2020 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread II

[rypper]

I dont see any scenario where the Canucks don't pay whatever markstrom and his agent want, they have all the leverage. The Canucks without markstrom would be a lottery team next year.

If Jim wasn't making moves to save his job (my opinion) the move to make might be to let Markstrom walk and go with Demko and a cheap back up. Use the money saved to try to improve the defense.

You'll undoubtedly have a down year (and might bring about some firings in the front office which is why it won't happen) but it might provide some money in the long term to improve the defense and future flexibility to get the Pettersson/Hughes deals done.

You do this if you have faith in Demko and/or you don't like the idea of paying Markstrom 6+ into his mid 30's.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Proposal: Jake Virtanen + Podkolzin for a young future Edler replacement.

Disclaimer: I love Pod and JV and so please don’t accuse me of hating on them or having given up on them. In order to receive something of value, you have to give something of value.

Let us also operate under the following assumptions:

1) The Canucks fully intend to re-sign Tyler Toffoli.

2) The Canucks want to keep Boeser here for both short term and long term.

3) If the Canucks have both Boeser and Toffoli here on RW for the long term, we’ll have too big a logjam on that right side and so perhaps we’d be better off allocating our assets into other positions (hence, my suggestion of packaging JV and Pod).

4) The Canucks do not, and likely will not, have a “heir apparent” to Edler in terms of the Canucks having a top pairing “all situations” defenseman when the Canucks move on from Edler in a few years.

My proposal:

1) Joel Edmundson replaces Chris Tanev
2) Tryamkin replaces Stecher
3) #WelcomeRafferty
4) Podkolzin and Virtanen get traded for this young future “Edler replacement.” (Whom this player or prospect is, I have no idea).

Future Canucks’ defense:

Hughes-#EdlerReplacement
Edmundson-Rafferty
Tryamkin-Myers

 

[PavelBure10]

Not sure if we have the assets to acquire a very good young defenseman, but Vince Dunn would be my target of choice.
I wonder what St Louis would want for him? Probably a lot...

 

[Horse McHindu]

Not sure if we have the assets to acquire a very good young defenseman, but Vince Dunn would be my target of choice.
I wonder what St Louis would want for him? Probably a lot...

Why not just sign Joel Edmundson in the off-season for free if we’re talking St.Louis?

I think a package of Podkolzin and Virtanen would garner some serious attention as far as having a viable Edler replacement goes (I’d be willing to move Pod and Virtanen IF we can re-sign Toffoli).

 

[Blue and Green]

Why not just sign Joel Edmundson in the off-season for free if we’re talking St.Louis?

Because he plays for Carolina?

 

[Horse McHindu]

Because he plays for Carolina?

Oof.



I had forgotten about that trade.

You are correct.

 

[Blue and Green]

Not sure if we have the assets to acquire a very good young defenseman, but Vince Dunn would be my target of choice.
I wonder what St Louis would want for him? Probably a lot...

I like Vince Dunn but the real need is on the right side.

 

[Cogburn]

I wonder what the cost on a player like Subban or Benn or Weber would be. High cap hit, but if we could include Eriksson and Sutter as part of the return, I think we'd still could come out ahead.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I wonder what the cost on a player like Subban or Benn or Weber would be. High cap hit, but if we could include Eriksson and Sutter as part of the return, I think we'd still could come out ahead.

As in Shea Weber? We don't have anywhere near the pieces we'd be willing to part with to entice Montreal. Frankly, their defense is worse than ours—which is saying something.

Subban is probably doable though as much as I love the guy, he's a massive risk at this point. On the one hand, I think he'd benefit a lot from playing on a team with much better upside than New Jersey. Plus if he and Hughes gel, they'd make for a damn good offensive dynamic on the backend. On the other though... Subban has been trending pretty bad the last couple years. Given he only has two years left though, it wouldn't be a bad gamble even if he didn't work out. It'd really come down to how much New Jersey would want. I doubt they take both Eriksson and Sutter though.

 

[Cogburn]

As in Shea Weber? We don't have anywhere near the pieces we'd be willing to part with to entice Montreal. Frankly, their defense is worse than ours—which is saying something.

Subban is probably doable though as much as I love the guy, he's a massive risk at this point. On the one hand, I think he'd benefit a lot from playing on a team with much better upside than New Jersey. Plus if he and Hughes gel, they'd make for a damn good offensive dynamic on the backend. On the other though... Subban has been trending pretty bad the last couple years. Given he only has two years left though, it wouldn't be a bad gamble even if he didn't work out. It'd really come down to how much New Jersey would want. I doubt they take both Eriksson and Sutter though.

