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Is there really a "reach" argument out there? It's pretty obvious that the Rangers had to move up to grab him, otherwise he'd be taken before our original #22oa pick.
Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft 19th Overall Pick, Braden Schneider, D
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Is there really a "reach" argument out there? It's pretty obvious that the Rangers had to move up to grab him, otherwise he'd be taken before our original #22oa pick.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
What have you heard?
Let's just spitball the Eichel situation for a second.
Let's say ADA is moved for a LD at some point --- just for shits and giggles. The Rangers look for that balance and they find it somewhere.
A year from now, Eichel still isn't happy and Buffalo is re-engaging teams about what they'd offer.
The Rangers coming into this draft, had a top tier prospect/young player pool. They're still going to be in that conversation a year from now. Buffalo knows this.
So there's not Laf or Kakko on the table. But Kravtsov could be. Chytil. Lundkvist certainly could be. Same for Schneider --- especially if we're "unfortunate" enough to have him progressing well and ready to turn pro.
Now you've got some options and you could, possibly, fill two other positions (LD and Center), while still having a damn nice RD trio when you emerge on the other side of those deals.
Obviously that's just one example, and I'm using it because it is top of mind. But you get the general idea of where you might use players.
I'd be more interested in seeing what Chytil does this year than drafting someone 3 years away. Of course LaPierre was interesting but he comes with a ton of question marks. It's not a bad thing to be stacked at RD.
Rongomania
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If Strome is flipped it means:
1) a deal is in place for a new center.
2) Going all in on the Chytil train.
I am totally ok with both.
Wrong thread, so - I like the write up on this Schneider kid
1) a deal is in place for a new center.
2) Going all in on the Chytil train.
I am totally ok with both.
Wrong thread, so - I like the write up on this Schneider kid
It seems to have settled down, but last night there was definitely "off the board" and "smartest guy in the room" comments. And just on the last page there was mention that Kornandonions and Pornman had him in the 30s. So, I do think there is some belief that he was a reach, facts be damned.
Honestly I think it's more about forwards falling and people wanting someone like Bourque, Zary, or Lapierre. And then "supporting" that dissatisfaction by trying to argue Schneider was a reach.
I don't love the pick, but he wasn't a reach. This was about where he was expected to go by most.
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back afta dis. . .
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agree, and who knows? Laf could be a center. There is enough talent and unknowns on this roster already. Not to mention, there doesn’t seem to be a surplus of physical play on the backline pipeline.
HatTrick Swayze
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It's not surprising that people are mixed on this pick. Most evaluators will probably admit Schneider's projection is to fill out a 2nd/3rd pairing. That's not gonna get fans all excited.
But in my opinion it makes a ton of sense for the NYR to start valuing "safety" higher in prospects. Everyone - they did it! They assembled a stable of (expected) high end talent. You know, what we've all been dreaming of on here for years. Amazing, but the new reality is that second contracts aren't what they used to be. If the NYR have what we believe they have, things are going to get expensive and quickly. Getting a capable NHLer on an ELC with a 1st round pick is going to be extremely valuable for the NYR - getting zero contribution out of a 1st round pick is going to hurt even more when the cap crunch hits.
Factor in that there is only so much PP time to go around. Factor in that they need PKers.
Now also factor in potential trade opportunities. Schneider will likely play for team Canada in the WJC. He is a player that won't be judged solely on points. And now as a 1st round pick in the teens will be seen as a guy with "pedigree". And it all adds up to a player that should maintain his trade value. OR it could (emphasis on could because they are projected to fill vastly different roles) make it easier to stomach entertaining moving a guy like Lundqvist. As they continue to see what happens in Buffalo, or if an elite young LHD becomes available.
But in my opinion it makes a ton of sense for the NYR to start valuing "safety" higher in prospects. Everyone - they did it! They assembled a stable of (expected) high end talent. You know, what we've all been dreaming of on here for years. Amazing, but the new reality is that second contracts aren't what they used to be. If the NYR have what we believe they have, things are going to get expensive and quickly. Getting a capable NHLer on an ELC with a 1st round pick is going to be extremely valuable for the NYR - getting zero contribution out of a 1st round pick is going to hurt even more when the cap crunch hits.
