but he still showed times where he was playing as if he's afraid to make a mistake.

Probably in part why they waived him along with them seeing Jordan Spence as a similar but better upside equivalent.