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Ziggy Stardust said:
I can see Blake trying to find another Pacioretty type of trade, which they almost pulled off at the 2018 draft had Max been willing to sign an extension with the Kings.
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Max was low balled, and fired his agent for looking out for Luc and not him. It was a 6 year 6 million aav. He makes 7 million aav with the VGK, and with Nevada’s no income tax, Max did very well.
 
Yog S'loth said:
What's funny is just how dramatically superior those types of signings all work out compared to the long-term deals.

I'd easily take and of those "bridge" players over the brain-smashing disasters 98% of big budget long-term deals turn out to be.
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Under the radar players like Matt Calvert, Armia, McGinn can help a rebuild. I am all for it if we can suppliment the roster with a few top end guys as well.
 
DryIslandBartender said:
I’d be for Eichel at a certain price tag, and then try to recoup some lost assets by trading Kopitar. Sets up Byfield/Eichel for the next decade, not all that dissimilar from Crosby/Malkin.
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Soon to be 34, still 3 years left, $10m cap hit, essentially a NMC since it's probably easy to pick 7 teams that can't trade for you. That's not who you trade to recoup assets sent away for Eichel. Not to mention, if you're making a huge move, it's to help be competitive with Kopitar.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
Soon to be 34, still 3 years left, $10m cap hit, essentially a NMC since it's probably easy to pick 7 teams that can't trade for you. That's not who you trade to recoup assets sent away for Eichel. Not to mention, if you're making a huge move, it's to help be competitive with Kopitar.
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Right. Plus, the point that the Byfield ELC expires (assuming he plays 21-22) is the same as the Kopitar deal, so if we're lucky and he becomes a star, it's not like they won't be able to pay him.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Soon to be 34, still 3 years left, $10m cap hit, essentially a NMC since it's probably easy to pick 7 teams that can't trade for you. That's not who you trade to recoup assets sent away for Eichel. Not to mention, if you're making a huge move, it's to help be competitive with Kopitar.
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Kings can retain salary and move Kopitar. The point of moving on from Kopitar is to collect assets lost in a hypothetical Eichel trade AND make room for Byfield. The Kings won’t get everything they lose in an Eichel trade.

It’s asinine to me to have Kopitar, Eichel and Byfield down the line, and putting Byfield with a bunch of bums that belong on the third/fourth line. Total asset mismanagement and player development disaster waiting to happen.

Otherwise, I don’t see the point of an Eichel trade.
 
DryIslandBartender said:
Kings can retain salary and move Kopitar. The point of moving on from Kopitar is to collect assets lost in a hypothetical Eichel trade AND make room for Byfield. The Kings won’t get everything they lose in an Eichel trade.

It’s asinine to me to have Kopitar, Eichel and Byfield down the line, and putting Byfield with a bunch of bums that belong on the third/fourth line. Total asset mismanagement and player development disaster waiting to happen.

Otherwise, I don’t see the point of an Eichel trade.
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Assuming Byfield doesn't go to Buffalo, and you have those 3, you put Kopitar in the heavy defensive minutes role. He's better offensively when not deferring to any wingers, as we saw in 17-18, so you can put Kopitar with anyone. He'll be fine. He won't complain. At least publicly. He'll go out there and do his job. It decreases Kopitar's minutes, which should've been happening these last few years anyway. The Kings have yet to replace Stoll. They have yet to replace Fraser at C. I'll make Eichel/Byfield/Kopitar work.

You're not getting any real assets for Kopitar. That time is long gone. The best you're doing is just getting rid of 50% of the contract, but you'd probably have to take a contract back, which sort of negates that.

DryIslandBartender said:
Seems like the Kings are set on Petersen/Quick next season but what about making a move to sign Grabauer?
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Where are you trading Petersen?
 
DryIslandBartender said:
Seems like the Kings are set on Petersen/Quick next season but what about making a move to sign Grabauer?
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I don't know how they can sign Makar, Landeskog and Grubauer. Can they keep Johnson on LTIR? It seems in order to sign those 3, they will have to move a Kadri (4.5 mil 1 more yr) or Burakovsky (4.9 mil 1 more yr ) and let Saad go for sure. Jost is also RFA. Donskoi at 3.9 mil 2 more yrs....Compher 3.5 mil 2 more yrs. May have to deal 2 of: Kadri, Burkovsky, Donskoi, Compher. Maybe just letting Saad (5 mil) go and Calvert (2.8 mil) and 1 of those other dealt, can get them there. I don't know. I'm not one to pour over caps. Bellemare is 36 and probably let go. He made 1.8 mil this yr.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Assuming Byfield doesn't go to Buffalo, and you have those 3, you put Kopitar in the heavy defensive minutes role. He's better offensively when not deferring to any wingers, as we saw in 17-18, so you can put Kopitar with anyone. He'll be fine. He won't complain. At least publicly. He'll go out there and do his job. It decreases Kopitar's minutes, which should've been happening these last few years anyway. The Kings have yet to replace Stoll. They have yet to replace Fraser at C. I'll make Eichel/Byfield/Kopitar work.

You're not getting any real assets for Kopitar. That time is long gone. The best you're doing is just getting rid of 50% of the contract, but you'd probably have to take a contract back, which sort of negates that.
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We’ll just be wasting 10 million on a third line center at that point and be the laughing stock of the league because nobody pays a third line center 10 million.

Kings will have drafted Byfield with the expectation he will be a #1 center, and traded assets for Eichel with the expectation that he will be a #1 center. There’s just no room for Kopitar, with his cap hit and he shouldn’t be playing on the third line in a decreased role.

