2021-2022 Around The League - Part VII

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I don’t see the problem with weaponizing cap space if the intention is to tank, so long as you get something good out of it. In a hard cap system with guaranteed salaries, there kinda has to be this sort of outlet.

The problem with the way Chayka did it is that he kept on doing it while at the same time orchestrating like twenty other trades and it screwed up his cap situation.
This isn't weaponizing cap space though.

Weaponizing cap space would be Montreal sending a 1st to Arizona to take Weber's contract. That's not what's going to happen here. Montreal will send the contract to help Arizona to reach the cap floor without having to spend a penny in real money. Wouldn't even be surprised if it's Arizona that sends assets to Montreal in return for Weber.
 

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This isn't weaponizing cap space though.

Weaponizing cap space would be Montreal sending a 1st to Arizona to take Weber's contract. That's not what's going to happen here. Montreal will send the contract to help Arizona to reach the cap floor without having to spend a penny in real money. Wouldn't even be surprised if it's Arizona that sends assets to Montreal in return for Weber.
I mean I joke about it a lot but Arizona's AHL affiliate will be playing in a higher capacity venue than the NHL team for the foreseeable future. They are absolutely f***ed from a potential gate revenue. I'd have to think by now the owners are sick and tired of continuously bailing them out with revenue sharing while they pull these business shenanigans. I wonder when/if it will hit a tipping point where the leagues Board directs Gary to fix it. Wonder if there is a clause allowing the league to purchase a club back for a set price (especially since they've been bleeding money into it for decades) and then auction it off to the highest bidder with relocation being the only option. I'd some what be nostalgic about the Houston Aeros becoming an NHL team because I watched them live a bunch in my 20s when back home on leave and their history of having all the Hulls playing together, but seriously: Quebec, Kansas City, Hamilton....anywhere but Arizona. No decent owner will touch it in this location because they know it can't work...which is why they keep getting complete bums as owners. I mean I actually feel bad for Armstrong and Tourigny. /r
 

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This isn't weaponizing cap space though.

Weaponizing cap space would be Montreal sending a 1st to Arizona to take Weber's contract. That's not what's going to happen here. Montreal will send the contract to help Arizona to reach the cap floor without having to spend a penny in real money. Wouldn't even be surprised if it's Arizona that sends assets to Montreal in return for Weber.
Let’s wait and see what the trade is before making assumptions. We know Arizona is tanking it for at least one more season but I’m already liking Armstrong as a GM more than Chayka. He got Gostisbehere for literally nothing and that guy was better than any blue liner Philly still has.
 

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Grades for the Seattle Kraken's inaugural season. Pretty spot-on if I do say so myself. Ron Francis rightfully gets very low marks.

The Kraken fans got the worst of both worlds. The team played a boring, low-scoring style, and yet still lost a ton. If you're gonna suck at least try and be entertaining.
 

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Grades for the Seattle Kraken's inaugural season. Pretty spot-on if I do say so myself. Ron Francis rightfully gets very low marks.

The Kraken fans got the worst of both worlds. The team played a boring, low-scoring style, and yet still lost a ton. If you're gonna suck at least try and be entertaining.

I often hear analysts say things on TV like "league executives learned from the 2017 expansion draft, Seattle didn't have as easy of a road to success as the Golden Knights," but they're parroting a false narrative.

Vegas took the best veterans they could (Fleury, Neal, Perron) and hit home runs in the draft (Karlsson, Schmidt, Tuch) and via trade (Marchessault, Smith, Theodore). They had an extremely difficult path to success in year one.

Seattle had a platter of good talent available to them (Duchene, Tarasenko, Voracek). But we should've known things were headed off the rails when Francis was spending the days leading up to the expansion draft playing chicken with the Montreal Canadiens over an aging, injured Carey Price.
 

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I often hear analysts say things on TV like "league executives learned from the 2017 expansion draft, Seattle didn't have as easy of a road to success as the Golden Knights," but they're parroting a false narrative.

Vegas took the best veterans they could (Fleury, Neal, Perron) and hit home runs in the draft (Karlsson, Schmidt, Tuch) and via trade (Marchessault, Smith, Theodore). They had an extremely difficult path to success in year one.

Seattle had a platter of good talent available to them (Duchene, Tarasenko, Voracek). But we should've known things were headed off the rails when Francis was spending the days leading up to the expansion draft playing chicken with the Montreal Canadiens over an aging, injured Carey Price.

Lol no. Vegas was handed a great team from other GMs
 

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I often hear analysts say things on TV like "league executives learned from the 2017 expansion draft, Seattle didn't have as easy of a road to success as the Golden Knights," but they're parroting a false narrative.

