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WJC: 2020 Team USA Roster Talk

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PittsburghHustlers said:
Well that’s just not true tho. Both will probably play LW in the WJC - which is also the positions that they mainly are predicted to play in this thread. Hence my question why people are choosing Robertson over Kaliyev.
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It's certainly possible they end up at the same position, but I don't know how you've decided it's probable. Robertson plays LW. Kaliyev plays RW. They spent nearly the entire WJSS playing those positions other than early on when Robertson dabbled at C. So, maybe you should provide evidence that they both "will probably play LW in the WJC" beyond random internet posters putting them on the same side, which isn't based on any evidence.

Otherwise, it seems more prudent to inquire as to why folks have Kaliyev playing out of position in their hypothetical lineups versus why they may have Robertson on a higher line.
 
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Hi Team USA (waves from Canada)
Do you feel Nick Robertson is a lock?
I am a Peterborough Petes season ticket holder and although he has been out with a broken finger he is a tremendous player with a huge heart-
 
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Zebra said:
Hi Team USA (waves from Canada)
Do you feel Nick Robertson is a lock?
I am a Peterborough Petes season ticket holder and although he has been out with a broken finger he is a tremendous player with a huge heart-
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Not a lock, but he's in that next tier and it would be really surprising if he's not on the team unless the finger injury totally details his game.
 
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I caught some of the North Dakota game today and Shane Pinto was very good. He started the year pretty well statistically, then the points dried up for 6 games, but he's now coming on strong again to make his case for the December camp with 5 points (4g, 1a) in his last 4 games.
 
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He probably won’t be at the pre-tournament camp, but Thrun should be there. 6 points in 7 games. He’s also not known for his offense. I was very surprised he wasn’t at the summer camp. He was definitely one of the biggest snubs from that roster.
 
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ASPIFC said:
Going to be there next year.
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I’d hope so, but the fact that he’s wasn’t at the Summer camp was strange, given his play for the NTDP. It was reminiscent of Wilde being snubbed his first year. Maybe USAH isn’t a fan for some reason we don’t know of.
 
No way in hell do the Flyers release Farabee to be on this team. Keep dreaming.
 
FlyguyOX said:
No way in hell do the Flyers release Farabee to be on this team. Keep dreaming.
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He's hit 13 and a half minutes once in the last six games. He's barely playing. The team doesn't need to be selected for another three weeks. There's more than enough time for him to be sent here, if he keeps playing such low minutes. The Flyers would be doing him a disservice to keep playing him these minutes, and not send him down to the AHL. And if he's in the AHL, there's no reason he shouldn't be on the WJC team.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
He's hit 13 and a half minutes once in the last six games. He's barely playing. The team doesn't need to be selected for another three weeks. There's more than enough time for him to be sent here, if he keeps playing such low minutes. The Flyers would be doing him a disservice to keep playing him these minutes, and not send him down to the AHL. And if he's in the AHL, there's no reason he shouldn't be on the WJC team.
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His minutes have been low of late and I know it’s being pushed up by some other games but he’s averaging nearly 15 minutes a night on the season.. 4 points in his last 5 games, it makes it tough to send a guy to the AHL/release him for this tournament regardless of his minutes if he’s producing. I don’t think his development is being stifled by playing 12-14 minutes a night, he seems to me like the type of player that’s NHL ready and benefits more from playing NHL minutes (even if it’s in a limited role) then he does going down to the AHL.
 
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SanDogBrewin said:


Would Shero ?
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To answer your question -- I doubt Shero would even consider it. He's got a lot bigger issues on his hands, such as needing to fire his coach, trade his star player, find a sucker to give him a valuable asset for Subban, retool his entire team, etc. Never say never, but I don't see it.

Yes, Hughes isn't tearing the NHL apart, but he's also playing on one of the biggest dumpster fires in the league for one of the worst coaches in the league. Their whole team looks terrible, including its current and former star players (Hart and Norris winners included) - all of them are greatly underperforming. You'd love to see Hughes putting up more points, but acting Ken acting like a ~40 point 18 year old is in over his head is out there.

