2020 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread II

[HockeyWooot]

Where are you heading this on the Panthers? Interesting.

I could have sworn I saw this on the main board or trade rumours section. Believe Elliott Friedman threw it out there.

 

[tradervik]

I could have sworn I saw this on the main board or trade rumours section. Believe Elliott Friedman threw it out there.

I believe this is the source. As I recall, the rumour is that Panthers ownership is looking to cut costs and won't be spending to the cap next season. If true, they won't be signing any expensive UFAs and might part ways with RFA Weegar.

 

[rypper]

There was also something I remember catching wind of on twitter. Where some of their highly touted European prospects are all high tailing it out of Springfield I can't recall exactly if it was them washing out, or because of the coaching, or something in between.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Borgstrom could be a good depth pick up at C, our C depth is lacking a lot now in the younger players with Madden gone

Borgstrom seems like Gaudette: Good offensive upside, but lacks definition in his play at C. He's the type of player that is headed toward flaming out without a significant leap forward. Or, at least a shift to a less demanding position. Still, worth a flyer if you're getting rid of a low end asset like Tryamkin, for instance.

The other issue with Borgstrom is that he will need, essentially, Gaudette's spot to develop. Yeah, does not seem likely.

 

[Hansen]

Borgstrom seems like Gaudette: Good offensive upside, but lacks definition in his play at C. He's the type of player that is headed toward flaming out without a significant leap forward. Or, at least a shift to a less demanding position. Still, worth a flyer if you're getting rid of a low end asset like Tryamkin, for instance.

The other issue with Borgstrom is that he will need, essentially, Gaudette's spot to develop. Yeah, does not seem likely.

Team seemed pretty committed to shipping Gaudette out at the deadline and flippant about him making it, I dont think hes as set in stone as one may think

 

[Bleach Clean]

Team seemed pretty committed to shipping Gaudette out at the deadline and flippant about him making it, I dont think hes as set in stone as one may think

I remember rumours to that effect, yes. Risky to deal a 46 PPG forward in his breakout season though. That's a tough trade to make and win.

Maybe Gaudette for a young RHD, then other assets for Borgstrom? Virtanen moved? Those two forwards, along with Boeser, are players I can see being traded for defensemen help. However, I would not advocate for trading Boeser right now.

 

[tradervik]

Team seemed pretty committed to shipping Gaudette out at the deadline and flippant about him making it, I dont think hes as set in stone as one may think

Was there anything more than Patrick Johnston's tweet saying something along the line of "I've heard Adam Gaudette's name whispered in a couple of places"? Not exactly a strong indicator of a team committed to shipping him out.

On the other hand it's certainly something you can see the team doing. Maybe they think Gaudette isn't a fit or might get too expensive (ah the irony). It would be very painful to see the team relying on Sutter and Beagle as the 3rd and 4th line centres.

If you like Borgstrom, how about a deal with the Panthers that sends out Gaudette and brings in Borgstrom and Mackenzie Weegar.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Borgstrom and gaudette seem like a wash to me... would rather just keep gaudette. At least we know what we are getting and that he fits into our mix. But would definitely be on-board getting weegar.

 

[Zippy316]

Would the Canucks be interested at all in taking on Schneider in return for the Devils taking on Baertschi + Eriksson?

A lot harder to hide an overpaid goaltender than a forward, but Devils might exhaust all avenues to avoid buying out Schneider if they are going down that road.

Real cash wouldn't hurt the Devils too much if it is after Eriksson's bonus on July 1st. Devils take the extra body and the higher AAV in exchange for the Canucks taking on Schneider.

 

[tradervik]

Trade Gaudette and go after Zemgus Girgensons or Johan Larsson if one or both decide to test free agency.

 

[vanuck]

Would the Canucks be interested at all in taking on Schneider in return for the Devils taking on Baertschi + Eriksson?

A lot harder to hide an overpaid goaltender than a forward, but Devils might exhaust all avenues to avoid buying out Schneider if they are going down that road.

Real cash wouldn't hurt the Devils too much if it is after Eriksson's bonus on July 1st. Devils take the extra body and the higher AAV in exchange for the Canucks taking on Schneider.

I'd think long and hard about this even though I'm unsure at the moment. We basically get rid of Baertschi's cap hit for the price of being unable to hide a goalie, which might sound unpleasant but may actually be easier to swallow than the looming cap crunch we're about to face. Tempting as of right now.

 

[Zippy316]

I'd think long and hard about this even though I'm unsure at the moment. We basically get rid of Baertschi's cap hit for the price of being unable to hide a goalie, which might sound unpleasant but may actually be easier to swallow than the looming cap crunch we're about to face. Tempting as of right now.

The hiding the goalie part is the main incentive for NJ. Don't think we can afford to take the risk of Schneider not rebounding anymore.

It's an interesting framework for a deal. Complicated and very much a cap deal, but think it could work well for both sides. Devils might also give Baertschi a thorough shot next year and Eriksson could be a decent role player on the fourth line.

