NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART XI [We got 3-5]

[LeProspector]

If Ottawa drafts Byfield, Brown is as good as gone.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

If Ottawa drafts Byfield, Brown is as good as gone.

Why? There’s no guarantee Byfield will even be in the NHL next year. We have no guaranteed top 6 centres.

It’s a numbers game too. We lose nothing by being more patient with Brown.

 

[SAK11]

If Ottawa drafts Byfield, Brown is as good as gone.

Only room for one big, skilled, offensive centre? I'd be so upset if they moved on from Brown before ever giving him a full NHL season. They knew all along he was a long term project. To have him go through all these years of development only to move on from him now because they draft another big skilled centre (who is raw and needs more time to develop in his own right) would be silly.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Only room for one big, skilled, offensive centre? I'd be so upset if they moved on from Brown before ever giving him a full NHL season. They knew all along he was a long term project. To have him go through all these years of development only to move on from him now because they draft another big skilled centre (who is raw and needs more time to develop in his own right) would be silly.

Would you still be upset if they drafted Byfield and traded Brown as part of a package for a really good established player, like Sergachev, Ekblad, Nylander or Kapanen?

 

[SAK11]

Would you still be upset if they drafted Byfield and traded Brown as part of a package for a really good established player, like Sergachev, Ekblad, Nylander or Kapanen?

I really do want to see how things play out with Brown. Injuries have been annoying with him but he's a player they knew would take some time, and now he's at the point that he should get a full-time chance in the NHL.

Having said that, of course the first 3 players you mentioned would be awesome additions. I'm sure it would take Brown ++ to get them, though (if they're interested in Brown at all, or in trading those players). I wouldn't be as excited about Kapanen.

 

[HSF]

If the sens have stutzle and Rossi down the middle they are going to be good real fast

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I just hope the Oilers or Pens do not win the 1st overall.

f*** the Oilers for making the lottery a joke

 

[HSF]

Would you still be upset if they drafted Byfield and traded Brown as part of a package for a really good established player, like Sergachev, Ekblad, Nylander or Kapanen?

I would give brown another chance

we can get roster players by dealing 2nd rounders to help teams in cap he’ll

 

[MatchesMalone]

I would give brown another chance

we can get roster players by dealing 2nd rounders to help teams in cap he’ll

Roster players sure, but not Sergachev or Nylander.

I get it though. Brown has some upside for sure. Would hurt if we trade him away and suddenly he's a real good player in a year or two.

I can't say whether I would trade him or not because I just don't know what his market value is and what kind of offers would be available.

 

[DJB]

So on the 31 thoughts podcast. LAs GM stated that after Lafreniere, the number of players in their next tier is 4 players long, as opposed to 2 players that Dorion stated.

For the Kings I am assuming those 4 players are:

Stutzle
Byfield
Drysdale
Sanderson

If they think they can get one of those players at pick #5 and also pick up an asset. What would it cost Ottawa to get their pick?

Would it be the 5th overall pick + 33rd overall be enough for the 2nd overall.

This allows us to get Stutzle + Byfield.

See I interpreted what Blake said is that they will "focus their time on 4 players"

Those 4 being

Lafreniere
Byfield
Stutzle
Player X

 

[DJB]

I think Steve Yzerman goes for Rossi.

Possibly but I think its Perfetti. Chris Osgoode is part of the ownership group with the Spirit as is the Red Wings vice president is also part owner.

Detroit insiders on their board state they have Perfetti, Rossi and Sanderson in that order starting at 4.

 

[Sens Vader]

If Ottawa drafts Byfield, Brown is as good as gone.

I think you run Byfield-Norris-Brown as your top 3 centers

imo this does wonders for Brown, at the end of the day he was the guy the org was looking at to be the 1C for this team. Ottawa has fallen into that trap of having guys who are really 2A centers play the 1 slot since Spezza.

With Byfield or Stutzle we get our 1C, Brown Norris Pinto and White can develop in their appropriate slot.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

The biggest takeaway from this draft won't be who we select with our 3rd or 5th overall pics, imo.

It's if NYI lose their play in, who we could trade up for and select with another top 10-12 pick.

Quinn or Lundell would be enormous with our 3rd 1st rounder.

Stutzle
Raymond
Quinn
Grans

Lol, oh Lord.

 

[derriko]

Roster players sure, but not Sergachev or Nylander.

I get it though. Brown has some upside for sure. Would hurt if we trade him away and suddenly he's a real good player in a year or two.

I can't say whether I would trade him or not because I just don't know what his market value is and what kind of offers would be available.

I think Dorion will still be too scarred with Zibanejad to give up on another raw, large center possibly too early.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

The biggest takeaway from this draft won't be who we select with our 3rd or 5th overall pics, imo.

It's if NYI lose their play in, who we could trade up for and select with another top 10-12 pick.

Quinn or Lundell would be enormous with our 3rd 1st rounder.

Stutzle
Raymond
Quinn
Grans

Lol, oh Lord.

