Pre-Game Talk: 2020 NHL Draft (October 6th - 7th)

[sting101]

Lafreniere is going to Arizona. Taylor hall will still be Yotes property During the phase 2 draft and 1st overalls follow him around like candy.

Never thought about that?Weird actually

 

[Bonham]

They shouldnt get terminated based on what happens in these play-ins.

The team on ice, organizational assets and prospect-pool should be what gets them or doesn't..
No team has played a game for months and thus the play-ins are a complete roll of the dice. IMHO

Termination is just wishful thinking on my part. Reality is they will still be around next season regardless of what happens.

I'll take a consolation of 12.5% at first overall.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

We will lose and then draft the lowest possible because we are the Canucks. The team that defied the “90% of teams that go up 2-0 in the Stanley cup finals win the cup”.

 

[VanJack]

Go figure.....if the Canucks lose to the Wild, they have a 12.5 percent chance of drafting first overall.....if I'm not mistaken, those are better odds than the Canucks had even when they outright sucked the last three seasons.

Poor Detroit. The worst record in the salary-cap era and drop to fourth. Most relieved team, probably the Sharks if their pick deferred to Ottawa had ended up as the first overall draft pick.

Personally I don't believe any of this will matter much.....because the Canucks should take care of the Wild. But pleasant dreams just the same.

In retrospect, thank God Jimbo made the first rounder in the J.T. Miller trade 'conditional', with the right to defer to 2021. Just imagine the revolt in the local market, if the Canucks had dropped their series to the Wild and then against all odds moved into the top overall pick but without their first rounder in 2020. Yikes!

 

[Disappointed EP40]

Be careful what you wish for. If they lose to the Wild and then don't get #1 overall (which is a 87.5% chance of happening) then that first rounder is used next season without being protected. I don't like having that hanging over the team's head especially with not knowing if they'll have Tanev, Markstrom, or Toffoli back. Give me playoffs.

Next year's draft is terrible though.

 

[DFAC]

Looks like tanking is back on the menu boys

 

[timw33]

Who would have predicted that the NHL's plan to try and get people tuned into TV in the middle of a pandemic with a completely half baked and busted lottery system would backfire in the most spectacular fashion possible?

They just made it possible for a 102-point pace #7 in the league ranked Penguins team to win the #1 overall pick. They just made it possible for the Edmonton Oilers to win their 5th #1 pick of the decade while being ranked 9th in the league.

Theres a reason why you do the draft lottery and draft after the season is completed and the final order can be reasonably determined. Now there's a legit gripe/argument to be made that the incentive structure for the Play In teams is completely warped, especially in the middle of a pandemic where you are stuck isolated away from your family as things may be getting worse and worse and have to stay away longer the more you win in a playoffs that could be cancelled at the drop of a hat.

 

[The Vasili Jerry]

Next year's draft is terrible though.

The 2017 draft was supposed to be bad too. Only ended up having Hischier, Heiskanen, Makar, and Pettersson in the top 5.

 

[RandV]

Damn I didn't even realize the lottery had gone by until now

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Damn I didn't even realize the lottery had gone by until now

Same. I then broke out laughing when I saw team placeholder with the #1 pick

 

[President of Hockey]

They just made it possible for a 102-point pace #7 in the league ranked Penguins team to win the #1 overall pick. They just made it possible for the Edmonton Oilers to win their 5th #1 pick of the decade while being ranked 9th in the league.

Theres a reason why you do the draft lottery and draft after the season is completed and the final order can be reasonably determined.

What would be different if they had done the lottery after the season is over? If PIT or EDM lose the play-in round they have a shot at the lottery picks regardless of the timing.

 

[PM]

Absolute goat rodeo. At least the Sens got one top3 pick.

 

[timw33]

What would be different if they had done the lottery after the season is over? If PIT or EDM lose the play-in round they have a shot at the lottery picks regardless of the timing.

102-point pace teams should not be able to win a top-3 pick, period. If the Penguins lose their Play-In round, they're still the 7th ranked team in the NHL and a legit contender—they should not be able to have the season they just had and also come out with Alexis Lafrienniere at the exact time when Crosby/Malkin 3-cup era is starting to wane away.

It's just a totally busted lottery system in general and I think they need to go back to capping out how many spaces you can move up in the draft to around 5-6 so that only true bottom 10ish teams are able to access top talent. Obviously it's a shame that Edmonton was so ****ing bad and won 4 1sts in 6 drafts under that system and essentially forced the league to change it, but the league should have just made it so that a team can only get a #1 pick once every 5 drafts MAX or something.

 

[Egghead1999]

What would be different if they had done the lottery after the season is over? If PIT or EDM lose the play-in round they have a shot at the lottery picks regardless of the timing.

