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Sol said:
I wish I could be this optimistic about the Kings. The Kings are the one aspect of my life that I'm actually a pessimist in.

I think Frks time is up. He's nothing special to warrant any excitement over.

I think Petersen started well and shit the bed afterwards. As Quicks successor he made a good argument to keep Quick in the picture because there were games where Cal was just letting in soft goals. Quick did better. Cal better shape up if he wants to be the long term goalie of the Kings.

I am high on JAD. I love what he brings.

Luff got snuffed out. Outta here.

MacD outta here.

Lias Andersson needs a real chance. I like him.

Byfield looked good.

Don't know about about Kupari, and cautiously optimistic about Kaliyev.

Vilardi I was high on but I think his footspeed is going to continue to be a massive problem in his success. He's extremely slow for being so young.


Everything else that dude said I can kinda get behind. Petersen needs to get himself together.


I think the draft this year has a high STANK meter, which is why I think the Kings should consider getting someone of immediate help for this roster to offset the massive STANK in this abysmal team.



And launch that f***ing koala into the sun cause he doesn't know how to coach.
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How about I act as the optimist and we meet in the middle? Here's some thoughts.

First, we can absolutely agree on some of these points. Frk/Luff/Luff/MacD were simply cheap placeholders. I have a lot of gratefulness for MacD like I did Phaneuf the year before; they acted as lightening rods of hate and allowed the team to achieve a higher draft pick. Kings have enough bottom 6 players coming up so these group of players can easily go.

Lias A. He got to develop more in the Ahl and did a good job! Came up and acted like our next crash-bang player. Hopefully Brown can mentor him a little bit for that mold. He should make the team next year (or I hope?).

Byfield/Kupari/Kaliyev. They all got great development time and were not rushed. Covid allowed Byfield/Kaliyev to reach the AHL earlier than normal agreement (at the cost of this years wild card draft) and by the end both were looking decent. All three should be top 6 material. Pretty good. Don't forget Turcotte in there if he can stay healthy.

Yeah, Petersen. He is someone I do not feel will lead to the stanley cup. Good player but I...donno there. This is why I can see LA picking Wall at 10 should the best defensemen be taken in the draft. Kings could use a real blue chip goalie to develop. Yes, they also need blue chip winger and replacment for Doughty, but I don't see anyone at 7-10 who could be that.

Vilardi needs work. for sure. He might turn into a third line center who pots 40-45 points. I'm fine with that so long Byfield and Turcotte develop into 80 and 70 point centers. JAD could center the fourth, which is not a bad thing at all.

With TM, he's coaching a team that honestly does not have much skill right now. He won't go anywhere for another 2 years.

Our Stanley cup pieces has been sold off and is thriving elsewhere. Awesome for them. At least we got something for em and gave those kids time to develop.

We went from cap strapped/bounced in first year/no prospect pool to the best prospect pool/great cap space/Seattle only able to take junk in expansion. The future is bright.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
The same year the Kings acquired Andrej Sekera, the Canadiens traded for Jeff Petry and gave up much less to acquire him. That right there would've been the Voynov replacement and top 4 defenseman who would've helped the Kings' blueline for a long period of time.
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Petry only cost a 2nd and a condition 5th.

That trade [pick went to 2016] + no first round pick in 2015 + trading Cernak [our 2nd] just killed this team in the long run.
 
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crassbonanza said:
While I definitely agree that expectations were raised by the two cups in 3 years, this is the worst 7 year stretch in franchise history with regards to postseason wins. The second worst stretch was 02-03 through 09-10 where the Kings had 2 postseason wins(I am excluding the lockout year, because there was no season). I have to be honest, this is the first time I actually looked all of this up and am really shocked by how bad this stretch has been when compared to the rest of the league and to the franchise itself.



I have heard that argument and don't fully agree. Even calling neutral games I am not a fan of his. He was really bad on the Cats-Bolts game 1 this year, that was one of the most exciting games I have seen recently and his call stood out as extremely poor. He just doesn't strike me of a guy that particularly enjoys the sport and still hasn't taken the time to learn it.
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To the first point, if you want to say the current period is the worst seven year stretch in regards to post season wins, I'll raise you the 1994 - 2000 Kings that came off of a SCF appearance to miss the playoffs for four consecutive seasons, make it and get swept (including the infamous Courtnall game), miss it again in a horrible '99 season and then make it and get swept again. That's two appearances with zero wins v. the current period that includes one win.

While that period at least had the Blake season in 1998, it didn't have much in the way of hope and expectations like the 2015 and '16 teams had. I have been saying how this seven year stretch is up there with this 90s stretch and with the 2003 - 2009 stretch (only six seasons but seven calendar years. use 2002 instead of 2010 because 2010 was fun) in terms of being horrible and it is really eye-opening when you take a look at it. That said, the points percentage for this period includes four straight seasons over .500%: even the 2017 team was at .524%. 2002 - '09 only had two total seasons above this figure. The 90s and 00s period only had two each and they weren't even consecutive.

