Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Entry Draft Thread

[Ray Martyniuk]

I still like Alexander Holtz as LA's pick at 4! The kid can score and god knows this team is in dire need of some of them! Having said that they will pick Raymond! But here's a comparison I made...watch Holtz then watch Hakan Loob an Old timer for you youngsters and Oldtimers!

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

For what it's worth lol, right now I have:

1.) Laf
2.) Byfield
3.) Stutzle
4.) Drysdale
5.) Rossi
6.) Jarvis
7.) Holtz
8.) Amirov
9.) Raymond
10.) Sanderson
11.) Lundell
12.) Perfetti

If I was drafting fantasy hockey Perfetti would be top 5. But he seems like a guy that IF he fulfills his potential and his game translates then he's a high scoring 1 way winger that ends up getting paid more than he's worth.

The sweedes are wildcards to me. Every video I watch on them they look good but not amazing. And they play in a tough league and don't produce much. So it's probably just my amateur eyes looking at prospects playing against much tougher competition.

Seth Jarvis is a stud. I really don't understand why he isn't universally ranked higher. Hes elite skater, and uses it... A lot. He plays both ends, produces at an extremely high clip. What am I missing with him? Feel like he is another Turcotte.

Amirov moves the puck so well, plays both ends of the ice, he's really impressive.

I think Jarvis' skating is holding him back. I saw him play a couple of games this year and really he was invisible. At the Top prospects game he looked slow and unsure with the puck during this basically All-Star game! There is 3-4 RWingers I like better

 

[RocketKing]

You can watch the CHL Top Prospects Jr Game from Jan this year on Youtube.



Its nice to see the North American players to get a look at how they compared at least in this game.

It has the usual top guys playing like you'd expect, and I like Rossi allot but I also was impressed with Tyson Foerster. Caden Guhle, and Cormier.

 

[Rusty Batch]

I think Jarvis' skating is holding him back. I saw him play a couple of games this year and really he was invisible. At the Top prospects game he looked slow and unsure with the puck during this basically All-Star game! There is 3-4 RWingers I like better

Jarvis is considered a borderline elite skater. He was second in the WHL in scoring ahead of a guy like Dylan Cozens who was drafted last year and is considered a top 3-5 prospect. Jarvis is second in +- in whl. He was second in goals per game. I believe he is first in primary points in the WHL.

 

[regulate]

Jarvis is considered a borderline elite skater. He was second in the WHL in scoring ahead of a guy like Dylan Cozens who was drafted last year and is considered a top 3-5 prospect. Jarvis is second in +- in whl. He was second in goals per game. I believe he is first in primary points in the WHL.

He's an excellent player and may be flying under the radar a bit. The WHL is the toughest of the CHL leagues to score in too. But I have not seen anyone rankings published that have him in the top ten, it's pretty unanimous that he's ranked in the teens. He may surprise though and go higher, it wouldn't be a huge stretch by any means.

 

[Ja Sports]

New Lucas Raymond hype reel enjoy guys

Took a short break but more videos are coming soon!

 

[Rusty Batch]

He's an excellent player and may be flying under the radar a bit. The WHL is the toughest of the CHL leagues to score in too. But I have not seen anyone rankings published that have him in the top ten, it's pretty unanimous that he's ranked in the teens. He may surprise though and go higher, it wouldn't be a huge stretch by any means.

I agree completely.

But I really think the reason why Seth Jarvis isn't higher is because his draft -1 season was mediocre and left him off everyones list. So he just entered the year off peoples radars and it's hard to overcome that. But I like the guys that show huge growth in one year especially when it comes from earning ice time.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think I may have said this here already but I think the kids from the WHL and playing against men in Euro leagues are getting underrated and the CHL at large getting overrated. Not that they aren't good prospects but that as pointed out scoring in the WHL is lower and the kids in the euro leagues are facing tougher comp AND fewer minutes/opportunities as a whole. Stutlze throws that all out of whack because he's clearly the monster but DEL defending looks worse than even the worst junior leagues, haha. Sort of like the US kids last year--like yes it's a lot of good players but you have to be a little bit wary if theyre ALL drafted high.

And I'll admit I'm just as guilty of this in my ratings of Raymond and Holtz in particular

 

[Lt Dan]

New Lucas Raymond hype reel enjoy guys

Took a short break but more videos are coming soon!

Are you related to Ja Rule?

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Jarvis is considered a borderline elite skater. He was second in the WHL in scoring ahead of a guy like Dylan Cozens who was drafted last year and is considered a top 3-5 prospect. Jarvis is second in +- in whl. He was second in goals per game. I believe he is first in primary points in the WHL.