I'm not much of a fan of Lundell so I would be disappointed if we drafted him. There will likely be a number of good options with that pick so we may not have to trade up. Jack Quinn would be a solid choice. The other players that I currently have in mind for the NYI pick are Seth Jarvis, Dylan Holloway, Connor Zary and Rodion Amirov.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Roster players sure, but not Sergachev or Nylander.

I get it though. Brown has some upside for sure. Would hurt if we trade him away and suddenly he's a real good player in a year or two.

I can't say whether I would trade him or not because I just don't know what his market value is and what kind of offers would be available.

I wouldn't be looking to trade Logan Brown. Given his size it is reasonable to expect that he will take longer to develop than an average sized or smaller player. He has had great stretches of performance in both the AHL and NHL but he needs to become more consistent and to up his compete level. I think it would be a mistake to even consider trading him at this point. But he is hitting a critical period where he will need to take that next step.

There are a ton of forwards on the Senators and forwards prospects that I would look to trade before considering trading Brown. The only forward prospects that I would be more reluctant to trade are Norris, Batherson, Formenton and Pinto.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I wouldn't be looking to trade Logan Brown. Given his size it is reasonable to expect that he will take longer to develop than an average sized or smaller player. He has had great stretches of performance in both the AHL and NHL but he needs to become more consistent and to up his compete level. I think it would be a mistake to even consider trading him at this point. But he is hitting a critical period where he will need to take that next step.

There are a ton of forwards on the Senators and forwards prospects that I would look to trade before considering trading Brown. The only forward prospects that I would be more reluctant to trade are Norris, Batherson, Formenton and Pinto.

Haha that made me think of Django Unchained. You're not going to sell your best, or your second best, but your third best, at the right price...

Of course I'm not looking to trade Logan Brown, but if we're in trade negotiations for Sergachev, and Brisebois goes "well of course you're not going to trade Norris or Batherson, but..." and where do we go from there. Personally I like Brown better than Formenton or Pinto, but I'd be willing to include any of them in a package for Sergachev or Ekblad. And that's just what I was getting at, it all depends on how other GMs value Brown relative to some of our other prospects.

The fans saying "we should absolutely not trade Brown under any circumstances because consider his upside"... I mean, dunno. Sure there is always a chance you get burned and he's an all-star, but in my opinion adding an established young star like Sergachev would be so crucial to this organization, we should be looking to do whatever it takes within reason, and if Logan Brown is the piece Tampa needs then I'm all in.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Whoever gets first isn’t trading it for 3 and 5. Would make no sense.

From an asset management standpoint there is an argument for it. Lafreniere is clearly the best player in this draft but the gap between him and Stutzle and Byfield isn't that big. Lafreniere is the most NHL ready and he has the complete package of skill and grit so it is clear why teams covet him. But both Stutzle and Byfield have certain traits that are better than Lafreniere and if they reach their potential they might end up being comparable or possibly even superior to him from a point production stand point.

So unlike other drafts moving back to 2 or 3 could actually be worth considering for some teams. The question is: what is the value gap between Lafreniere and Stutzle/Byfield? Personally I think it would take a lot less than people expect for their to be fair value.

The team that gets first overall may still likely take Lafreniere but Ottawa certainly has a chance to make a very competitive and tempting bid. If that team still picks him it won't be because there weren't any fair offers on the table. I also think it would cost less than 3 and 5 for a team to consider parting ways with that pick.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Haha that made me think of Django Unchained. You're not going to sell your best, or your second best, but your third best, at the right price...

Of course I'm not looking to trade Logan Brown, but if we're in trade negotiations for Sergachev, and Brisebois goes "well of course you're not going to trade Norris or Batherson, but..." and where do we go from there. Personally I like Brown better than Formenton or Pinto, but I'd be willing to include any of them in a package for Sergachev or Ekblad. And that's just what I was getting at, it all depends on how other GMs value Brown relative to some of our other prospects.

The fans saying "we should absolutely not trade Brown under any circumstances because consider his upside"... I mean, dunno. Sure there is always a chance you get burned and he's an all-star, but in my opinion adding an established young star like Sergachev would be so crucial to this organization, we should be looking to do whatever it takes within reason, and if Logan Brown is the piece Tampa needs then I'm all in.

Well we only have so many d spots available so if we are trading for a young d maybe we offer a d in return. So maybe Brannstrom is the piece to trade.

If the Sens use all 13 picks in this draft then they will also be in a position to trade quantity for quality. Tierney has already been rumored to be on the market then prospects like Balcers, Abramov and Davidsson might be expendable.

I get what you are saying but I still wouldn't be in any rush. Next summer is the expansion draft and there will likely be a lot of trade activity there. If there are still questions about Brown by next summer then maybe I would consider parting ways with him.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Well we only have so many d spots available so if we are trading for a young d maybe we offer a d in return. So maybe Brannstrom is the piece to trade.

If the Sens use all 13 picks in this draft then they will also be in a position to trade quantity for quality. Tierney has already been rumored to be on the market then prospects like Balcers, Abramov and Davidsson might be expendable.

