OT: 2020 Football Thread: Offseason Edition

[East Coast Bias]

get lost, you’re clearly not even following along.

Sure. enjoy playing a character on an anonymous message board.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Sure. enjoy playing a character on an anonymous message board.

Whatever that means. Thanks for chiming in off topic and lost

 

[Maximus]

I see at most 1 win on the giants schedule. Maybe. They could easily go 0-16 with those match ups. And if they do you draft Lawrence and wish jones well. Because he’ll be very much a part of the reason why they go 0-16. I had Very high hopes for him but he still looks like a very raw rookie

I disected the Jets schedule as well and I see anywhere from 1 to 4 wins tops. I don't disagree with your assessment of the Giants looking at their schedule tho even with no Barkley, Giants seem much better coached, Jones has more weapons than Darnold and so I could see Giants figuring out a way to muster up 4 wins or so.

Same deal with the Jets tho as I could see them like I said being anywhere from 1 to 4 wins. I actually think 1 Jet win is more likely than 4 wins. It'squite possible Jets, Giants and probably the Lions are all in hunt for the #1 pick which would be wild shit.

Could you imagine that? I mean I guess it's possible which is mind boggling how low the franchise has gone. But can you imagine if Jets go 1-15 and Gase is still here? I just spit up my coffee...I'll be back in a few...lol

 

[Bob Richards]

lol remember the 2017 Giants who were not only terrible but also extremely injured and playing guys off the street the entire season? Even that team managed 3 wins including one against the 10-6 Chiefs.

I don't think people give enough credit as to how hard it is to go 0-16 in this league. The 08 Lions gave up the 2nd most points in the history of the NFL. The 2017 Browns had the worst coach in the history of football.

 

[nyr2k2]

The Jets...Jamison Crowder is fine, but if he is your best WR, you're in trouble. Perriman has been good for like 2 months in his whole career. Mims has promise, but he's an injured rookie. Herndon looks underwhelming. Bell sucks now and is injured anyway. The next RB is a 58-year-old Frank Gore. I mean they have literally nothing on offense to move the ball. It would be one thing if Darnold was Peyton Manning and could single-handedly lift these guys to mediocrity, but he's not. He's regressing because he always has to scramble and he has absolute horseshit around him.

The Jets have probably the worst secondary in football. Maye is great, and then that's it. Bless Austin is like a slot guy and he's the next best DB. Everyone else is trash. Cast-offs from other teams. They have a negative pass rush. In theory they should be okay against the run but otherwise can generate no penetration or pressure. The linebackers sucks. Losing Moseley was a killer. They just have nothing. On both sides of the ball. There's just nothing there.

That's the thing--while I do not think they'll go 0-16, there's just not any actual talent on the roster where you can sit back and say, "Oh, once so-and-so gets going, they'll win some games." Even if everyone on their team was active and playing well they're a six or seven win team. Instead they're injured already and through two games half of the guys look like they don't care. They have looked DREADFUL both weeks. I mean just f***ing terrible. Not like the Giants where they alternated between looking bad and then like a promising young team that ultimately is still lacking; I mean the Jets showed NOTHING. I mean they played the 49ers who for varying amounts of the game were missing their QB, RB, Bosa, Thomas, Kittle, Dee Ford, Tevin Coleman, etc. AND THEY GOT f***ING ROLLED! Just crushed, by a team decimated by injury.

The Jets through two weeks have literally looked like a team that decided they quit before the year even started.

 

[Maximus]

Marcus Maye in his 4th year has already started in more games with the Jets than any other 2nd round pick since David Harris. The last player drafted by the Jets in a skill position in the 2nd round to start more games than Marcus Maye in the NFL (not just with the jets) was Wesley Walker.

Wow that is some pitiful drafting. I'm old enough to remember Wesley Walker as we are talking late 70's to mid to late 80's for him. My lord we are so bad at drafting. You'd think by accident we'd find a few 2nd rounders who were good...not the Jets!...lol

 

[sbjnyc]

Wow that is some pitiful drafting. I'm old enough to remember Wesley Walker as we are talking late 70's to mid to late 80's for him. My lord we are so bad at drafting. You'd think by accident we'd find a few 2nd rounders who were good...not the Jets!...lol

If we include the 3rd round we get Chris Baker, Laveranues Coles and Mickey Shuler. You can add Rich Caster in the 1970 draft to get 5 skill position players drafted by the jets in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 50 years to start more than 40 games in the NFL. I mean even the Rangers got lucky with Hank.

 

[Kovalev27]

Giants are going to add Devonta Freeman it appears. So at least we’ll have a guy that pass blocks and runs hard

 

[Boris Zubov]

If we include the 3rd round we get Chris Baker, Laveranues Coles and Mickey Shuler. You can add Rich Caster in the 1970 draft to get 5 skill position players drafted by the jets in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 50 years to start more than 40 games in the NFL. I mean even the Rangers got lucky with Hank.

Mickey Shuler was so underrated. Just a great football player.

 

[Maximus]

If we include the 3rd round we get Chris Baker, Laveranues Coles and Mickey Shuler. You can add Rich Caster in the 1970 draft to get 5 skill position players drafted by the jets in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 50 years to start more than 40 games in the NFL. I mean even the Rangers got lucky with Hank.

Simply pathetic. Funny Richard Caster John Riggins were my favorite Jets when I started following them in 1971. Caster was really good and we all know about Riggins.

Back to the point. I mean it's almost impossible NOT too find a few dozen jewels over a 50 year span of drafts and yet Jets have 5!. I mean you can't make this shit up!...ugggggg

 

[sbjnyc]

Simply pathetic. Funny Richard Caster John Riggins were my favorite Jets when I started following them in 1971. Caster was really good and we all know about Riggins.