That whole scenario is just a complete waste of assets, waste of a #2 pick and waste of a trade for Eichel. The Kings would be a laughingstock (if they aren’t already).
 
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DryIslandBartender said:
We’ll just be wasting 10 million on a third line center at that point and be the laughing stock of the league because nobody pays a third line center 10 million.

Kings will have drafted Byfield with the expectation he will be a #1 center, and traded assets for Eichel with the expectation that he will be a #1 center. There’s just no room for Kopitar, with his cap hit and he shouldn’t be playing on the third line in a decreased role.

That whole scenario is just a complete waste of assets, waste of a #2 pick and waste of a trade for Eichel. The Kings would be a laughingstock (if they aren’t already).
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Why can't kopitar or Byfield play wing?
 
If Kopitar is our 3rd line center, that's a GOOD thing. It means our young players are doing well.

Last year of AK's contract is 23-24. Byfield will need a new deal in 24/25. Seems like an ideal scenario.

If the Kings don't screw up, you could see some combination of this in 23/24:

Kaliyev-Byfield-Andersson
Kempe-Turcotte-Vilardi
Iafallo-Kopitar-Madden
Grundstrom-Thomas-Moore

JAD, Kupari, Fagemo, Lemieux

Very exciting. Obviously not all of those players will pan out. Impossible to predict a future lineup as there will be surprises (both good and bad), but things are headed in the right direction.
 
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The Kings are never going to move Kopitar, ever unless he asks for it which he won't. He is going to retire a King and they will hang his jersey in the rafters. I am not against trading him if the right deal where there but he is the face of the organization and carries it well which is what the Kings most likely want. LA identifies their teams with stars and Kopitar is the guy until he hangs it up most likely.
 
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DryIslandBartender said:
We’ll just be wasting 10 million on a third line center at that point and be the laughing stock of the league because nobody pays a third line center 10 million.

Kings will have drafted Byfield with the expectation he will be a #1 center, and traded assets for Eichel with the expectation that he will be a #1 center. There’s just no room for Kopitar, with his cap hit and he shouldn’t be playing on the third line in a decreased role.

That whole scenario is just a complete waste of assets, waste of a #2 pick and waste of a trade for Eichel. The Kings would be a laughingstock (if they aren’t already).
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Assuming you have to retain 50% in a Kopitar trade, that's $5m wasted right there. Plus you have to replace him on the roster, because why go all in on Eichel if you're just going to suck again. Retain, replace, and probably take on some sort of contract in the Kopitar deal, and what are you doing? You're not getting a real prospect in the deal. The contract coming back isn't going to be a good player.

Not that I know how you get Eichel without Byfield going the other way. Realistically, if Eichel is worth getting, he's worth Byfield+.
 
DryIslandBartender said:
Kings can retain salary and move Kopitar. The point of moving on from Kopitar is to collect assets lost in a hypothetical Eichel trade AND make room for Byfield. The Kings won’t get everything they lose in an Eichel trade.

It’s asinine to me to have Kopitar, Eichel and Byfield down the line, and putting Byfield with a bunch of bums that belong on the third/fourth line. Total asset mismanagement and player development disaster waiting to happen.

Otherwise, I don’t see the point of an Eichel trade.
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It's that kind of mentality that ruins relationships. You don't trade one of the biggest stars that this organization has ever had (who also led the team to the promise land TWICE) just to get unknown pieces back. It is a dumb idea and you should feel bad for even bringing that into discussion. The only time i want to see Kopitar traded is if he himself wants out, suddenly becomes a complete drag, or the team remains in the bottom 5 at the very end of his career. If it's a problem to have Byfield play on the 3rd or 4th line when he has demonstrated to be a star, then that is a good problem that I want to witness. Also, if you have 3 star centers, I can guarantee you that no is going to see the 3rd line as an actual "3rd line".
 
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If in a couple years Kopitar is our 3rd line center, and he's scoring 40 points, killing penalties, winning draws and taking heavy D matchups, that would basically mean he's an elite 3rd line center being over paid by about 3.5M or so for a year or two.

Not a big deal at all.
 
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DryIslandBartender said:
We’ll just be wasting 10 million on a third line center at that point and be the laughing stock of the league because nobody pays a third line center 10 million.

Kings will have drafted Byfield with the expectation he will be a #1 center, and traded assets for Eichel with the expectation that he will be a #1 center. There’s just no room for Kopitar, with his cap hit and he shouldn’t be playing on the third line in a decreased role.

That whole scenario is just a complete waste of assets, waste of a #2 pick and waste of a trade for Eichel. The Kings would be a laughingstock (if they aren’t already).
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Better tell Pittsburgh they were a laughingstock for giving a 2C an equivalent salary for a decade +
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
Assuming you have to retain 50% in a Kopitar trade, that's $5m wasted right there. Plus you have to replace him on the roster, because why go all in on Eichel if you're just going to suck again. Retain, replace, and probably take on some sort of contract in the Kopitar deal, and what are you doing? You're not getting a real prospect in the deal. The contract coming back isn't going to be a good player.

Not that I know how you get Eichel without Byfield going the other way. Realistically, if Eichel is worth getting, he's worth Byfield+.
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Trading Kopitar only makes sense if you have Eichel/Byfield as your two centers for the next decade and possibly have Vilardi or Turcotte as your #3 depending how an Eichel trade pans out. I don’t think it’ll cost an arm and a leg to get Eichel given his injury concerns and the recent tiffs with management in Buffalo.
 
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