Pre-Game Talk: 2020 NHL Draft (October 6th - 7th)

[ziploc]

....but you gotta have faith.....!

JRR Tolkien called the life of faith “The Long Defeat,” though he believed it ended in unexpected glory.

So far as a Canucks fans (for 38 years), I have known the former, and still hope for the latter. So it could be said my faith is stronger than most....

 

[Teflon Jim]

Just for fun, let's assume we had Laff and lets assume he's a legit, 50pt-60 pt top six quality player right outa the gate.
Then, if we did resign Toffoli, we could potentially put together three lines with two top6 players on each line.
Pettersson Boeser
Laff Miller
Horvat Toffoli

Then layer in wingers however you see fit. Pearson, Virtanen, Ferland (the latter two of which can play both wings).

that would be an interesting look! at the very minimum it would be hard to match up against for other teams...especially when you'd have Gaudette on the 4th line.

We could do that in the old days but with the cap I'm trying to trim the roster down to fit under the cap for next year.
It sure would be nice if we could keep them all next year

 

[Blue and Green]

Have to agree with Brian Burke...The Red Wings not getting a pick in the top 3 is absolutely criminal, the anti -tanking draft policies need to be changed....Teams that barely missed the playoffs obtaining the the best players in the draft does not bring me any joy.

I would recommend only having the worst three teams in the 'lottery'...The rest of the non playoff teams pick in the usual sequence.

That would create an arbitrary and unjustifiably substantial advantage for finishing in the bottom three compared to the next lowest spots and re-establish huge incentives to tank.

A lot of us don't like rewarding incompetence and/or intentional efforts to lose.

 

[VanJack]

I don’t have much faith that this team will advance very far in these playoffs (heck, I’m still not convinced that these playoffs will even be completed).

But I also have no faith in the Canucks getting a first overall pick, regardless of the odds. If the Wild bounce us I would still expect us to get the worst possible draft position out of it, and then we would be on the hook for giving away our first rounder next year.

So I guess I will just root for the Canucks to win the Stanley Cup this year. Like always. (Sigh)

I hear you buddy. I mean after all, how many disappointing post-season defeats; draft picks who flopped; and crushing results in the draft lottery; can fans stand?

But as they say in the casino, 'the cards have no memory'. So sooner or later the Canucks will do something they haven't done in their 50-year history--actually win a draft lottery and pick first overall. Unfortunately I probably won't be alive to see it.

 

[mouz135]

So Canucks can actually win the 1st OA? If so, do we keep it?

Better hope the season finishes then. If they cancel, Canucks won’t be in the lottery for the first pick

 

[Fatass]

Better hope the season finishes then. If they cancel, Canucks won’t be in the lottery for the first pick

We could actually be without a first and a second in the 2020 draft. That’s nuts, especially for a team needing to continue building their prospect depth.

 

[mouz135]

We could actually be without a first and a second in the 2020 draft. That’s nuts, especially for a team needing to continue building their prospect depth.

Wouldn’t they get to decide if they want to keep their first this year or give it up? I’m just saying they wouldn’t be in the lottery this year because they’re a bubble team will miss the cutoff for the lottery. Doesn’t mean they can’t still keep their pick

 

[Fatass]

Wouldn’t they get to decide if they want to keep their first this year or give it up? I’m just saying they wouldn’t be in the lottery this year because they’re a bubble team will miss the cutoff for the lottery. Doesn’t mean they can’t still keep their pick

I think we only keep the pick if we miss the playoffs. It’s not a choice. So if we beat Minny we don’t have a first or a second at the 2020 draft. It’s not like our team is a cup level team either, that is ready to compete now. We still need young pieces.

 

[mouz135]

I think we only keep the pick if we miss the playoffs. It’s not a choice. So if we beat Minny we don’t have a first or a second at the 2020 draft. It’s not like our team is a cup level team either, that is ready to compete now. We still need young pieces.

if Vancouver misses the playoffs, they keep the pick.

 

[Didalee Hed]

Obviously I've never seen any of these top picks play very much, other than a few tournament games and the odd YouTube highlight package.

But scouts and people in 'the know', say Lafreniere is the best first overall picks since McDavid in 2015. So obviously 'when' and in what year you win the first overall selection matters. In 2017 for example, Elias Pettersson might prove to be the best player in that draft, despite being selected 5th overall.