We have the pieces, but it's a matter of what we can part with. My understanding was that fans were worried about his contract.

Sutter has a year left in his deal, and they're looking for 3 line calibre players is my understanding (he wouldn't add value but would simply remove cap for us). Eriksson is 6x3 instead of Subban's 9x2, so it would come down to Subban's risky play versus Eriksson's....terrible play. Obviously if we included both, we'd be paying a premium, but I meant (and clearly didn't type) we move them either in that trade or otherwise.

Perhaps Myers being included could be of mutual interest, if we have someone else on the right side line up? I still don't have a problem with Myers' contract yet, but as others have pointed out it's the later years that some are fearing.

 

[Blue and Green]

Eriksson is 6x3 instead of Subban's 9x2

Loui only has two more years on his contract.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

We have the pieces, but it's a matter of what we can part with. My understanding was that fans were worried about his contract.

Sutter has a year left in his deal, and they're looking for 3 line calibre players is my understanding (he wouldn't add value but would simply remove cap for us). Eriksson is 6x3 instead of Subban's 9x2, so it would come down to Subban's risky play versus Eriksson's....terrible play. Obviously if we included both, we'd be paying a premium, but I meant (and clearly didn't type) we move them either in that trade or otherwise.

Perhaps Myers being included could be of mutual interest, if we have someone else on the right side line up? I still don't have a problem with Myers' contract yet, but as others have pointed out it's the later years that some are fearing.

Not any we would want to give up. Montreal values Weber extremely highly. They'd want either a young defensemen or center. Needless to say, ours aren't going anywhere lol

Ideally, the league allows at least one compliance buyout which could make things much more interesting. Buyout Eriksson and see if can dump Sutter and Baertschi with picks/prospects onto New Jersey—with the idea being at least one could be flipped later in the year for more assets, especially since NJ can give Baertschi more ice time than we will.

Unfortunately, it really wouldn't work cap wise unless we let one of Toffoli, Tanev or Markstrom walk. If the league allowed two compliance buyouts, then things get a bit more interesting since we could get out of Beagle, Roussel or Ferland's contracts.

Of course, including Myers offsets this problem but I doubt management will want to move him after only signing him a year prior.

 

[Cogburn]

Loui only has two more years on his contract.

You're right, I misread his contract status.

 

[Cogburn]

Not any we would want to give up. Montreal values Weber extremely highly. They'd want either a young defensemen or center. Needless to say, ours aren't going anywhere lol

Ideally, the league allows at least one compliance buyout which could make things much more interesting. Buyout Eriksson and see if can dump Sutter and Baertschi with picks/prospects onto New Jersey—with the idea being at least one could be flipped later in the year for more assets, especially since NJ can give Baertschi more ice time than we will.

Unfortunately, it really wouldn't work cap wise unless we let one of Toffoli, Tanev or Markstrom walk. If the league allowed two compliance buyouts, then things get a bit more interesting since we could get out of Beagle, Roussel or Ferland's contracts.

Of course, including Myers offsets this problem but I doubt management will want to move him after only signing him a year prior.

I will defer to what Montreal is thinking, I can't say I'm familiar enough with the team to justify my original position, just an idea though.

Detroit, Buffalo and Ottawa would also be alright landing places for Sutter or Baertschi, assuming of course they don't fill the needs of a bottom six center or a middle six offensive winger through free agency.

If we went after a more...decorated...expensive Dman (a Doughty, Ekblad, Karlsson, etc) I wouldn't have a problem losing assets, but for Subban I can't justify losing Toffoli, Markstrom or Tanev. If we move Sutter, Eriksson and Baertschi we can likely fit in all four, as well as having some room for our unmentioned RFAs. It's another thing to actually implement a plan like that, but moving those three, and possibly some of the three you mentioned (Beagle, Roussel or Ferland), or Myers (who I am happy to hold onto, but other are thinking we can get positive assets for him, and the length of his contract is worrying some as well). I think if teams got two buy outs, Subban could be available as a UFA potentially as well, but if we could walk out of two longer term contracts....we're going to be heavily invested in UFA this summer.

 

[tradervik]

If the Canucks can show some patience, they should be able to acquire at least one good young defenceman as teams with good depth will feel pressure to deal a player to avoid losing him for nothing to Seattle. Take Tampa for example, if they wind up protecting Hedman and Shattenkirk, they'll have only one slot left to protect either Sergachev or Cernak. Carolina is another team that will have to expose some good players for the draft.