Vegas took the best veterans they could (Fleury, Neal, Perron) and hit home runs in the draft (Karlsson, Schmidt, Tuch) and via trade (Marchessault, Smith, Theodore). They had an extremely difficult path to success in year one.

Seattle had a platter of good talent available to them (Duchene, Tarasenko, Voracek). But we should've known things were headed off the rails when Francis was spending the days leading up to the expansion draft playing chicken with the Montreal Canadiens over an aging, injured Carey Price.

Lol no. Vegas was handed a great team from other GMs

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. A lot of panicky GMs handed over some insanely good pieces (Minnesota essentially handed over Tuch and Haula because they were terrified Vegas was going to take Dumba, for example) and of course there was the insanity that Dale Tallon pulled when he literally gifted 2/3rds of a top-notch scoring line to Vegas because he was pissed off at Panthers ownership and the guys who temporarily replaced him. They also got lucky--in no way, shape, or form was anyone prepared for William Karlsson to go from career 4th liner to star center. He's come back to earth a bit since then but that remains a very good two-way player. The Theodore move was also the result of an incompetent GM who is no longer in the NHL.

So there were some savvy moves, there were some gifts thanks to dumb GMs and a new situation that the league was apparently not ready for (they were the second time though), and some dumb luck. It's a shame Vegas, as is the city's nature, got greedy and quickly whittled away the depth they procured so magnificently in that first magical year. There's seriously hardly anyone left apart from the Wild Bill Line, Carrier, and McNabb. And they're likely getting rid of Reilly Smith this summer.

To be fair to Ronnie Franchise, the big names available (Duchene, Johanssen, Tarasenko) all had tons of money and term, and were all coming off career-low seasons, or close to it. There's a reason the GMs of those respective teams had those guys available. No one could have easily predicted that all three would have bounceback seasons. I'd also argue that with Duchene and Johanssen, those two are bound to regress at least a little next season. Scoring has been absolutely insane this year and Duchene especially is riding a ridiculous streak where he just can't miss. It's easy to look back and say they should've taken one or two of those guys but at the time?

Where Francis faceplanted IMO was in three areas: Goaltending, defense, and coaching. For some reason, Francis is very conservative, but when he takes a big risk it almost always blows up in his face. Victor Rask is a prime example, so is Scott Darling. And for some inexplicable reason he bet big on Grubauer, when his own analytics team should've been telling him his Vezina-finalist season was an outlier. He also went out of his way to build the slowest, least skilled blueline in the entire league. Lastly, he made a truly uninspired hire in Dave Hakstol, who is definitely the guy you want if the idea is to play it safe. If you're trying to excite a new fanbase, this was absolutely NOT the way to do it. It sounds like fan attendance and ticket sales reflected this as well.

I suppose you could argue that Franchise should've taken a chance and gotten a big-ticket player, but IMO where he went wrong was not procuring more speed, which should have been very easy. It's what the Minnesota Wylde did when they started out (and with draft rules far less favorable than what Seattle had), they got a lot of low-skill scrubs, but made absolutely certain they could move fast, especially up front. And this was while the league was still in the throes of the Dead Puck Era. They could've been excused if they had done what Seattle did roughly 20 years later. They didn't. And for Seattle to get as big and slow on the back end as they did in 2022 is just...confusing as hell to me.
 

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I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. A lot of panicky GMs handed over some insanely good pieces (Minnesota essentially handed over Tuch and Haula because they were terrified Vegas was going to take Dumba, for example) and of course there was the insanity that Dale Tallon pulled when he literally gifted 2/3rds of a top-notch scoring line to Vegas because he was pissed off at Panthers ownership and the guys who temporarily replaced him. They also got lucky--in no way, shape, or form was anyone prepared for William Karlsson to go from career 4th liner to star center. He's come back to earth a bit since then but that remains a very good two-way player. The Theodore move was also the result of an incompetent GM who is no longer in the NHL.

So there were some savvy moves, there were some gifts thanks to dumb GMs and a new situation that the league was apparently not ready for (they were the second time though), and some dumb luck. It's a shame Vegas, as is the city's nature, got greedy and quickly whittled away the depth they procured so magnificently in that first magical year. There's seriously hardly anyone left apart from the Wild Bill Line, Carrier, and McNabb. And they're likely getting rid of Reilly Smith this summer.

To be fair to Ronnie Franchise, the big names available (Duchene, Johanssen, Tarasenko) all had tons of money and term, and were all coming off career-low seasons, or close to it. There's a reason the GMs of those respective teams had those guys available. No one could have easily predicted that all three would have bounceback seasons. I'd also argue that with Duchene and Johanssen, those two are bound to regress at least a little next season. Scoring has been absolutely insane this year and Duchene especially is riding a ridiculous streak where he just can't miss. It's easy to look back and say they should've taken one or two of those guys but at the time?