If this was a normal Stanley Cup playoff year, and the Canucks had legitimately made the post-season by finishing in one of the top eight spots in the Western Conference, then you'd want your team to go as far as it can.

But it's worth noting that when the 2019-20 season was cut short, the Canucks were officially below the playoff bar in the West. So who knows where they'd have finished without Markstrom and probably Tanev? And of course if they lose to the Wild, the Canucks would still be officially below the playoff bar, and a lottery team.

So despite all the rhetoric about NHL parity and "anything can happen in the playoffs' this probably wasn't the Canucks season anyway. But actually winning the first overall pick, would set this team up for the next decade.

So I guess your view depends on whether you take the short term, or long term view with this team. Is the first overall pick a better option than a playoff round or two? Over to other posters on this one.

I kinda see this as similar to the people who are ok with doing the right thing with regards to masks and social distancing to keep covid19 at bay, and the to hell with it crowd who can’t be troubled to wear a mask, or bring their food home to eat, or cannot resist the urge to pack a beach shoulder to shoulder.

The people who are all guns a blazing cheering for this non playoff “playoff” garbage, well they’re the ones who have no greater good style patience, and demand their usual comforts and conveniences immediately and aren’t really thinking about the future. They’re the ones who line the beaches and piss all over mask wearing.

The bad people.

Then we have our quiet heroes. The ones who put petty vanity aside and wear their mask proudly to keep their community safe. The ones who are just as bored as anyone else staying home all the time, yet do it anyway, for no better reason than it’s the god damned right thing to do. These people are like the fans that know better than to buy Benning and Bettman’s bunk. The people who know this 1/8 chance at the top pick is a game changer. The people based in reality. The people with foresight.

The good people.









Be a good person. Go Wild Go.

 

[The Vasili Jerry]

I kinda see this as similar to the people who are ok with doing the right thing with regards to masks and social distancing to keep covid19 at bay, and the to hell with it crowd who can’t be troubled to wear a mask, or bring their food home to eat, or cannot resist the urge to pack a beach shoulder to shoulder.

The people who are all guns a blazing cheering for this non playoff “playoff” garbage, well they’re the ones who have no greater good style patience, and demand their usual comforts and conveniences immediately and aren’t really thinking about the future. They’re the ones who line the beaches and piss all over mask wearing.

The bad people.

Then we have our quiet heroes. The ones who put petty vanity aside and wear their mask proudly to keep their community safe. The ones who are just as bored as anyone else staying home all the time, yet do it anyway, for no better reason than it’s the god damned right thing to do. These people are like the fans that know better than to buy Benning and Bettman’s bunk. The people who know this 1/8 chance at the top pick is a game changer. The people based in reality. The people with foresight.

The good people.









Be a good person. Go Wild Go.

With all due respect, please don't compare people who want to see the Canucks win playoff games to people who have no care for other human life.

 

[Didalee Hed]

With all due respect, please don't compare people who want to see the Canucks win playoff games to people who have no care for other human life.

There can be exceptions

 

[Phenomenon13]

Sounds like we have no chance at first overall.

 

[drax0s]

Sounds like we have no chance at first overall.

".. If the 2019-20 Return to Play does not occur for any reason".

That scenario is if they just cancel the season.

 

[Deeds26]

Sounds like we have no chance at first overall.

Edit: ignore since drax posted and cleared it up

Wait so what happens to #1 overall if all the teams that were outside the playoffs win the play-in series? So the 9, 10, 11, and 12 seeds move on from both Conferences

 

[Disappointed EP40]

I kinda see this as similar to the people who are ok with doing the right thing with regards to masks and social distancing to keep covid19 at bay, and the to hell with it crowd who can’t be troubled to wear a mask, or bring their food home to eat, or cannot resist the urge to pack a beach shoulder to shoulder.

The people who are all guns a blazing cheering for this non playoff “playoff” garbage, well they’re the ones who have no greater good style patience, and demand their usual comforts and conveniences immediately and aren’t really thinking about the future. They’re the ones who line the beaches and piss all over mask wearing.

The bad people.

Then we have our quiet heroes. The ones who put petty vanity aside and wear their mask proudly to keep their community safe. The ones who are just as bored as anyone else staying home all the time, yet do it anyway, for no better reason than it’s the god damned right thing to do. These people are like the fans that know better than to buy Benning and Bettman’s bunk. The people who know this 1/8 chance at the top pick is a game changer. The people based in reality. The people with foresight.

The good people.