It won't be cheap and will take some creativity but it's not as impossible as it would be under normal circumstances.

 

[Cogburn]

We have 18 million in cap space to resign our guys.

We can boost that up to 20+ million trading Eriksson for Ryan at 50% (as proposed by Sens fans) We gain 2.375 in cap space, and Ottawa saves actual money (even with the retention) taking Eriksson on.

Seems like a win-win, and Ryan at 3.625 million would be a lot easier to move if we had to.

Toffoli and Markstrom I'd say will get around 6 million for 4-5 years each. Gaudette, Virtanen, MacEwen, Motte are all due for some raises. We can take what ever we have left to fill in our right side D, either bringing back Tanev and/or Stecher, or bringing in someone new. All the sudden theres a lot less pressure on our cap situation.

 

[UK Canuck]

I like Vince Dunn but the real need is on the right side.

we've got needs all over the defence, we've got 1 legit top 4 defenseman for the long term(Hughes) Rathbone is a talented prospect, but far from a guarantee, same with Jett Woo, we need more long term certainty on both sides of the defence

 

[Blue and Green]

we've got needs all over the defence, we've got 1 legit top 4 defenseman for the long term(Hughes) Rathbone is a talented prospect, but far from a guarantee, same with Jett Woo, we need more long term certainty on both sides of the defence

Biggest need is first-pair RHD for the long haul and that's what the best tradeable assets should be used to get.

 

[rypper]

Sean Day is in the process of being waived/ bought out by the rangers. He was a defenseman who previously was granted exceptional status to play junior early.

Maybe a change of scenery would do him well? Or is there something else there I'm not aware of.

I'm guessing there's pretty much a hold on any incoming players with the cap uncertainty moving forward though.

 

[Orr4Norris]

I think people are underestimating what the UFA season may look like. There is the much talked about flat cap... but there is another far greater issue for UFAs. How many owners are going to want to write a cheque whenever free agency kicks off? And how many are going to want to be as far away from the cap ceiling as they can get? We keep throwing around pre-Covid numbers, but are there really going to be a lot of owners out there looking to increase payroll? And the ones that might are likely the ones already at the cap ceiling.

We don’t even know if there will be fans in the buildings for next season. And if there are, how curtailed will attendance be? State and Provincial laws may severely restrict numbers. And even if by some miracle they can fill all their stadiums... will they? The recession is real and there will be less disposable income to go around. Not to mention, the threat of another wave and another round of restrictions. It’s hard to see how the NHL won’t see a significant drop of revenue when play resumes.

I think there is a good chance we’ll see players retiring earlier than usual (especially if they are near the end and face the prospect of having to quarantine from family or play for a significant pay cut), others not even offered a contract, and others signing a one year deal for far less than they had hoped. I think there will be quite a few owners willing to gamble on a young ELC player rather than writing a large cheque.

 

[tradervik]

Sean Day seems to be an ECHL level player. Amazing to think he was granted "exceptional" status to play in the OHL as a 15 year old. A big guy who can skate, maybe he'll find a way to regenerate his career but he seems to lack the necessary work ethic and desire.

 

[Horse McHindu]

1) Podkolzin for Dobson
2) Virtanen for Colton Sissons
3) Tanev let go
4) Gaudette for a pick
5) Sutter traded with 50% retention
6) Baertschi traded at 50% retention
7) Eriksson retires

Miller-Pettersson-Toffoli
Pearson-Horvat-Boeser
Ferland-Sissons-Leivo
Motte-Beagle-MacEwan

Edler-Dobson
Hughes-Myers
Tryamkin-Stecher

Markstrom
Demko

 

[Bad Goalie]

1) Podkolzin for Dobson
2) Virtanen for Colton Sissons
3) Tanev let go
4) Gaudette for a pick
5) Sutter traded with 50% retention
6) Baertschi traded at 50% retention
7) Eriksson retires

Miller-Pettersson-Toffoli
Pearson-Horvat-Boeser
Ferland-Sissons-Leivo
Motte-Beagle-MacEwan

Edler-Dobson
Hughes-Myers
Tryamkin-Stecher

Markstrom
Demko

I know we all deplore the grammar/spelling checks, but if you are going to keep throwing around the names of the players, the least you can do is learn the correct spelling of their names. You continually type MacEwan. The spelling is MacEwen.

Thanks and sorry.

 

[Kryten]

Demko seems the likeliest to be traded for a D

 

[HockeyWooot]

In a theoretical scenario where Jack Eichel becomes more disgruntled with the Sabres and asks for a trade, would you push to get him and what would we be able to offer?