I'm not trying to be combative but I'm legitimately curious where his skating is considered borderline elite. I've not seen that and my opinion on his skating has been my turn off. I'd love to have my opinion changed.
Thank you.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Now that a rough date is set for the restart, and it's about ~9 weeks away, you have to wonder if they take a run at having an early draft again, they have the month they said they needed and that put them right around the original date.

 

[Rusty Batch]

I'm not trying to be combative but I'm legitimately curious where his skating is considered borderline elite. I've not seen that and my opinion on his skating has been my turn off. I'd love to have my opinion changed.
Thank you.

go to about 5 minutes in on this video. I recommend watching the whole thing tbh. But first few minutes of the clips are all just him skating through teams.

 

[King'sPawn]

Are you related to Ja Rule?

I would bet Seth Ja Rvis is

 

[No Name The Nameless]

go to about 5 minutes in on this video. I recommend watching the whole thing tbh. But first few minutes of the clips are all just him skating through teams.

Not trying to be a downer, just having relevant draft talk about one of my favorite prospects. With that said, I don't subscribe to some YouTube clips that show a few plays without context. He doesn't work well in traffic. If he's not up to speed he can get bumped out of the play all together. I've not read a report that tells me that my eyes are wrong. They all say that he's a ballerina in open ice but handicapped in that department otherwise. I've been actively trying to move him up my boards and searching for reports that praise his skating like you do, which is why I commented.

Long story short is that is he was an elite skater the kid would be in the conversation for top 10.

 

[AnThGrt]

^ Jarvis is an elite skater and one of the top 5-10 in the draft likely. Just somehow doesn't often show. Hockey is all about quick short distances. Most of Jarvis points come from breakaways or similar. As you stated he is like a ballerina and if anything remotely is in the way the skating slows down. He is a great pick in the 11-25 area yet with good reason no where not in a single scouting service is he ranked top 10.

If we dropped to 7 and took him I'd be beyond infuriated. Would be worse than Hickey 4th or Teubert over Karlsson.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Not trying to be a downer, just having relevant draft talk about one of my favorite prospects. With that said, I don't subscribe to some YouTube clips that show a few plays without context. He doesn't work well in traffic. If he's not up to speed he can get bumped out of the play all together. I've not read a report that tells me that my eyes are wrong. They all say that he's a ballerina in open ice but handicapped in that department otherwise. I've been actively trying to move him up my boards and searching for reports that praise his skating like you do, which is why I commented.

Long story short is that is he was an elite skater the kid would be in the conversation for top 10.

I mean you can see the skating is very good. And one of the things that this guy said in this video which I agree with. Is that he plays at a high speed throughout the game, whereas a player like Perfetti really slows the game down. And at the NHL it's often the players that can play at high speeds and make fast decisions that succeed.

I also like Jarvis's two way acumen and the fact that he is so dominant at his level on both ends shows that not only is he a very good skater but he understands how to use it.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Long story short is that is he was an elite skater the kid would be in the conversation for top 10.

I think typical top 10 has:
Laf
Byfield
Stutzle
Drysdale
Rossi
Raymond
Holtz
Perfetti
Lundell
Askarov

When you look at that top 10 list. All of these players had really dynamic Draft-1 seasons. These guys were so far ahead of Jarvis's draft -1 season and it's tough to overcome that.

Regardless of the league they played in Raymond and Holtz did nothing to improve their stock imo, but they maintain their spot. Lundell actually had a good season but he's a bad skater and progression wise it was a drop off from his d-1. Rossi and Perfetti both dominated their leagues and are going to maintain there position even though Jarvis did not have a worse season then either of them. Askarov maintains his top 10 spot after a dissapointing season.

The reality is these guys had great draft -1s and were just about impossible to knock off. Regardless if Jarvis was better or equal to them this season

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I think typical top 10 has:
Laf
Byfield
Stutzle
Drysdale
Rossi
Raymond
Holtz
Perfetti
Lundell
Askarov

When you look at that top 10 list. All of these players had really dynamic Draft-1 seasons. These guys were so far ahead of Jarvis's draft -1 season and it's tough to overcome that.

Regardless of the league they played in Raymond and Holtz did nothing to improve their stock imo, but they maintain their spot. Lundell actually had a good season but he's a bad skater and progression wise it was a drop off from his d-1. Rossi and Perfetti both dominated their leagues and are going to maintain there position even though Jarvis did not have a worse season then either of them. Askarov maintains his top 10 spot after a dissapointing season.