Be a good person. Go Wild Go.

Terrible post.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

That would create an arbitrary and unjustifiably substantial advantage for finishing in the bottom three compared to the next lowest spots and re-establish huge incentives to tank.

A lot of us don't like rewarding incompetence and/or intentional efforts to lose.

I don't think so...I've noticed that the worst tanking is when there is a elite legit superstar at #1....None of the bottom 3 teams would be guaranteed that #1 consensus player, but they would be guaranteed a good player (another poster had a good idea that stipulated that you can only get the #1 pick once every so many years..to avoid the repeating Oilers scenario).

I don't like rewarding incompetence, or intentional efforts to lose either..Detroit did not 'tank', and their current management is not incompetent..They are just 'on another level' bad from having their core age out...Having them pick 4OA is a 'broken ' system.

 

[Didalee Hed]

Terrible post.

Have I...

disappointed you?

 

[lawrence]

Have to agree with Brian Burke...The Red Wings not getting a pick in the top 3 is absolutely criminal, the anti -tanking draft policies need to be changed....Teams that barely missed the playoffs obtaining the the best players in the draft does not bring me any joy.

I would recommend only having the worst three teams in the 'lottery'....The rest of the non playoff teams pick in the usual sequence.

Philly who wasn't even a bottom 10 team winning the 2nd pick in 2017 is a joke.
Colorado the worst team not picking in the top 3 in 2017 joke.
Dallas drafting in the top 3 when they too were not in a bottom 10 team absolute joke
Chicago picking top 3, and they almost made the playoffs, f*** you NHL.

yes total joke indeed.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

I kinda see this as similar to the people who are ok with doing the right thing with regards to masks and social distancing to keep covid19 at bay, and the to hell with it crowd who can’t be troubled to wear a mask, or bring their food home to eat, or cannot resist the urge to pack a beach shoulder to shoulder.

The people who are all guns a blazing cheering for this non playoff “playoff” garbage, well they’re the ones who have no greater good style patience, and demand their usual comforts and conveniences immediately and aren’t really thinking about the future. They’re the ones who line the beaches and piss all over mask wearing.

The bad people.

Then we have our quiet heroes. The ones who put petty vanity aside and wear their mask proudly to keep their community safe. The ones who are just as bored as anyone else staying home all the time, yet do it anyway, for no better reason than it’s the god damned right thing to do. These people are like the fans that know better than to buy Benning and Bettman’s bunk. The people who know this 1/8 chance at the top pick is a game changer. The people based in reality. The people with foresight.

The "open it back up" people were the ones who didn't listen to the experts and authority.

The experts agree it's possible to try to get playing again. So the people that are okay with opening it up are the ones listening to the experts; the opposite of what you described.

You have phrased everything so superciliously, and are so abundantly wrong.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

Have I...

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disapponted you?

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Hard to disappoint with expectations this low.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

Philly who wasn't even a bottom 10 team winning the 2nd pick in 2017 is a joke.
Colorado the worst team not picking in the top 3 in 2017 joke.
Dallas drafting in the top 3 when they too were not in a bottom 10 team absolute joke
Chicago picking top 3, and they almost made the playoffs, f*** you NHL.

yes total joke indeed.

This.

Every year someone is getting the raw deal.

This was the answer and is the trade off to have anti-tanking measures.

 

[Didalee Hed]

Hard to disappoint with expectations this low.

Like when a guy throws a red sock in the laundry? To build that low expectation.

 

[VanJack]

For once, the Canucks are almost in a 'no lose' position heading into the post-season. If they lose to the Wild, they keep their first round draft picks and have a shot at first overall.

If the Stanley Cup playoffs have to be abandoned because of COVID, the Canucks wouldn't be one of the lottery teams anyway, based on their winning percentage. So their first rounder would be in the 16-18 range, and probably means they'd just transfer it to the Devils.

And of course if they beat the Wild, get into the playoffs and actually win a round or two, their first rounder might fall back into the 21-24 range. And they'd transfer that pick to the Devils for sure.

So for the first time in living memory, Canuck fans would probably be OK with any draft results, except maybe for the cancellation of the season. While that would be a downer, it still wouldn't affect them much on draft day.

 

[Peter10]

Lets assume some of the play-in match-ups end in an early sweep but then they have to stop playing again because of a Corona outbreak and the remaining games of the other play-ins and everything else is cancelled. Who gets into the next lottery?