Where Francis faceplanted IMO was in three areas: Goaltending, defense, and coaching. For some reason, Francis is very conservative, but when he takes a big risk it almost always blows up in his face. Victor Rask is a prime example, so is Scott Darling. And for some inexplicable reason he bet big on Grubauer, when his own analytics team should've been telling him his Vezina-finalist season was an outlier. He also went out of his way to build the slowest, least skilled blueline in the entire league. Lastly, he made a truly uninspired hire in Dave Hakstol, who is definitely the guy you want if the idea is to play it safe. If you're trying to excite a new fanbase, this was absolutely NOT the way to do it. It sounds like fan attendance and ticket sales reflected this as well.

I suppose you could argue that Franchise should've taken a chance and gotten a big-ticket player, but IMO where he went wrong was not procuring more speed, which should have been very easy. It's what the Minnesota Wylde did when they started out (and with draft rules far less favorable than what Seattle had), they got a lot of low-skill scrubs, but made absolutely certain they could move fast, especially up front. And this was while the league was still in the throes of the Dead Puck Era. They could've been excused if they had done what Seattle did roughly 20 years later. They didn't. And for Seattle to get as big and slow on the back end as they did in 2022 is just...confusing as hell to me.

There was definitely a lot of risk involved with those higher salary players and it's hard to blame him for passing on them. Duchene would've been a huge gamble considering his previous two seasons. Johansen would've been less of a gamble probably, but a big gamble non-the-less.

But I can't cut Francis a lot of slack for passing on some of the higher salary players (Domi, Johnsson(NJ), Niederreiter, Tarasenko, Voracek, etc.) that were on shorter term deals. Even if Francis missed on some of them, he wouldn't be tethered to those players for a life time (like Grubauer...).

It would've been difficult to build a great team, but I think the path was there to build a wild card team; develop a positive culture as players like Beniers, Evans, and future picks break into the league. Dissecting every move in hindsight is probably a pointless exercise for me to do, but even without the benefit of hindsight, I think we knew Seattle was going to be bad this year.

Tying things together with the Vegas expansion draft, the Golden Knights didn't even have players like Duchene and co. available to them to gamble on. They more or less took what was there, and worked some excellent side deals.
 

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Here's a free, insurance paid, 7M cap hit to help with the cap floor.

Yotes are bigger cheaters with the cap than Vegas. Change my mind



These are the exact type of move I expect Arizona to make in the off season. Weber has a $7.85M cap hit but only makes $3M in salary next year.
 

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Grades for the Seattle Kraken's inaugural season. Pretty spot-on if I do say so myself. Ron Francis rightfully gets very low marks.

The Kraken fans got the worst of both worlds. The team played a boring, low-scoring style, and yet still lost a ton. If you're gonna suck at least try and be entertaining.
I think Baker goes awfully nice on the players and takes the frustration on the front office, which won't respond to his story. Goalers shouldn't get anything higher than a D, defence shouldn't been higher than a D+, and the expansion draft is what I consider an F considering who they could've chosen.

Francis did very bad at the expansion draft, no arguments from anyone including some of the picks that he decided to make just for precious cap space. I still think he'll be good for building that team though. As I mentioned a month or two ago, he won't be there long-term when the team eventually gets good, but he practically built the entire core for Carolina. His methods are definitely strange and I think he relies too much on analytics, but historically, he's gotten some solid players that other teams passed on.

At some point, you just have to be classified as a sex addict because he's been through how many sexual assaults now? Two? Three?
 

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At some point, you just have to be classified as a sex addict because he's been through how many sexual assaults now? Two? Three?

I'm not sure that's the correct classification. The judge will probably inform him of what that is if he's found guilty.
 
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Grades for the Seattle Kraken's inaugural season. Pretty spot-on if I do say so myself. Ron Francis rightfully gets very low marks.

The Kraken fans got the worst of both worlds. The team played a boring, low-scoring style, and yet still lost a ton. If you're gonna suck at least try and be entertaining.

And the second most expensive tickets in the league if I am not mistaken.
 

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The 2020 and 2021 Islanders had no business making it as far as they did; no way they get that far without Trotz.

Meanwhile, Lou slowly whittled away the Islanders talent (Eberle, Leddy, Toews) and replaced them with his shuffle board buddies from the local geriatric club (Chara, Palmieri, Parise).

Unless there's some controversy that comes to light...Lou has lost his marbles.
 
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