Factor in that there is only so much PP time to go around. Factor in that they need PKers.
Now also factor in potential trade opportunities. Schneider will likely play for team Canada in the WJC. He is a player that won't be judged solely on points. And now as a 1st round pick in the teens will be seen as a guy with "pedigree". And it all adds up to a player that should maintain his trade value. OR it could (emphasis on could because they are projected to fill vastly different roles) make it easier to stomach entertaining moving a guy like Lundqvist. As they continue to see what happens in Buffalo, or if an elite young LHD becomes available.
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Change is good.
Ghost of jas
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Actually, McDonagh’s partner, but I agree. Remember when the defense was going to be Staal, MDZ and McDonagh on the left and Girardi, Sauer and Sanguinetti on the right?
Yeah, I don't really care for the guy. I respect him for the work that he does and how he has really built himself into a professional, but when he comes on here he is often a grade-A asshole. So I call him Kornandonions, just because I'm childish.Kornandonions?
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Once again (as every year) I'm pretty amazed how big of egos some of the posters have because their evaluation of Schneider rank him lower then Rangers. Yeah, like everyone one the Rangers might blow an obvious pick once in a while but their record in such situations is about once a decade, so it's audacity to bet on 10% against and put your own evaluation against collective knowledge and experience of JD, Gorton, Drury, Clark, Bobrov etc. Got to shake my head and once again suggest a more humble approach trying to figure out WHY the Rangers made this choice, what they valued and LEARN from it for your own benefit.
Yup. Point is it never works out that way. The chances of even 5 homegrown defenseman is pretty small. And that is not just because some assets that people love will get used as chips to shore up weaknesses elsewhere. Prospects do not all pan out. Injuries happen. Depth is not just a concept for what is on the big club. Depth is a concept for what is on the farm.
Am really beginning to think that people would have fruit looped if someone like Askarov fell and Gorton & JD had the temerity to draft him.
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So just out of curiosity, had we traded with Chicago to move up, was this going to be the pick the whole time?
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It takes a man to freely admit this. lol
Ghost of jas
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Spare yourself the anguish. Patrick Berglund was going to be the pick if Sanguinetti hadn’t fallen.
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a tribe cq
That’s just like…your opinion man.
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No, I don’t want to trade LAF for Eichel. I’d think about something around Fox for Zegras.
The above isn’t what I said though, I want a NHL 2C center, not a superstar/generational C (in a perfect world obviously I would)
I’m more referring to centers like Cirelli, Domi, Bennet etc, which would cost a considerable amount less than Eichel.
A young stop gap who could blossom into a 1/2C for the future. You would be able to acquire this type of player with something around one of your RD prospects.
Address the center position in the draft when their is time to coddle and develop said center. Now isn’t really the optimal time as an organization to address that depth imo.
Would I have been MAD if they went center? Absolutely not, it’s still an organizational need, but am I disappointed they didn’t? Absolutely not as well.
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This. As recently as two years ago Rykov and Hajek were the future at LD, yet we're clamoring for help right now even with them still in the system. BPA all day, and the Rangers obviously got a kid in Schneider who was high on their list. Good.
broadwayblue
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Not disagreeing with the timeline, but if we don't have many promising young centers now, where are we going to get them from in the future? Would be nice to get one or two in the pipeline, no? Once this team starts to contend in a year or two they should be solid for many years. Its not like a C they draft now will be part of the next rebuild.
Amazing Kreiderman
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I met him at the draft and he's a nice guy in person, but understand that he can rub people the wrong way here. There are some others that I find more obnoxious to be honest though.
aufheben
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this kid was gone well before the Rangers pick if he wasn’t a health risk.
Laf. might play center
Chytil might be develop into a better center
Howden they appear to like for whatever reason
Barron is coming
Andersson is likely going lol
with Strome, ADA, Buch and whatever equal options.
This team has a ways to go before they’re ready yet they certainly have more finesse than brawn.
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In a vacuum, Braden Schneider is a good pick at 19.
