OT: 2020 Football Thread: We Still Suck

[East Coast Bias]

You still need two to dance. You can move the pick for a Kong’s ransom but no guarantee a strong offer is there. Hopefully someone pines after Sewell or another QB like Fields or Wilson.

yeah I agree it would have to be for one of the QBs. That’s why I think the only way you move down is if you’ve decided you’re not picking a QB. Because moving down a few spots even and hoping your guy is there is not smart.

weeks ago I saw people talk about if the Jets got 2nd but didn’t like Fields, they could trade down with say SF for the 10th, and still grab one of Wilson or Nance. I don’t think that’s going to be realistic though. Teams go crazy over QBs ans there’s quite a few that I could see drafting them before 10-12.

 

[Maximus]

We keep talking about Sewell but no guarantee a team doesn’t want to move up for a Fields or Wilson either. It wouldn’t be the first time a QB’s stock was driven up prior to the draft.

Well that would be outstanding than for us. If you can have 2-3 teams wanting Sewell and another 2 or so teams having their sites on one of the QB's, well that would be nirvana as Douglass could potentially not just get a few extra picks but potentially get a haul.

Hypothetically if we can get 3-4 teams pining for our 2 #spot, Douglass could easily get a top 10 pick this year depending upon who we traded with. He could get a 2021 2nd rounder and potentially get a 1st rounder next year or the year after.

So yeah it blows chunks we aren't getting Lawrence unless a friggen miracle happens, we still are in a pretty sweet spot to be sitting in right now. The Jets for the most part control the draft and when you have someone as competent as Douglass is, it gives me great confidence that we are going to come out of this in nice shape no matter how it plays out.

 

[Maximus]

I find it funny when people say he's the best lineman since Nelson like Nelson was drafted in 80s. It was 2018, not that long ago.

Yeah I get that and Nelson was considered a generational O-lineman coming out of Notre Dame just 3 years ago.

All I can go by is the the things I've read about Sewell from smarter people than you and I about him and who do this shit for a living and what they say is this kid is the best LT to come out of college since sliced bread...lol

Here's what PFF says about Sewell:

Forget being a top-five pick, could Sewell the best prospect the tackle position has ever seen? Pro Football Focus’ Mike Renner believes so, and he revealed why in his 10 takeaways from the outlet’s preseason draft guide.
“In a year that saw four tackles drafted within the first 13 picks, it was the 19-year old Oregon tackle who led the position in wins above replacement," he wrote. "His 95.8 overall grade last season was the highest we’ve ever given to a tackle. And when I say in the draft guide that he doesn’t have weaknesses, I am not lying.”

Both the Bengals with Burrow and Chargers with Herbert desperately need Sewell to protect their investments. Well if they want him, they best be prepared to give Douglass a bunch to move down and I do mean a bunch!!

 

[sbjnyc]

I'm not saying you're wrong but is there any example at all in the last like twenty years of a team trading a haul to move up top a top 5 picks to get an offensive lineman? I tend to doubt it. That's a QB type trade.

The Jets did it twice in the same draft Though it was 1997 and top 6 and probably not a "haul". The two tackles they traded down rather than drafting wound up to be hall of famers.

 

[SA16]

The Jets did it twice in the same draft Though it was 1997 and top 6 and probably not a "haul". The two tackles they traded down rather than drafting wound up to be hall of famers.

I don’t remember that far back but 1 for 6, 67, 102, 207 that the Jets traded seems absolutely terrible.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Sewell would be super underwhelming and disappointing to the casuals who want the QB hype but I would love thy pick at 2. Having two beastly OT’s for the next 10 years will make the life easier for whomever the next QB is.

If you draft Sewell, you stick with Darnold and build around him.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I'd be really really surprised if the Jets take any of the QB's at #2. I'm not saying it's impossible or your wrong. I'd just be surprised as I just don't see any of the QB's worth a #2 overall pick.

Douglass gives me the vibe that he's all about building the O-line and so if he doesn't take Sewell, I really believe he's trading down.

I say that the move forward has to be to stick with Darnold and build around him. You can probably get him on a bit of a discounted second contract compared to some which helps keep talent around him.

None of the non-Lawrence QBs are so much better than Darnold that you move him. You end up in the same position, too. A QB without much around him.

 

[Maximus]

I say that the move forward has to be to stick with Darnold and build around him. You can probably get him on a bit of a discounted second contract compared to some which helps keep talent around him.

None of the non-Lawrence QBs are so much better than Darnold that you move him. You end up in the same position, too. A QB without much around him.

Exactly. The way it look at this moment, the Jets are likely going to stick with Darnold even if they don't take Sewell. I believe Darnold next year is still on his rookie contract and than they can decide what they want to do. Seeing the Jets likely will still be picking in the top 5 in 2022, if a QB appears on the radar screen, maybe you take one than.

But for now, build the O-line, get some more weapons(hello Allen Robinson) and most importantly bring in a god damn coach who knows what the F he's doing and knows how to work with young QB's. Who knows, maybe Darnold shocks all of us and stays healthy for a change of pace and shows some progress next year. That would be a great problem for the Jets to have if Sam does in fact make them think about keeping him.

 

[SA16]

I'm not sure building around Darnold is a good idea at this point. We've already missed out on the prime years where he's very cheap. If we want to keep him, give him a second contract, and build around him he's going to cost much more on his next deal hurting the rest of the roster. I don't think he'll be super cheap on a second contract. If he was willing to take a cheap long term deal all that means is that he had another bad year next year. The Jets are now at the point where if they want to keep him they are going to build a lot of money to build around someone who still looks like an unknown. If they choose to build around him it literally all depends on next season and they would have to seriously reinforce the roster before then.

