broadwayblue
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Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft 19th Overall Pick, Braden Schneider, D
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Everything is backwards?
Fitzy
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Sometimes I forget about zac Jones amid Miller, Robertson, Lundkvist, and Schneider. What a defensive prospect group this team has.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
Like many, I didn't like the pick when it happened. Wasn't a positional need, wanted other players still available (Zary), and didn't like the general knocks on mobility and lack of upside that was attached to his draft profile.
But after sleeping on it and doing a little more digging (and honestly, want to convince myself to like it more), I've come around on this pick.
Particularly after watching the Draft Dynasty video, with the clips showing how well he maintains gaps in the neutral zone and closes down on players entering the blue line. That's a massively important skill to have as a defenseman, and one that's often overlooked when do our internet scouting and evaluation. If he continues to develop and is able to maintain that ability at the speed of the NHL, then I think we'll be very happy with this pick.
But after sleeping on it and doing a little more digging (and honestly, want to convince myself to like it more), I've come around on this pick.
Particularly after watching the Draft Dynasty video, with the clips showing how well he maintains gaps in the neutral zone and closes down on players entering the blue line. That's a massively important skill to have as a defenseman, and one that's often overlooked when do our internet scouting and evaluation. If he continues to develop and is able to maintain that ability at the speed of the NHL, then I think we'll be very happy with this pick.
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Boonk
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Hey dudes, Jets fan coming in peace 
I watched this guy a lot when Brandon was here in Winnipeg for Ice games and he’s a stud. Real smart defensively, excellent physically and exactly what your team needs. He can play either side of the ice. You’re going to love him.
I watched this guy a lot when Brandon was here in Winnipeg for Ice games and he’s a stud. Real smart defensively, excellent physically and exactly what your team needs. He can play either side of the ice. You’re going to love him.
NYSPORTS
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imo, when you get beyond Round 2 of the draft it’s slim pickings. You may have a few players make it but the picks are often a miss.
Goalies are a dime a dozen yet somewhere within those dozens might be a star as few are even drafted within the first two Rounds. Might as well hope you hit on one, especially considering the depth this org has today across the board besides the #2 center position. Odds on finding that center late in the draft, kinda slim.
dshea19
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If Schneider can truly play either side of the D, he is such a valuable piece. A top 4 guy that can play either side? Wow.
Hey dudes, Jets fan coming in peace
You'll be happy with Perfetti. Actually heard Schneids was going to be a need pick for you guys. Not sure if you saw the US Broadcast... Button went off about taking good players before the pick... you know that was directed at Chevy and co hahaha.
That Samberg-Hamonic pair will change things up for you guys. Schneider would have been a need pick that fits your identity. I'm very happy to have that in NY. We don't win here without guys like Schneids. You'll really like Johanesson. IMO he is the best passing defenseman in the draft. Rangers were trying to make a statement pick with Vierling, and you guys swooped in on Johannesson.
Sam Girard like skills. Has a lot of sizzle on his sauce, and is a threat on the PP. If he learns to evade contact with his skating and positioning, watch out.
Absolutely. Jones has an awesome year yet he goes under the radar
im still pissed they drafted shesterkin in 2014 when we already drafted our goalie in halverson
Are there really many guys who play right handed but also play the left side of the ice? Always seem like they give something up there
dshea19
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That remains to be seen with him. I have read several times that he plays either side. I don't know enough about him to know if he is better on one side than the other. The biggest advantages that playing the same side as your forehand gives are that it is easier for keep-ins in the point and also making breakout passes or clearing attempts from deep in the corners. You actually have longer stick reach for defending on your off-side. Regardless, I am happy with the pick and think it is pure bonus if he can play both sides equally. That creates so much roster flexibility.
JCProdigy
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Like @kovazub94 said. Most of the time you'd see a defensive pair with two lefties on it, rather than two righties. How often does it happen?
Well I took at the last 11 playoff years and looked at the top ten defensive pairs in 5v5 TOI each year:
Total number of D pairs - 110
Number of D pairs with one player playing their off-hand side - 28
Taking out duplicates of the same pairs that played over multiple playoffs together:
Total distinctive D pairs - 93
Number of D pairs with one player playing their off-hand side - 24
So around 25%-26% of the most relied on D pairs in the last 11 playoffs had the same handedness for both players.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
Doing the Lord’s work right here.
TheBloodyNine
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Great work!! But now I'm curious, how many of these pairs played on Cup Champion teams.
MarkMessyay11
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The more I read/watch about Schneider, the more I'm loving this pick. It sounds like he's a safe bet to be an NHL defenseman at some point given his size and ability to defend. It sounds like his main "issue" is that there are still some unknowns about his ceiling, which has lead to the large gap in various rankings. Either way, even if he only ends up being a physical bottom pair D that is a great PK'er and doesn't crumble under pressure with the puck, it's a great pick. This team has more than enough skill and offensive ability from the backend and not enough grit/snarl.
We all fell in love with Lindgren last year because he brought those exact traits to a team that desperately needed them. Now, if he only reaches his floor, it sounds like we have a similar player in Scheider.
We all fell in love with Lindgren last year because he brought those exact traits to a team that desperately needed them. Now, if he only reaches his floor, it sounds like we have a similar player in Scheider.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
Draft Dynasty claims he’s the most physical player in the draft (followed closely by Cuylle).
Does very well at getting to the puck first and moving it out of the zone.
Does very well at getting to the puck first and moving it out of the zone.
JCProdigy
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Of the 11 SC winners. Five had one pair and the 2017 Pens had two.
A quick look at the advanced stats did not show any correlation between the type of pair and their effectiveness.
Additionally I did not see any trend, year-over-year of same handed pairs decreasing/increasing. Only two years featured no same handed pairs ('12 and '16) and this past playoffs had four (2 for VGK, 1 each for DAL and NYI)
RangerBlues
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20 years ago a player like this is a top 5 pick.
We all overlook them now because the way the game has changed. Overwight forwards and smaller nimble defensemen who dont really play defense.
Rangers have always coveted this type of D man
We all overlook them now because the way the game has changed. Overwight forwards and smaller nimble defensemen who dont really play defense.
Rangers have always coveted this type of D man
Synergy27
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Funny you bring this up. This guy reminds me a hell of a lot of Dion Phaneuf, a player I was drooling over in 2003. Scary to think that that draft is now almost 20 years ago.
Rempe73
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I was about to say, this pick is aging like an acquired taste. The more I think about it, the more it grows on me. Bad analogy but idc. I went from disliking it to being meh with it to liking it to loving it. I really do think, from watching his highlights and reading about him a lot, that he has decent 2D upside. I don’t want to hype him up too much, but if what they say about his hockey sense at both ends of the rink is true, and as long as his hands aren’t made of stone (which they aren’t, but could use a little work), we’re looking good. He should be able to improve his agility a bit, and I wouldn’t mind if he got a little faster.
I love that he’s a good, smart passer, that his hands aren’t “defensive defenseman hands,” that he can defend physically as well with his brain and stick, the size, the intangibles, and the untapped offensive potential. I wouldn’t rule out PP2 (although the average agility and hands make it unlikely), but that won’t matter if he can produce 5v5 due to his passing, sense, and transition game. If he doesn’t moderately improve on one or two of speed/agility/hands/vision, then he’ll be a good top 4 d-man, which is great too.
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