My fd, let me introduce you, monty hall problem. They will not hv 12.5 %

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Tweet from bob McKenzie: Vancouver not eligible for lottery because they were in a playoff spot

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s my understanding it’s the eight worst point percentages OUTSIDE of those teams that were in playoff positions based on point percentages at the pause. So VAN and CGY would have been in the playoffs, hence they would not be lottery teams.</p>&mdash; Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) <a href="">June 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[bobbyb2009]

What would be different if they had done the lottery after the season is over? If PIT or EDM lose the play-in round they have a shot at the lottery picks regardless of the timing.

Isn't the difference that now, if they lose, they have a 12.5 % of winning the pick, but if they had done it after the season with these teams missing the playoffs, they would have gone with traditional odds, and they would have approx 1 %. That is a very different picture, no?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Tweet from bob McKenzie: Vancouver not eligible for lottery because they were in a playoff spot

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s my understanding it’s the eight worst point percentages OUTSIDE of those teams that were in playoff positions based on point percentages at the pause. So VAN and CGY would have been in the playoffs, hence they would not be lottery teams.</p>&mdash; Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) <a href="">June 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can you even read?
“If the play in does not occur”

 

[CloutierForVezina]

if we got 1st OA................I would trade down for Ottawa's 3rd and 5th OA

Taking one of Stutzle/Perfetti/Holtz depending who is there at #3
and taking Drysdale at #5

That is a #1 LW + #1RHD..............all said to be top prospects..........mmmmm, lucky Ottawa!

Trading Laf would be a huge mistake IMO. He's a franchise player through and through, as close to a sure bet as you get in the entry draft. You don't trade those type of players for a handful of lesser prospects.

It's a great trade in years with weak #1 OA picks (RNH, Yak, Hischier, J Hughes), but that is definitely not this year.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

A one in eight chance?
So if there was such a thing as an eight sided die you’d have to pick the right number it lands on. That’s still a long shot.
Realistically we’d be picking around 10th. Think on balance I’d want to lose and get the 10th pick and the possibility that Benning could get fired if we miss the playoffs. We need another impact player, hopefully on D.
2020-2021 would be a scary season though with an unprotected first on the line.

 

[Seattle Totems]

Go figure.....if the Canucks lose to the Wild, they have a 12.5 percent chance of drafting first overall.....if I'm not mistaken, those are better odds than the Canucks had even when they outright sucked the last three seasons.

Poor Detroit. The worst record in the salary-cap era and drop to fourth. Most relieved team, probably the Sharks if their pick deferred to Ottawa had ended up as the first overall draft pick.

Personally I don't believe any of this will matter much.....because the Canucks should take care of the Wild. But pleasant dreams just the same.

In retrospect, thank God Jimbo made the first rounder in the J.T. Miller trade 'conditional', with the right to defer to 2021. Just imagine the revolt in the local market, if the Canucks had dropped their series to the Wild and then against all odds moved into the top overall pick but without their first rounder in 2020. Yikes!

Theres no right to defer. The Canucks give the pick up this year if they "make the playoffs" or next year whether they do or not. There is no decision to be made or lottery protection.

 

[NoShowWilly]

so straight cancelation costs us our first this year with no playoffs either.

hoping hub goes to Edmonton then so there is a chance we aren't f***ed

 

[BWJM]

If the Canucks end up winning the lottery I would not be surprised.. especially with how 2020’s been going.

You would have to think with Peteys extreme competitive nature, drafting a guy like Lafreniere would help elevate his game to another level.

Almost like a Crosby/Malkin 1-2 punch?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Trading Laf would be a huge mistake IMO. He's a franchise player through and through, as close to a sure bet as you get in the entry draft. You don't trade those type of players for a handful of lesser prospects.

It's a great trade in years with weak #1 OA picks (RNH, Yak, Hischier, J Hughes), but that is definitely not this year.

Yeah, agreed. I've seen Laf being touted as "the best winger prospect since Ovechkin." You don't trade that pick.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

If the Canucks end up winning the lottery I would not be surprised.. especially with how 2020’s been going.

You would have to think with Peteys extreme competitive nature, drafting a guy like Lafreniere would help elevate his game to another level.

Almost like a Crosby/Malkin 1-2 punch?

I think Ovechkin-Backstrom would be a better comparison, although Pettersson's ceiling is higher than Backstrom's IMO.

 

[VanJack]

I know this might be 'revisionist' theory. But if the Canucks were lose a hard-fought series to the Wild and then defied all odds by moving into the 'placeholder top pick', you'd have to grade the season overall as a "wild success.'

It would almost make up for the years when the Canucks were legitimately one of the worst teams in entire league, but couldn't even manage to hold on to their draft position, sliding backwards in every lottery.

I'm trying to cling to the notion of Alexis Lafreniere patrolling the left wing with Petey for as long as I can. As a Canucks fan, what else do you have right now to get you through this Pandemic?