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NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART XI [We got 3-5]

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Gil Gunderson said:
Trading 3 and 5 when there's a centre available and not getting a centre in return would be the most backwards move we can make.

I have no doubt Melnyk will push for it for ticket sales and the marketability of Laf.
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You can pick one with the Isles pick. Lafrenière play like a center , you just have to put a player good on the draw and would be fine
 
danielpalfredsson said:
If you look at recent comparisons of #1 vs the types of players available at 3-5, it paints a pretty clear picture that #1 is generally better. Obviously, there are years where #1 wasn't better.

Of course, that's with knowing how a lot of these players have panned out. I don't watch enough of these guys before the draft to know whether this year it's a bad idea just based on the strength of the top 5 in relation to Lafreniere. Just judging using historical generalizations, the person who would get #1 more than often would get the better end of that deal.

It's why I think it would take a unique team winning #1 for that to even be considered. It would have to either be a scenario where a team doesn't have Lafreniere leaps and bounds ahead of the two prospects they have behind him, or it would have to be a team who has major cap issues and would value being able to fill multiple roster spots with high end ELC talent at the expense of Lafreniere.
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I'm sure the stats would support you're argument and if the sens did make that trade I wouldn't be too sad because we are getting Lafrenière after all but, in my mind, our unique position in this particular draft enables us to fill up our prospect pool with quality and quantity at the same time. I'm a risk averse person in general so I am very content in staying put.
 
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Gil Gunderson said:
I doubt Desmarais has any idea who Lafreniere is. If this ends up happening, it's Melnyk swinging for the fences to get himself a Cup within a few years.
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It was his golden ticket to try to turn things around for himself in Ottawa.

Safe to say Melnyk was incredibly disappointed in the lottery results. None of these other guys come with the instant marketability Lafreniere does.
 
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FormentonTheFuture said:
Whoever gets first isn’t trading it for 3 and 5. Would make no sense.
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If some team is stupid enough to give up Byfield/Stutzle + Drysdale/Raymond/Perfetti for Lafreniere, the team at #1 should absolutely take it.

Lafreniere is clearly the BPA this year, but he's not an Eichel/Matthews quality #1 pick, which is what he'd need to be to justify this team trading 3+5 for him.
 
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People bring up that it would be idiotic to pass on a position of need at C for a winger, but historically, you're not getting a franchise C at 3 or 5.

Draisaitl, Toews, and maybe Pettersson (Still a bit too early to call him a franchise C) are the exceptions to the rule.

Again, these are generalizations, and maybe this current crop with Stutzle/Byfield is the year where there is an exception to the rule about 3+5 being less valuable than 1. I haven't seen enough to know. I will defer to the regular guys in this thread who are plugged into prospects, because each year's draft crop at the time of the draft is not something I've spent time on learning about.

On paper, you do 3+5 for 1 every day of the week. You also are more likely to get a Dubois, Kotkaniemi, Strome, Schenn, Duchene, Johansen, Turris, Monahan, Galchenyuk, other Strome, Gagner, Brassard etc if you're LUCKY in the 3-5 ballpark than a Toews or Draisaitl. Not all those guys went 3-5 exactly, but they were Cs who were on the board.

1st overall isn't perfect either, it's not like there haven't been a few disappointing 1st overall picks, but there is a high chance of getting a superstar or franchise player. Which, is impossible to get otherwise. A bunch of those C's on the list above have been made available in trades. If you have the assets, you can get top 6 forwards in trades. If you have the assets, you can't get superstars or franchise players in trades, and if you do, they have limited term left and are difficult to extend.

I don't think the positional argument holds up because the odds of us getting our top C with 3 and 5, at least in general/on paper terms, isn't great enough to pass on the high odds that Lafreniere is a superstar who we'd otherwise not be able to acquire elsewhere.

The above is also why, 9/10 teams would turn down 3/5 for 1.
 
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FormentonTheFuture said:
3 and 5 is good enough. Unless it’s McDavid I doubt he would ever mandate that.
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Melnyk literally has nothing to bring fans back. Laf might actually do that.

CTC hasn't had an event for almost 3 months and probably wont for a while. He's not going to make any TV or gate revenue until January at the earliest. Laf is pretty much his last-ditch effort.
 
Hale The Villain said:
If some team is stupid enough to give up Byfield/Stutzle + Drysdale/Raymond/Perfetti for Lafreniere, the team at #1 should absolutely take it.

Lafreniere is clearly the BPA this year, but he's not an Eichel/Matthews quality #1 pick, which is what he'd need to be to justify this team trading 3+5 for him.
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No way especially if it’s a near-playoff team. Lafreniere is much more valuable to them. I don’t think a trade like that makes sense for either sides really but trading away Byfield and Raymond, for example, for the clear cut #1 isn’t an overpay in my opinion. That being said, 3 + 14 plus some seconds etc would be better

Lafreniere is on Matthews/Eichel level in my opinion.
 
Gil Gunderson said:
Melnyk literally has nothing to bring fans back. Laf might actually do that.

CTC hasn't had an event for almost 3 months and probably wont for a while. He's not going to make any TV or gate revenue until January at the earliest. Laf is pretty much his last-ditch effort.
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I highly doubt they will even try to be honest. Attendance won’t improve much even if they got Laf.
 
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