I get what you are saying but I still wouldn't be in any rush. Next summer is the expansion draft and there will likely be a lot of trade activity there. If there are still questions about Brown by next summer then maybe I would consider parting ways with him.

Ok so covid threw a wrench into everything and nobody knows anything anymore, but previously Tampa and Toronto were in absolute cap nightmares. St. Louis too but I don't see any fits as good as Sergachev there. Anyway, there were a small handful of teams that were in real cap trouble and needed to make some moves. A perfect situation for the Sens because there are multiple sellers meaning we'd have options and leverage. On top of that, regardless what other big money buyers are our there, no other team has anywhere close to the asset capital the Sens do right now. Again, who the f*** knows now with covid, but going into this off-season I would have said this was absolutely the year to make a move like this. Tierney, Abramov, Balcers are fairly valuable trade chips for sure, but they just don't move the needle on a Sergachev or Ekblad.

But sure, maybe we look to ship JBD or Brännström or Thomson first. I can see what's going on here, and maybe I picked my spot poorly. For others this discussion is about Logan Brown and how we should try to avoid trading him at all costs. For me this discussion is about Sergachev and trying to acquire him at all costs.

Robert Thomas will be RFA a year from now, and I'd love to make a push for him if at all possible, but if he puts up ~70 points this season that's probably not a very realistic trade. I just think the 2021 draft class is wide open and you're almost as likely to get a star at 10 as you are at 2, so let's make a push and try to improve now, and Sergachev is still just 21.

 

[Tkachuckycheese]

I just hope the Oilers or Pens do not win the 1st overall.

f*** the Oilers for making the lottery a joke

I don't know how you can blame the Oilers for the lottery really. So they got number 1 a few times by pure luck. They weren't tanking for all those picks. They were just really bad and management was just so god awful at drafting players outside the first round. They kept the old boys club together for too long who were just making bad decision after bad decision. They rushed their prospects because they wanted to succeed sooner than later.

The NHL pretty much controls the lottery outcome. I kinda hope a big club gets the pick to make the NHL look foolish for creating this scenario to even happen.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Ok so covid threw a wrench into everything and nobody knows anything anymore, but previously Tampa and Toronto were in absolute cap nightmares. St. Louis too but I don't see any fits as good as Sergachev there. Anyway, there were a small handful of teams that were in real cap trouble and needed to make some moves. A perfect situation for the Sens because there are multiple sellers meaning we'd have options and leverage. On top of that, regardless what other big money buyers are our there, no other team has anywhere close to the asset capital the Sens do right now. Again, who the f*** knows now with covid, but going into this off-season I would have said this was absolutely the year to make a move like this. Tierney, Abramov, Balcers are fairly valuable trade chips for sure, but they just don't move the needle on a Sergachev or Ekblad.

But sure, maybe we look to ship JBD or Brännström or Thomson first. I can see what's going on here, and maybe I picked my spot poorly. For others this discussion is about Logan Brown and how we should try to avoid trading him at all costs. For me this discussion is about Sergachev and trying to acquire him at all costs.

Robert Thomas will be RFA a year from now, and I'd love to make a push for him if at all possible, but if he puts up ~70 points this season that's probably not a very realistic trade. I just think the 2021 draft class is wide open and you're almost as likely to get a star at 10 as you are at 2, so let's make a push and try to improve now, and Sergachev is still just 21.

Great post, my thoughts exactly. And it will work wonderfully with giving a jolt of confidence to the young guys and getting someone like Brady to sign longer term and for greater winning culture to happen on this team.

Brannstrom+34th+Abramov for Sergachev?

Stutzle+Raymond draft

Trade 15th+54/tiereny/prospect into top 10 for Quinn

2 years:

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Batherson
Raymond-Norris/L.Brown-Quinn
Formenton-White-Pinto
Paul-XXXX-XXXXX

Chabot-JBD
Sergachev-Jaros/Thomson
Wolanin-Zub

That's a powerfully well rounded team that does everything. We can even package Thomson and bunch other prospects we still have for an imposing defender with Serg. Chabot on one pairing and Serg on another means we have the puck almost all the time. We likely also have a top 5 pick next year too.

As you can see from my roster, even with L.Brown and Norris and Balcers etc.. we might not have room, it'll be wiser to trade for more proven talent should the opportunity arise itself.

 

[BloodRedArmy]

1st: Laf
2nd: Drysdale to LA (They've drafted a C with their last 3 1sts)
3rd: Stutzle
4th: Sanderson to Det (Some suggest he wants Drysdale, so maybe he sees holes in Byfield and takes the next best D).
5th: Byfield

Cha-ching​

 

[Peptic Balcers]

1st: Laf
2nd: Drysdale to LA (They've drafted a C with their last 3 1sts)
3rd: Stutzle
4th: Sanderson to Det (Some suggest he wants Drysdale, so maybe he sees holes in Byfield and takes the next best D).
5th: Byfield

Cha-ching​

LA gonna take a forward

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Do not want Lundell. I've only seen a little footage on him but most reports I've seen say that he's an NHL but huge question marks on his offensive upside. Don't love the idea of burning a 1st on a guy who likely pans out as a 3C