But overall, that was one of the worst articles I've read in a long time. It's amazing how little Campbell seems to know about WJC or the Hughes.

Let's just take two snippets as examples:
If the Devils were to loan Hughes, he’d be out of the lineup for about a month
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That's not even close to the truth. You would think if he wanted his suggestion taken seriously, he'd get one of the most important details correct because the longer he'd be gone, the less likely it would happen.

The Devils could loan Hughes to USAH for the December Camp and the tournament and he still wouldn't miss a month. Camp starts on 12/16 in Michigan and the WJC medal games are on 1/5. He'd miss maybe three weeks at most in the worst case scenario. And if for some reason the Devils were to actually make him available, it would be likely they'd only do it for the actual games (exhibition + tournament), which means he'd probably miss around 2 weeks.
Hughes would have the chance to dominate again against players his own age and there’s literally no downside to that.
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Yes, there is downside and it's much larger than the potential upside. Jack's dominated against players his own age his whole life. He has little to gain playing against juniors and a lot to lose. Campbell's whole premise is Jack needs confidence (which isn't his primary issue), but what if he went to the tournament and didn't dominate as everyone - including himself - would expect? How would that help him? And even if he did dominate, in Ken's scenario, he'd be returning to the NHL Devils (dumpster fire) or the AHL Devils (also a dumpster fire). How is an 18 year old rookie possibly dominating a junior tournament to gain confidence going to single-handedly turn around 1 of 2 dumpster fires, depending on where he ends up in Ken's scenario, in order to not immediately lose that jolt of confidence?

The most painful part of this article is how it doesn't even address the biggest source of Hughes's "struggles" - his physical immaturity. What he needs is what everyone knew he'd need - time to physically mature. Playing in a junior tournament doesn't help that.
 
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Dodospice said:
His minutes have been low of late and I know it’s being pushed up by some other games but he’s averaging nearly 15 minutes a night on the season.. 4 points in his last 5 games, it makes it tough to send a guy to the AHL/release him for this tournament regardless of his minutes if he’s producing. I don’t think his development is being stifled by playing 12-14 minutes a night, he seems to me like the type of player that’s NHL ready and benefits more from playing NHL minutes (even if it’s in a limited role) then he does going down to the AHL.
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I don’t think any 19 year old benefits from 12-14 minutes per game over 20 in the AHL.

What Winnipeg is doing with Gustafsson is an abomination, and he doesn’t even get 12-14 minutes per game.
 
Dodospice said:
His minutes have been low of late and I know it’s being pushed up by some other games but he’s averaging nearly 15 minutes a night on the season.. 4 points in his last 5 games, it makes it tough to send a guy to the AHL/release him for this tournament regardless of his minutes if he’s producing. I don’t think his development is being stifled by playing 12-14 minutes a night, he seems to me like the type of player that’s NHL ready and benefits more from playing NHL minutes (even if it’s in a limited role) then he does going down to the AHL.
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His TOI change is that he's not on the PP in his last 6 games as Frost is getting that time right now and Farabee could easily start to get that time back. His even strength TOI is still the same. If/when that drops off, maybe you start to think there's a chance he's made available for the WJC. But as of now, he's still taking a regular even strength shift (not on the 4th line) and producing offensively as you note. If those things don't change, I don't think there's any reason to consider Farabee as an option. What's "best" for his development regarding minutes played is a bit beside the point.
 
Roster should be coming out this week. The only thing I'd change about my previously projected camp roster would be to add Shane Pinto and remove 1 of Lindmark or Pivonka. Lindmark has more upside, but I think they'll opt to bring along Pivonka instead since he's 19 and it's going to likely be a young forward group already.

I'd rather bring along another RHD and/or a higher upside left-handed d-man like Jayden Struble instead of Krygier or Stastney. I just don't see a place for Stastney on this team as all players he's competing with are just much better versions of him. Krygier is good at what he does (shutdown d-man) and while I don't think that's an obvious need on the team, especially one loaded with LHD, I think he'll probably get a look nonetheless.