The reality is these guys had great draft -1s and were just about impossible to knock off. Regardless if Jarvis was better or equal to them this season

I'd love to get Jarvis with our second pick. I currently have him at 19th overall. Obviously there are lots of variables to equate.

In regards to the skating, I agree that he has a lot of skating skill but I rarely see it present itself on ice. Speed and cutting are great but he just cannot seem to use it with any level of consistency. It's not even an effort thing. It's certainly mental. THAT scares me

 

[Rusty Batch]

I'd love to get Jarvis with our second pick. I currently have him at 19th overall. Obviously there are lots of variables to equate.

In regards to the skating, I agree that he has a lot of skating skill but I rarely see it present itself on ice. Speed and cutting are great but he just cannot seem to use it with any level of consistency. It's not even an effort thing. It's certainly mental. THAT scares me

I don't get this criticism. What do you mean he doesn't use it? He dominated his league with it as much as anyone dominated their CHL leagues this season.

Are you suggesting that yes he has elite skating, and yes he dominated his league. But his skating was only a small part of it? If that's the case and he can be that productive without using one of his elite tools then doesn't that mean he has even more potential once he adds that in?

I think it's pretty clear that Jarvis uses it, the argument that he has it but doesn't use it, is a strange one to me. Because yesterday it was "his skating is a turn off" now it is something like, "has great speed and edgework but doesn't use it"

 

[kilowatt]

With so many high-profile forwards in this group, I wonder when a run on defenseman shows up (like last year) and where guys like Sanderson, Guhle, and Askarov go. Any of them jump into the top ten?

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I don't get this criticism. What do you mean he doesn't use it? He dominated his league with it as much as anyone dominated their CHL leagues this season.

Are you suggesting that yes he has elite skating, and yes he dominated his league. But his skating was only a small part of it? If that's the case and he can be that productive without using one of his elite tools then doesn't that mean he has even more potential once he adds that in?

I think it's pretty clear that Jarvis uses it, the argument that he has it but doesn't use it, is a strange one to me. Because yesterday it was "his skating is a turn off" now it is something like, "has great speed and edgework but doesn't use it"

He has speed, but that doesn't make a good skater. Good skating is being able to get around defenders, staying on balance while getting a shot off. He doesn't do that. I can't find a scouting report that says he does. However, he has those skills. He has the skating skills. Thus far, he's one of those guys that has a skill that he has not been able to implement. Maybe it's mental. Maybe he has a fear. Maybe it's a lack of willingness. Maybe he doesn't trust that he can beat a defender.

He dominated based off his speed, his IQ and his shot. There is a reason he's ranked where he is. If he was considered a great skater we would be discussing him in the top 10. Sounds like a guy who can be coached up, gain confidence and become a draft steal.

 

[KingsCrown]

With so many high-profile forwards in this group, I wonder when a run on defenseman shows up (like last year) and where guys like Sanderson, Guhle, and Askarov go. Any of them jump into the top ten?

I bet Sanderson goes 8/9. People will reach for D especially if it’s a need ex. Seider, Broberg last year

 

[Ja Sports]

Finally finished the Jack Quinn hype reel purest goal scorer in the draft IMO

Let me know what you guys think

 

[kilowatt]

Finally finished the Jack Quinn hype reel purest goal scorer in the draft IMO

Let me know what you guys think

I love Quinn and there is a zero percent chance we draft him. He’s in that 10-15 sweet spot where the pick is still highly coveted, thus too expensive to move up for, but also too low to reach for. Watch Chicago get him.

 

[ricardfromage]

I think I may have said this here already but I think the kids from the WHL and playing against men in Euro leagues are getting underrated and the CHL at large getting overrated. Not that they aren't good prospects but that as pointed out scoring in the WHL is lower and the kids in the euro leagues are facing tougher comp AND fewer minutes/opportunities as a whole. Stutlze throws that all out of whack because he's clearly the monster but DEL defending looks worse than even the worst junior leagues, haha. Sort of like the US kids last year--like yes it's a lot of good players but you have to be a little bit wary if theyre ALL drafted high.

And I'll admit I'm just as guilty of this in my ratings of Raymond and Holtz in particular

^^^^^^^^^^
I spend the majority of my year involved with a WHL team and I couldn't agree more. The WHL is hands down the toughest league for the most part and it is largely a D first one too. The Q is a joke for the most part and while the CHL is a very good league it isn't always the best one even though it is treated like it is year in and year out.