 

[Maximus]

I'm not sure building around Darnold is a good idea at this point. We've already missed out on the prime years where he's very cheap. If we want to keep him, give him a second contract, and build around him he's going to cost much more on his next deal hurting the rest of the roster. I don't think he'll be super cheap on a second contract. If he was willing to take a cheap long term deal all that means is that he had another bad year next year. The Jets are now at the point where if they want to keep him they are going to build a lot of money to build around someone who still looks like an unknown. If they choose to build around him it literally all depends on next season and they would have to seriously reinforce the roster before then.

Was just reading the NY Post and Mike Tannenbaum suggests that Joe Douglass might look at replacing Darnold with a Jameius Winston or a Marcus Mariotta.

Ummmm....I'll answer for Joe D....no thanks Mike...lol

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I'm not sure building around Darnold is a good idea at this point. We've already missed out on the prime years where he's very cheap. If we want to keep him, give him a second contract, and build around him he's going to cost much more on his next deal hurting the rest of the roster. I don't think he'll be super cheap on a second contract. If he was willing to take a cheap long term deal all that means is that he had another bad year next year. The Jets are now at the point where if they want to keep him they are going to build a lot of money to build around someone who still looks like an unknown. If they choose to build around him it literally all depends on next season and they would have to seriously reinforce the roster before then.

If you can snag Sewell and then a WR, you have vastly improved the offense around Darnold in just two moves. I think it's definitely doable.

But by taking Fields or someone else, you then remove the chance to take another high quality tackle and are sort of back to spending another high draft pick on a QB with less available to improve the team around that player. I don't see Fields being vastly superior to Darnold.

And I've never bought into the idea of winning with a QB on a rookie deal. The expensive QB paradox doesn't seem to be harmful. The expensive RB paradox does seem to be, however.

 

[SA16]

I would take either of those guys.

 

[17futurecap]

Sam Darnold stinks, no one wants to say it because he’s a nice guy.

At his best, he’s a game manager, like we saw last week, at his worst, he’s a bottom 5 starter in the NFL still making the same stupid decisions he’s always made.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Mike Tannenbaum is a moron who knows nothing about developing a QB long term which is why nobody wants to hire him.

 

[sbjnyc]

I don’t remember that far back but 1 for 6, 67, 102, 207 that the Jets traded seems absolutely terrible.

Yep, the only defense was that #1 picks required huge contracts since there was no rookie wage scale. But Orlando Pace was considered so good even Jimmy Johnson would have taken him #1. But after Parcells basically told Peyton Manning to pound sand, Manning returned to school and got a meager haul for #1. Then Walter Jones was available at 6 and Parcells decided to trade down again. Parcells instead drafted James Farrior who won 2 superbowls ... with the steelers.

 

[RangerBlues]

Is anybody gonna play and defense today?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Buck trashing the Jets for getting rid of Davis

 

[JimmyG89]

So, I'm facing Alvin Kamara in the fantasy championship this weekend....

 

[SA16]

Buck trashing the Jets for getting rid of Davis

Yes because what the Jets really needed was a....31 year old linebacker.

 

[RangerBlues]

Sewell and Becton would be impressive.
Give Sam a few toys.
Of course its all moot unless they find the right coach.

 

[NYSPORTS]

So, I'm facing Alvin Kamara in the fantasy championship this weekend....

good news, he didn’t score 7 TD’s.

. . . I have Brady for my final. Sat him at the half as typical Detroit had no game plan.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Sam Darnold stinks, no one wants to say it because he’s a nice guy.

At his best, he’s a game manager, like we saw last week, at his worst, he’s a bottom 5 starter in the NFL still making the same stupid decisions he’s always made.

he’s going to get another shot b/c league wide many are saying he’s only 23 years old and it’s the Jets.

The Jets might not know what they have or maybe you are right. Who knows?

 

[nyr2k2]

He was cursed with z bad surrounding cast and terrible coaching from the start. He never really had a chance.

I have no doubt the arm talent is there. He can extend plays with his legs and he can make all the throws. Can he process things quickly enough? Can he execute better judgment? He's always been known as a guy who wants to be coached up and is receptive to that.

He's younger than Joe Burrow. He came in raw and was never developed because the Jets, certainly over the past decade, have been one of the most poorly-run organizations in football. If a couple teams still like the arm talent and the potential and think they can coach him up to the potential he was thought to have, he could have good value.

I think ideally for him he goes somewhere with an established veteran who only has another year or so left. Where he can watch and learn in a stable and positive environment with established, successful coaches. Somewhere like Pittsburgh, Indy if they bring back Rivers, etc.

I think he could fetch a second and a fifth. In that range. That also seems to be the range most pundits cite. Guess we'll see.

 

[NYSPORTS]

. . . doubt anybody trades for Darnold b/c they inherit the contract and immediately have to flex the 5th year option followed by a sizable contract.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think the only way he's NOT traded is if the Jets determine they want to keep him.

Even if the final year option is declined I still think there are plenty of teams that would consider bringing him on for a third or a fourth.

There's too much chatter about him being traded for there to be no interest. Even the articles where they talk to GMs and other front office types, everyone acknowledges that there is interest. It's just about what other teams would actually be willing to pay.