EDIT: If Canucks have a serious cap crunch, Schneider's buyout is much more team-friendly as well even this off-season. It's a consistent 2 million over the next four years. Eriksson would be 5.66 in 2020-21, 3.66 in 2021-2022, and then .666 in 2022-23 and 2023-24. After next season, Eriksson would be 4.0 in 2021-2022 and 1.0 in 2022-2023.

If you're thinking why don't the Devils just buy him out instead, the Devils end up paying only 400k extra to take on Eriksson & Baertschi total. Next year, if the trade is made after Eriksson's bonus is paid out, Devils are only paying 3.4 million in salary. They can also re-evalauate at the end of 2020-21 whether they want to buy out Eriksson and gain the extra roster spot.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Trade Gaudette and go after Zemgus Girgensons or Johan Larsson if one or both decide to test free agency.

Keep Gaudette and do this. Both these guys would be huge upgrades on Beagle.

 

[vancityluongo]

Would the Canucks be interested at all in taking on Schneider in return for the Devils taking on Baertschi + Eriksson?

A lot harder to hide an overpaid goaltender than a forward, but Devils might exhaust all avenues to avoid buying out Schneider if they are going down that road.

Real cash wouldn't hurt the Devils too much if it is after Eriksson's bonus on July 1st. Devils take the extra body and the higher AAV in exchange for the Canucks taking on Schneider.

If Markstrom for some reason is asking way too much (like anything above 7M or more than 5 years), I'd absolutely do this.

Alternatively, if the market for Demko is strong, would also consider this.

 

[tradervik]

Would the Canucks be interested at all in taking on Schneider in return for the Devils taking on Baertschi + Eriksson?

A lot harder to hide an overpaid goaltender than a forward, but Devils might exhaust all avenues to avoid buying out Schneider if they are going down that road.

Real cash wouldn't hurt the Devils too much if it is after Eriksson's bonus on July 1st. Devils take the extra body and the higher AAV in exchange for the Canucks taking on Schneider.

The Devils would save $4,600,000 cash since Baertschi and Eriksson will be collectively owed $7,400,000 after Eriksson's bonus is paid out vs $12,000,000 for Schneider. The difference is even bigger if you assume that Baertschi and Eriksson will occupy roster spots. If cash savings is the motive to move Schneider, the Canucks will want something more to make that deal (e.g. a draft pick).

The big problem is that the Canucks need to create cap space and this trade doesn't do it. Schneider can be bought out, and that helps in the short term, but it leaves a $2,000,000 x 2 year hangover for the Canucks when they will need to extend Hughes and Pettersson.

 

[Bad Goalie]

If Markstrom for some reason is asking way too much (like anything above 7M or more than 5 years), I'd absolutely do this.

Alternatively, if the market for Demko is strong, would also consider this.

You do realize that Schneider sucks now and that's why NJ is trying to dump him for anything they can get to get his money off their roster? So he becomes Vancouver's #2? Man, the way the backups before Demko (and for some he's been included) were denigrated by the fan base on this site I can't believe Schneider would be an acceptable fit. He's not even a shadow of the the goalie Vancouver fans remember. If Markstrom is moved or goes UFA, are you ready to hand Demko 60+ games and Schneider 25 or so? He also is owed 2 more seasons at $6 mil each according to CapFriendly. That's an awful lot of money to pay a washed up backup when your team is in cap trouble to begin with.

 

[Canucks LB]

I think there is a good chance teams will get a compliance buyout, maybe even two.

If that's the case, it's pretty obvious who we choose, and signing toffoli and marky will be way easier.

 

[dbaz]

hughes, edler, tanev(assuming re-signed), stecher, myers, benn, rathbone, tryamkin, rafferty, juolevi.

what do you do with them?
assuming theres brisebois, woo, eliot, teves and one of chatfield/sautner(re-signed) already fighting for spots in utica

 

[vancityluongo]

You do realize that Schneider sucks now and that's why NJ is trying to dump him for anything they can get to get his money off their roster? So he becomes Vancouver's #2? Man, the way the backups before Demko (and for some he's been included) were denigrated by the fan base on this site I can't believe Schneider would be an acceptable fit. He's not even a shadow of the the goalie Vancouver fans remember. If Markstrom is moved or goes UFA, are you ready to hand Demko 60+ games and Schneider 25 or so? He also is owed 2 more seasons at $6 mil each according to CapFriendly. That's an awful lot of money to pay a washed up backup when your team is in cap trouble to begin with.

I know he sucks. But he doesn't have an NMC, and if it comes down to it, you can send him to Utica, at which point he retires. Could do the same to Eriksson, but this way you're getting Baertschi off the books for free. It's not like I was suggesting trading an asset or taking on any more cap for Schneider to be the backup.