The 90s period is probably the worst on paper but, that said, I never had to question if Laperriere or Zmolek cared out there and I wasn't a "watch every game and bitch about it online" guy prior to '96. The 00's period had the back half of it feature Kopitar, Brown, Quick and then Doughty's rookie season. So much more hope for the future than any stretch of the 90s period and--honestly--the current period since getting bounced in 2016. The first three years of DL and the first three year's of Blake's rebuild feature the former with a points % of .443 and the latter at .442. The difference is, again, we had young Kopitar and Brown for all three of the DL seasons but we've had old Kopitar and Brown for Blake's and no prospects that have really moved the needle. This is a big reason why the current period is the worst for me from an entertainment point of view which also makes it the worst overall for me: if I'm comparing three seven year periods where the common thread is being horrible then I'm going with entertainment value as the deciding factor. The last three seasons have been the most painful and boring three year stretch of Kings hockey that I have endured as a fan and I'm not sure if endured is a strong enough of word.

Regarding Faust, it is perfectly acceptable to simply not like his call of any game. I do believe that the fact he is basically synonymous with the death of the "Cup Era Kings" and the aforementioned least entertaining era of Kings hockey doesn't help his case any, however.
 
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BigKing said:
To the first point, if you want to say the current period is the worst seven year stretch in regards to post season wins, I'll raise you the 1994 - 2000 Kings that came off of a SCF appearance to miss the playoffs for four consecutive seasons, make it and get swept (including the infamous Courtnall game), miss it again in a horrible '99 season and then make it and get swept again. That's two appearances with zero wins v. the current period that includes one win.

While that period at least had the Blake season in 1998, it didn't have much in the way of hope and expectations like the 2015 and '16 teams had. I have been saying how this seven year stretch is up there with this 90s stretch and with the 2003 - 2009 stretch (only six seasons but seven calendar years. use 2002 instead of 2010 because 2010 was fun) in terms of being horrible and it is really eye-opening when you take a look at it. That said, the points percentage for this period includes four straight seasons over .500%: even the 2017 team was at .524%. 2002 - '09 only had two total seasons above this figure. The 90s and 00s period only had two each and they weren't even consecutive.

The 90s period is probably the worst on paper but, that said, I never had to question if Laperriere or Zmolek cared out there and I wasn't a "watch every game and bitch about it online" guy prior to '96. The 00's period had the back half of it feature Kopitar, Brown, Quick and then Doughty's rookie season. So much more hope for the future than any stretch of the 90s period and--honestly--the current period since getting bounced in 2016. The first three years of DL and the first three year's of Blake's rebuild feature the former with a points % of .443 and the latter at .442. The difference is, again, we had young Kopitar and Brown for all three of the DL seasons but we've had old Kopitar and Brown for Blake's and no prospects that have really moved the needle. This is a big reason why the current period is the worst for me from an entertainment point of view which also makes it the worst overall for me: if I'm comparing three seven year periods where the common thread is being horrible then I'm going with entertainment value as the deciding factor. The last three seasons have been the most painful and boring three year stretch of Kings hockey that I have endured as a fan and I'm not sure if endured is a strong enough of word.

Regarding Faust, it is perfectly acceptable to simply not like his call of any game. I do believe that the fact he is basically synonymous with the death of the "Cup Era Kings" and the aforementioned least entertaining era of Kings hockey doesn't help his case any, however.
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Faust certainly carries on the boring aspect of the Kings.
 
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With all the big names to sign for the AVs this summer; Makar, Landeskog, Timmins, Grubauer. A player like Matt Calvert can slip through the cracks. Good vet for the bottom lines to support JAD.
 
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With all the big names to sign for the AVs this summer; Makar, Landeskog, Timmins, Grubauer. A player like Matt Calvert can slip through the cracks. Good vet for the bottom lines to support JAD.
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Or even a PE Bellemare until I looked up his age, 36! Jeebus, he has been around a long time but is still a very useful player. Not a bad career for a UDFA.
 
Reaper45 said:
Faust certainly carries on the boring aspect of the Kings.
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Yeah. He's being asked to make chicken soup out of chicken shit and he is not the right guy for that role.

I'm not a fan but I also appreciate that it is a tough assignment with the way it has all worked out.
 
BigKing said:
To the first point, if you want to say the current period is the worst seven year stretch in regards to post season wins, I'll raise you the 1994 - 2000 Kings that came off of a SCF appearance to miss the playoffs for four consecutive seasons, make it and get swept (including the infamous Courtnall game), miss it again in a horrible '99 season and then make it and get swept again. That's two appearances with zero wins v. the current period that includes one win.

While that period at least had the Blake season in 1998, it didn't have much in the way of hope and expectations like the 2015 and '16 teams had. I have been saying how this seven year stretch is up there with this 90s stretch and with the 2003 - 2009 stretch (only six seasons but seven calendar years. use 2002 instead of 2010 because 2010 was fun) in terms of being horrible and it is really eye-opening when you take a look at it. That said, the points percentage for this period includes four straight seasons over .500%: even the 2017 team was at .524%. 2002 - '09 only had two total seasons above this figure. The 90s and 00s period only had two each and they weren't even consecutive.