I don't have any off-the-board picks though and USAH seems to almost always have at least one of them at camp. Last year it was Michael Callahan, the year before that it was Cole Hults and Hugh McGing, and so on.

Who are some of the off-the-board guys folks think may find their way to camp? Ryan Roth? Hunter Skinner? Matt Kessel? The latter two are RHD and this team could use more RHD's in contention with only Emberson (having a slow start), Regula (having a strong start but it's London and he has no USAH history) and Wilde (litany of red flags: poor WJSS, basically just started his season after injury, USAH not seemingly a fan, etc.) as obvious contenders. I haven't seen much beyond highlights though of Skinner or Kessel though. Has anyone seen them enough this year to say? Realistic options? Skinner seems more likely a target next year and while Kessel was a bit under the radar for UMass (joined right before the season), he's apparently been a revelation for them. Coach Carvel called him their most impressive freshman (high praise considering Zac Jones is also on the team).

William H Bonney said:
We're a decent way into the hockey season and also about ~3 weeks away from the December camp roster being released, so it feels like a good time to attempt a guess at that roster. As always, I try to find a balance between what I'd do versus what I think USAH will do. A lot can change in 3 weeks, so I may alter this a bit in early December, but for now, let's see how wrong I can get it.

Forwards (x16):

John Beecher
Matthew Boldy
Bobby Brink
Cole Caufield
Jack Drury
Parker Ford
Jonathan Gruden
Curtis Hall
Trevor Janicke
Arthur Kaliyev
Owen Lindmark
Jacob Pivonka
Nic Robertson
Alex Turcotte
Oliver Wahlstrom
Trevor Zegras

Defense (x10):

Ty Emberson
Jordan Harris
Ryan Johnson
Zac Jones
Christian Krygier
K'Andre Miller
Alec Regula
Mattias Samuelsson
Spencer Stastney
Cam York

Goalies (x3):

Spencer Knight
Isaiah Saville
Dustin Wolf
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Notes:
  • # of invitees estimated based on last 2 preliminary camp totals (2019 - 29, 2018 - 28)
  • Unavailable: Jack Hughes, Joel Farabee
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    • I think Wahlstrom gets released. He's not ready for the NHL and Bridgeport is a nightmare in the AHL, so the couple of weeks away should be good for his development. If the Islanders are wavering, there's always the option that he skips the preliminary camp but plays in the tournament.
    • Overall, nothing too out of the ordinary. Lindmark was an early cut at the WJSS, but I think he's done enough to earn a second look as a possible 4th line center. Ford was likely a bubble invite after the WJSS, but he's been excellent thus far at Providence. All the other guys are fairly obvious as likely invitees.
    • I wouldn't be surprised to see Robert Mastrosimone or Patrick Moynihan at camp. I'd prefer leaving one of the potential bottom 6 guys (Gruden, Drury, Ford, Hall, Janicke, Pivonka, Lindmark) home to get a look at Mastrosimone instead, but on my camp roster, there's only 7 nineteen year old forwards and Wahlstrom is the only a guaranteed fit for a scoring line (if he's available), so I'm not sold that USAH will leave home a bubble 19 year old to see a bubble 18 year old.
    • Is Ryan Roth a possible "off-the-wall" pick? I've only seen highlights, but he's a skilled player having a nice season.
    • I don't think Shane Pinto or Blake McLaughlin have done enough - both at the WJSS and in the NCAA this season - to warrant looks.
  • Defense:
    • For the most part, I think this is an easy group of invitees to pick. Basically all the guys that were on the final WJSS roster sans Bode Wilde, while adding Alec Regula who missed the WJSS with an injury.
    • I think choosing which LHD make the team (not which ones play the LHD spot though) is going to be the hardest decision of them all. Miller, Samuelsson, and York are all locks and Jones, Johnson, and Harris all deserve to be there too. That would leave just one spot for a RHD (unless they go 12f and 8d, which they never do) and I think you have to take at least 2 RHD assuming you have 2 deserving choices. Johnson offers the least in the way of points of the Jones/Johnson/Harris trio, but he's also the best defensively and a potential returnee next year. This is the battle I'll be following the most.
    • Wilde just returned last night from injury for his first game for Bridgeport. I think he'll need to have a really good 2+ weeks in the AHL to get an invite. I don't think he's a difference maker at the WJC, but it would be nice to have another RHD possibly in the mix if he's playing well.
    • Is Hunter Skinner a possible "off-the-wall" pick? The team needs RHD options and he's having a nice season in London. He's more a guy to watch for next year, but USAH has made more shocking selections than he would be.
  • Goalies:
    • Easiest decisions on the team. These 3 should all be locks and I hope they're honest with Saville that at most he may get to dress as the backup one time when they give Knight break and let him decide if he'd rather stay and play with UNO (he'd miss anywhere from 4-6 games if he went to the WJC) instead since he's not eligible to return next year.
    • The only other name I've seen thrown around is DeRidder, but he was awful at the WJSS, he's a backup at Michigan St., he hasn't been good in the game action he's seen with the Spartans this year, and he's not eligible to return. Why bother?
    • I'd rather bring along an '02 goalie than Saville, but I'm not sure there's anyone deserving. Maybe Tucker Tynan from Niagara? I haven't seen him play this year, but I've heard he's been pretty good for them and stole their #1 role.
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Farabee is not going to be released If flyers dont send him to Lehigh Valley. I dont think its going to happen. He would be released from AHL tho.