Definitely would not want the team in a competitive state to just roll with Demko and Schneider, but that was considering a scenario where Markstrom prices himself off the team.

 

[Zippy316]

The Devils would save $4,600,000 cash since Baertschi and Eriksson will be collectively owed $7,400,000 after Eriksson's bonus is paid out vs $12,000,000 for Schneider. The difference is even bigger if you assume that Baertschi and Eriksson will occupy roster spots. If cash savings is the motive to move Schneider, the Canucks will want something more to make that deal (e.g. a draft pick).

The big problem is that the Canucks need to create cap space and this trade doesn't do it. Schneider can be bought out, and that helps in the short term, but it leaves a $2,000,000 x 2 year hangover for the Canucks when they will need to extend Hughes and Pettersson.

I should have been more clear. I meant the Devils taking on both players rather than buying out Schneider would be a net difference of 400k (Schneider’s buyout cost being 8 million and Eriksson & Baertschi contracts pay out 8.4 for the remainder of their contracts). Devils owners shouldn’t have an issue paying players so this wouldn’t be a cost cutting move. I would think the Devils would prefer to do it after the bonus but doesn’t have to be the case.

Just an interesting scenario to think about. It’s a way for Canucks to free up some cap space and if they were to go the buyout route to free up more, Schneider is a much friendlier buyout. Devils may prefer eating the higher AAV cost now to get out of Schneider’s deal.

 

[HockeyWooot]

Future hypothetical scenario in 3 years- our young forwards continue to improve (Petey, Boes, Jake, Gauds) and new prospects on ELC, would we ever consider Miller as 3C?

It is not lost on me that he was our best forward this year, though there is a high likelihood he is peaking while our top young forwards surpass that level.

If PPG is not his new norm (I hope it is though) but production drops slightly to the 50-60pt range which is being matched by some of our up mining young players, would it be worth getting Gaudette into the top6 as a wing?

Hypothetical top 9 (2022-23):

Podkolzin Pettersson Boeser
Gaudette Horvat Virtanen
Pearson Miller (Hoglander/Mac/Lind)

PP:

Miller Horvat Boeser
Hughes Pettersson

Podkolzin Gaudette Virtanen
Edler (Rathbone)

I would imagine the top nine ice time distribution would be a bit more evened out, in addition to deployment with less sheltering. As we saw with Kesler, having a strong 3C to take the heavy loads opens up the second line which I imagine could be the case for Horvat.

I suppose you could also swap Horvat and Miller depending on how they progress and produce over the next few years.

Obviously ALOT of ifs in the scenario, but curious if this makes any sense...or if I’ve gone crazy.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I think there is a good chance teams will get a compliance buyout, maybe even two.

If that's the case, it's pretty obvious who we choose, and signing toffoli and marky will be way easier.

There's zero chance the NHL gives out 62 compliance buyouts.

As far as I can tell there's more fan speculation and rumours about buyouts than anything actually indicating they're being seriously considered, let alone planned for implementation.

 

[Addison Rae]

I'd try and move Gaudette for Gavrikov or Nuutivara from Columbus, they have an abundance of defenders there and I'm really high on Gavrikov.

 

[Bad Goalie]

I know he sucks. But he doesn't have an NMC, and if it comes down to it, you can send him to Utica, at which point he retires. Could do the same to Eriksson, but this way you're getting Baertschi off the books for free. It's not like I was suggesting trading an asset or taking on any more cap for Schneider to be the backup.

Definitely would not want the team in a competitive state to just roll with Demko and Schneider, but that was considering a scenario where Markstrom prices himself off the team.

Schneider was sent down last season and went. He played played 13 in NJ and 14 in AHL Bingo. He won't retire if sent down, he'll simply go $12 mil over the next 2 seasons ain't chump change. He has told the Devils he expects to be ready and wants to keep playing, That's why they are desperately trying to move him. Having a $6 mil AHL goalie isn't high on the list of any NHL's druthers. He still counts against the cap.

I would exactly predict Loui would be any different. Eriksson just might fool everyone and report as well. A paycheck is a paycheck and he hasn't exactly earned any of the ones he's been collecting lately. Based on past experience, Cull would play him so he wouldn't get bored, LOL.

Markstrom has been the key Canuck of late and watching him go puts a real challenge before the Canucks to even match the past season's results, especially if the Tanev and Stecher are gone and Rafferty, Juolevi (lucky to even last there, if in fact he even makes make the team, meaning Brisebois is the player instead), and Rathbone end up Canucks while Tryamkin stays home. 3 rookies and 1 2nd year guy (as good as he is) in the top 7 of an NHL D-corps trying to be make bacon in the playoffs?

* I only list these D guys because I have been seeing them listed as members of the top 7-8 in quite a few mock rosters for next year because of the $$$ crunch.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I dont see any scenario where the Canucks don't pay whatever markstrom and his agent want, they have all the leverage. The Canucks without markstrom would be a lottery team next year.