The 90s period is probably the worst on paper but, that said, I never had to question if Laperriere or Zmolek cared out there and I wasn't a "watch every game and bitch about it online" guy prior to '96. The 00's period had the back half of it feature Kopitar, Brown, Quick and then Doughty's rookie season. So much more hope for the future than any stretch of the 90s period and--honestly--the current period since getting bounced in 2016. The first three years of DL and the first three year's of Blake's rebuild feature the former with a points % of .443 and the latter at .442. The difference is, again, we had young Kopitar and Brown for all three of the DL seasons but we've had old Kopitar and Brown for Blake's and no prospects that have really moved the needle. This is a big reason why the current period is the worst for me from an entertainment point of view which also makes it the worst overall for me: if I'm comparing three seven year periods where the common thread is being horrible then I'm going with entertainment value as the deciding factor. The last three seasons have been the most painful and boring three year stretch of Kings hockey that I have endured as a fan and I'm not sure if endured is a strong enough of word.

Regarding Faust, it is perfectly acceptable to simply not like his call of any game. I do believe that the fact he is basically synonymous with the death of the "Cup Era Kings" and the aforementioned least entertaining era of Kings hockey doesn't help his case any, however.
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Really I think the boldfaced is the biggest difference.


When we're trotting out Armstrong as a 2C and Denis Gauthier/Randy Jones as a pairing, it's clear we're just not good enough to compete--but the sheer will and effort was there.

Contrast that with Conn Smythe winning vets and multiple Cup winners just rolling over for (other) lottery teams and it's arguably more excruciating.
 
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BigKing said:
To the first point, if you want to say the current period is the worst seven year stretch in regards to post season wins, I'll raise you the 1994 - 2000 Kings that came off of a SCF appearance to miss the playoffs for four consecutive seasons, make it and get swept (including the infamous Courtnall game), miss it again in a horrible '99 season and then make it and get swept again. That's two appearances with zero wins v. the current period that includes one win.

While that period at least had the Blake season in 1998, it didn't have much in the way of hope and expectations like the 2015 and '16 teams had. I have been saying how this seven year stretch is up there with this 90s stretch and with the 2003 - 2009 stretch (only six seasons but seven calendar years. use 2002 instead of 2010 because 2010 was fun) in terms of being horrible and it is really eye-opening when you take a look at it. That said, the points percentage for this period includes four straight seasons over .500%: even the 2017 team was at .524%. 2002 - '09 only had two total seasons above this figure. The 90s and 00s period only had two each and they weren't even consecutive.

The 90s period is probably the worst on paper but, that said, I never had to question if Laperriere or Zmolek cared out there and I wasn't a "watch every game and bitch about it online" guy prior to '96. The 00's period had the back half of it feature Kopitar, Brown, Quick and then Doughty's rookie season. So much more hope for the future than any stretch of the 90s period and--honestly--the current period since getting bounced in 2016. The first three years of DL and the first three year's of Blake's rebuild feature the former with a points % of .443 and the latter at .442. The difference is, again, we had young Kopitar and Brown for all three of the DL seasons but we've had old Kopitar and Brown for Blake's and no prospects that have really moved the needle. This is a big reason why the current period is the worst for me from an entertainment point of view which also makes it the worst overall for me: if I'm comparing three seven year periods where the common thread is being horrible then I'm going with entertainment value as the deciding factor. The last three seasons have been the most painful and boring three year stretch of Kings hockey that I have endured as a fan and I'm not sure if endured is a strong enough of word.

Regarding Faust, it is perfectly acceptable to simply not like his call of any game. I do believe that the fact he is basically synonymous with the death of the "Cup Era Kings" and the aforementioned least entertaining era of Kings hockey doesn't help his case any, however.
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great job on this post the only thing that I have to add is that Faust also had the impossible job of replacing Bob Miller. Joe Davis had the same impossible job with the Doyers
 
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kovacro said:
Or even a PE Bellemare until I looked up his age, 36! Jeebus, he has been around a long time but is still a very useful player. Not a bad career for a UDFA.
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Yes 36!, we should pass on that. Calvert is 31, could be useful for a fews years. I'am also not at all comfortable with our 2C situation going into next year. 82 games for Vilardi as a 2C? I think it is going to be a revolving door for the 2C spot until someone earns it.
 
Joe Davis is f***ing awesome.

I also think Faust is too, though. I really like him. I know that's not popular around here.

He has two problems--one, locally, is his chemistry with Jim is a shitshow. It's not his abilities making our telecast suck. The second is, while he's got a great voice, he doesn't have a unique, legendary voice. Like, I only know it's Faust because we listen to him all the time. If I didn't he could be anyone. Maybe that's just a function of time, but everyone knows when Doc is on the call.

Dont forget--dude is only 32 years old. He's got decades to sharpen. He's an absolute phenom for his age.

Joe Davis is young too but I absolutely think he's a legend in the making. I could listen to him and Orel all day. When he gets amped up I do too. But same goes for Faust, he just hasn't had shit to call--but I LOVE a good Faust goal call
 
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