Thinking that Jack Hughes could be there is day dreaming and nothing else. It could be good confidence boost for him but its not going to happen.

I think it could be right time to contact Jacob Perreault. USA Hockey least should try to bring him to December camp. Obviously we dont know what conversations there has been between those parties. Maybe he has already said no for rest of his career.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I don’t think any 19 year old benefits from 12-14 minutes per game over 20 in the AHL.

What Winnipeg is doing with Gustafsson is an abomination, and he doesn’t even get 12-14 minutes per game.
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Luckily playing 12-14 minutes a night is a lot different then playing 6. You don’t have to look far to see a lot of players that played 12-14 minutes a night at 19 years old who’ve turned themselves into high end NHLers. Just like you wouldn’t have to look far to find examples of ones who failed. You can’t make blanket statements like that because no two players are the same in their development, you have to actually watch the guys play and make a determination that way. Having seen Farabee play, I think he’s better off in the NHL playing 12-14 minutes a night (so long as he doesn’t fall to the 4th line) then he is playing in the AHL.
 
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William H Bonney said:
Roster should be coming out this week. The only thing I'd change about my previously projected camp roster would be to add Shane Pinto and remove 1 of Lindmark or Pivonka. Lindmark has more upside, but I think they'll opt to bring along Pivonka instead since he's 19 and it's going to likely be a young forward group already.

I'd rather bring along another RHD and/or a higher upside left-handed d-man like Jayden Struble instead of Krygier or Stastney. I just don't see a place for Stastney on this team as all players he's competing with are just much better versions of him. Krygier is good at what he does (shutdown d-man) and while I don't think that's an obvious need on the team, especially one loaded with LHD, I think he'll probably get a look nonetheless.

I don't have any off-the-board picks though and USAH seems to almost always have at least one of them at camp. Last year it was Michael Callahan, the year before that it was Cole Hults and Hugh McGing, and so on.

Who are some of the off-the-board guys folks think may find their way to camp? Ryan Roth? Hunter Skinner? Matt Kessel? The latter two are RHD and this team could use more RHD's in contention with only Emberson (having a slow start), Regula (having a strong start but it's London and he has no USAH history) and Wilde (litany of red flags: poor WJSS, basically just started his season after injury, USAH not seemingly a fan, etc.) as obvious contenders. I haven't seen much beyond highlights though of Skinner or Kessel though. Has anyone seen them enough this year to say? Realistic options? Skinner seems more likely a target next year and while Kessel was a bit under the radar for UMass (joined right before the season), he's apparently been a revelation for them. Coach Carvel called him their most impressive freshman (high praise considering Zac Jones is also on the team).
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I believe Harris played a faired amount on the right side last season in the NCAA, this could potentially give him a spot due to versatility. Don't know Jones/Johnson very well.
 
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