Salary Cap: 2021/22 Season 81.5M AAV CAP Leafs

[Mr Hockey]

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whats this about?

 

[4thline]

How do you know a trade won't tank the team and set it off the rails instead? There is every possibility that might happen too.

Add to this team - don't fix what isn't broken. Aside from the 1 and 6 stretch when their only healthy goalie was their 4th stringer when camp broke (and Matthews and Muzzin both injured) they are 23-4-3 - which is a 134 point pace over 82 games.

Leaf fans really need to smarten up and stop creating problems where there are none.

I don't, but it's only a course of action you pursue if they fail to get it done in this post season. There comes a point where you look at the mix. Every one of those teams had to weigh that risk and it worked out. The Neal and Kessel examples are pretty spot on situationally for where we'd be with Nylander (complementary high end offensive winger that's not trusted in all situations) And if we play our cards right we get a (better) Hornqvist PLUS the futures haul that helps keep us going strong for a decade.

 

[Stephen]

I think up to half of Andersen's cat hit can be given to Hyman on a raise, then you bring in a platoon option to work with Campbell. Bogosian can come back at a similar cap hit. Dermott could come back at a similar cap hit if he survives the expansion draft, and Simmonds can come back but he would have to take league minimum. Unfortunately, Thornton won't be back. Spezza will be back and I'd even bump him up to Simmonds money. Kerfoot might be an obvious cap casualty, and I would probably start monitoring Muzzin for signs of decline.

Next group of reclamation projects I might be looking at could be Sam Bennett, maybe Alex Nylander for a skill injection and Max Domi once his current deal runs out. Goalies that would interest me would be Korpisalo, Drieger, maybe Georgiev. And of course, Tony DeAngelo. Just kidding. No Tony DeAngelo.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

How do so many people still misspell Andersen. he's been here for like 5 years. wheres the o?

 

[zeke]

whats this about?

Is that a trick question?

 

[Mr Hockey]

Is that a trick question?

sorry i made a mistake, I thought this was in another thread zeke

 

[frizzer1]

This years d corp is much better but I think that people overestimate the talent level up front.
Nylander is really the only highly talented forward after M and M.
And hyman of course is in his own category.
Beyond that there is not much there so I don’t think they will trade willy.

 

[Gallagbi]

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We'll need spares, but maybe I'm just missing them.

Side note - For all the (debatable) comments about our forward contracts, we have a solid top 4 on D locked up for pretty stellar deals.

 

[Menzinger]

It will be 5x5, 4x5.5 in that ballpark. It will be an easy signing

I think they will end up going longer (like 6 or 7 years) as a compromise to lower the caphit

 

[Menzinger]

I don't, but it's only a course of action you pursue if they fail to get it done in this post season. There comes a point where you look at the mix. Every one of those teams had to weigh that risk and it worked out. The Neal and Kessel examples are pretty spot on situationally for where we'd be with Nylander (complementary high end offensive winger that's not trusted in all situations) And if we play our cards right we get a (better) Hornqvist PLUS the futures haul that helps keep us going strong for a decade.

This seems more like making a move for the sake of making a move though.

The team gets older and likely less skilled without a clear rational other than seemingly get rid of Nylander.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Saad/Schwartz + Nylander trade return >> Nylander

Agreed, there are diminishing returns to having two RWs that require the same role to maximize their value. Better to diversify our roster and get more value for our dollar. 7 million for ~16 minutes per night isn't a good investment.

 

[Big Muddy]

Only allowed 19 in an emergency basis.

OK. I was just counting the players on that proposed CapFriendly salary chart that we were both looking at (there were 19 players on that roster).

 

[4thline]

This seems more like making a move for the sake of making a move though.

The team gets older and likely less skilled without a clear rational other than seemingly get rid of Nylander.

The clear rationale is a deeper and more versatile F group *now* while while setting us up for long term success with high end young talent. Schwarts/Saad are pretty much the midpoint between Nylander and Hyman, while being natural LW's. Everyone wishes we had more Hyman's. You can't say "likely less skilled" without addressing "definitely heavier and better defensively."

 

[Menzinger]

The clear rationale is a deeper and more versatile F group *now* while while setting us up for long term success with high end young talent. Schwarts/Saad are pretty much the midpoint between Nylander and Hyman, while being natural LW's. Everyone wishes we had more Hyman's. You can't say "likely less skilled" without addressing "definitely heavier and better defensively."

I think you may be underestimating what some of these older guys will cost in free agency and over overestimating the quality of players you can cover with 7 million if you want to get multiple of them for more depth

For example I don't think this is currently a better Leafs team if they had kept Kap and AJ who carry close to the caphit as Nylander

 

[4thline]

I think you may be underestimating what some of these older guys will cost in free agency and over overestimating the quality of players you can cover with 7 million if you want to get multiple of them for more depth

For example I don't think this is currently a better Leafs team if they had kept Kap and AJ who carry close to the caphit as Nylander

Moving edit to the reply

That's before getting into the "S" winger likely coming with more term and lower cap than Nylander.

I'm ballparking 6 for Saad/Schwartz, 3.5 for Iafallo/Granlund/Janmark/Laughton etc

Aggregating the moves, it would be like Nylander + Galch for Saad + Iafallo + two of Amirov/Sandin/Liljgren/Robertson + 1 of Hallander/Niemela/Hirvonen

You say no to that?

 

[Menzinger]

Moving edit to the reply

That's before getting into the "S" winger likely coming with more term and lower cap than Nylander.

I'm ballparking 6 for Saad/Schwartz, 3.5 for Iafallo/Granlund/Janmark/Laughton etc

Aggregating the moves, it would be like Nylander + Galch for Saad + Iafallo + two of Amirov/Sandin/Liljgren/Robertson + 1 of Hallander/Niemela/Hirvonen

You say no to that?

If youre paying up to 6 for the winger (which may still be a low estimate on their actual cost) I don't see how capwise the team is fitting in that 3.5 mil other player.

Even moving out Gally as well that's less than 8 mil in cap.

And again, the bulk of that free agency signing contract would take place in their 30s

 

[4thline]

If youre paying up to 6 for the winger (which may still be a low estimate on their actual cost) I don't see how capwise the team is fitting in that 3.5 mil other player.

Even moving out Gally as well that's less than 8 mil in cap.

Andersen replaced with a platoon guy (Rittich/Driedger), Kerfoot repaced with a Haula type at 2m. It's in my original post.

 

[Menzinger]

Andersen replaced with a platoon guy (Rittich/Driedger), Kerfoot repaced with a Haula type at 2m. It's in my original post.

The thing is, you can do most of these depth moves without trading Nylander so you can fit in an older, lesser ufa at 90% of his cost. Move out Kerfoot via trade or expansion plus savings from Andersen gives Dubas' some room to get creative.

Your plan is essentially trading Nylander to save literally less than 1 million in actual cap space I just don't see this making much sense.

 

[Leaftors]

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If you had the choice, who would you be looking to acquire at that 3rd C position?

 

[4thline]

The thing is, you can do most of these depth moves without trading Nylander so you can fit in an older, lesser ufa at 90% of his cost. Move out Kerfoot via trade or expansion plus savings from Andersen gives Dubas' some room to get creative.

Your plan is essentially trading Nylander to save literally less than 1 million in actual cap space I just don't see this making much sense.

That's because the cap aspect is really quite secondary, the primary benefit is making a better two way top 6 group plus a Willy's trade haul.
Let's say all things equal, without moving Nylander we can get that ~3.5m LW plus a solid replacement 3C. So the bottom 6 is the same. And that Robertson is going to be in the top 6. Hell, make the contracts perfectly equal, 7m by 3.

I take
Saad/Schwartz-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Hyman
over
Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander

I just like it better stylistically for the playoffs, it's better defensively, and let's us get the most out of Hyman and JT.

Then factor in the considerable Willy trade return.

 

[Leaftors]

That's because the cap aspect is really quite secondary, the primary benefit is making a better two way top 6 group plus a Willy's trade haul.
Let's say all things equal, without moving Nylander we can get that ~3.5m LW plus a solid replacement 3C. So the bottom 6 is the same. And that Robertson is going to be in the top 6. Hell, make the contracts perfectly equal, 7m by 3.

I take
Saad/Schwartz-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Hyman
over
Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander

I just like it better stylistically for the playoffs, it's better defensively, and let's us get the most out of Hyman and JT.

Then factor in the considerable Willy trade return.

I disagree completely.

 

[4thline]

I disagree completely.

That's fair. But I doubt it's to the tune of Amirov+Sandin+ Robertson/Hirvonen/Niemela/Hallander

But IMO Tavares+Hyman is the most obvious C-W combo on the team outside of M&M. Their games go together like lamb and tuna fish

 

[Menzinger]

That's because the cap aspect is really quite secondary, the primary benefit is making a better two way top 6 group plus a Willy's trade haul.
Let's say all things equal, without moving Nylander we can get that ~3.5m LW plus a solid replacement 3C. So the bottom 6 is the same. And that Robertson is going to be in the top 6. Hell, make the contracts perfectly equal, 7m by 3.

I take
Saad/Schwartz-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Hyman
over
Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander

I just like it better stylistically for the playoffs, it's better defensively, and let's us get the most out of Hyman and JT.

Then factor in the considerable Willy trade return.

fair enough. But I don't think that makes the Leafs a better team. Nylander imo is a better player than either of those guys moving forward

 

[Leaftors]

That's fair. But I doubt it's to the tune of Amirov+Sandin+ Robertson/Hirvonen/Niemela/Hallander

But IMO Tavares+Hyman is the most obvious C-W combo on the team outside of M&M. Their games go together like lamb and tuna fish

where are you getting that we need a better two way top 6? We’ve been excellent with keeping the puck out of the net this year. Tavares and Nylander are both producing. We need an upgrade at 3c and depth d and that’s really it

 

[4thline]

where are you getting that we need a better two way top 6? We’ve been excellent with keeping the puck out of the net this year. Tavares and Nylander are both producing. We need an upgrade at 3c and depth d and that’s really it

This thread is about next season, and the premise of any major change is that this group as built doesn't get it done in the post season. Obviously the hope is that they do.