Back to the point. I mean it's almost impossible NOT too find a few dozen jewels over a 50 year span of drafts and yet Jets have 5!. I mean you can't make this shit up!...ugggggg

Overall a team should have 100 2nd and 3rd round picks over 50 years. If half are on offense that's 50 and if half of them are skill position players that's 25 so an average hit rate of 1 in 5. That's pretty bad. But most teams focus more on skill positions so it's probably more like 1 in 6 or so.

 

[17futurecap]

Bradley McDougald Sunday, and now Avery Williamson today with Joe and Evan basically said the team didn't practice hard enough last week, and that was off a week 1 drubbing.

Don't let these awful coaches ruin players you actually want here in the future, dump them.

 

[ponzu4u]

I'll cast a vote for the Giants bumbling into 3-4 wins this season. Just enough to make sure they draft around 4-5th and miss out on Lawrence, the Oregon tackle, and the Penn State LB. The nightmare scenario being Judge rallies this team to somewhere around 6 wins, and Mara decides the Saquon injury should buy Gettleman another year.

As far as the NFC East goes, Washington and Philly are bad teams this year. There's no way the Giants are going 0-4 against them. I'm guessing Giants go 2-2 against these teams. They probably go 0-2 against Dallas, but there's also the chance for one of those weird, win-one-for-Garret revenge games.

LA Rams, Tampa, Seattle and Baltimore all look like pretty clear L's. I think there's a chance for a surprise against SF this weekend.

Cincinnati is at least a wash - and probably will be the game that decides whether Gettleman is fired. Browns and Cardinals could go either way.

As other's have said, there's just too much parity in the NFL, the chances of a team going 0-16 is super slim. IMO the Giants were in both of their first two games. The Jones goal-line INT/Pitt fumble recovery going Giants way could have won that game. The Bears game possibly flips if their O-lineman doesn't catch that deflection. Judge has this team competing, they're going to have chances to win several games this year.

As much as I'd love to have Lawrence QB-ing this team for the next decade, it's not happening. Giants are going to end up with one of the top CBs in the draft and stuck trying to add an impact rusher/#1WR/RT/LB in FA or via the draft the following year, when they will be drafting in the lower 15 once again.

 

[darko]

Dallas is a historic collapse away from being 0-2, you're making them seem like juggernauts.

They also could've won in week 1 and easily been 2-0

 

[NYSPORTS]

The Jets...Jamison Crowder is fine, but if he is your best WR, you're in trouble.

same story when he was in Washington. He doesn’t do enough. He lacks something and is ordinary.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

They also could've won in week 1 and easily been 2-0

They were a lot closer to losing week 2 than winning week 1.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'll cast a vote for the Giants bumbling into 3-4 wins this season. Just enough to make sure they draft around 4-5th and miss out on Lawrence, the Oregon tackle, and the Penn State LB. The nightmare scenario being Judge rallies this team to somewhere around 6 wins, and Mara decides the Saquon injury should buy Gettleman another year.

As far as the NFC East goes, Washington and Philly are bad teams this year. There's no way the Giants are going 0-4 against them. I'm guessing Giants go 2-2 against these teams. They probably go 0-2 against Dallas, but there's also the chance for one of those weird, win-one-for-Garret revenge games.

LA Rams, Tampa, Seattle and Baltimore all look like pretty clear L's. I think there's a chance for a surprise against SF this weekend.

Cincinnati is at least a wash - and probably will be the game that decides whether Gettleman is fired. Browns and Cardinals could go either way.

As other's have said, there's just too much parity in the NFL, the chances of a team going 0-16 is super slim. IMO the Giants were in both of their first two games. The Jones goal-line INT/Pitt fumble recovery going Giants way could have won that game. The Bears game possibly flips if their O-lineman doesn't catch that deflection. Judge has this team competing, they're going to have chances to win several games this year.

As much as I'd love to have Lawrence QB-ing this team for the next decade, it's not happening. Giants are going to end up with one of the top CBs in the draft and stuck trying to add an impact rusher/#1WR/RT/LB in FA or via the draft the following year, when they will be drafting in the lower 15 once again.

4 wins, maybe, 3 wins will not put us at 4-5th. BTW, the Giants aren't good but through 2 games they're top 5 in total defense I believe and #11 in points against. They have good stats across the board on D. And that's the side of field everyone was MORE concerned about. I think 3 wins is the floor, not ceiling. They won't be anything special but you'd think these were the 08 Lions over here.

 

[NYSPORTS]

They also could've won in week 1 and easily been 2-0

Once Ben warmed up the Steelers couldn’t be stopped. The Steelers defense held Barkley to 6 yards on 15 carries. It was 26-10 with under 2 min to go lol

The Bears went to sleep at 17-0 like the did against the Lions the previous week.

The Giants weren’t close to 2-0 let alone 1-1. Last gift in Chicago neither of the two WR targets even went into the endzone lol.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

4 wins, maybe, 3 wins will not put us at 4-5th. BTW, the Giants aren't good but through 2 games they're top 5 in total defense I believe and #11 in points against. They have good stats across the board on D. And that's the side of field everyone was MORE concerned about. I think 3 wins is the floor, not ceiling. They won't be anything special but you'd think these were the 08 Lions over here.

How much of that is the other team taking their foot off the gas? I mean, the Bears could've poured it on, but Trubisky is garbage. Snell ran all over our defense in the Pittsburgh game, for example.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

How much of that is the other team taking their foot off the gas? I mean, the Bears could've poured it on, but Trubisky is garbage. Snell ran all over our defense in the Pittsburgh game, for example.

We weren't down 40 points to the Bears, and sure they had Trubisky which is a much bigger factor than taking the foot off the gas pedal. I never get why this argument always works one way. Do teams only take their foot off the gas pedal against the Giants? Also the Steelers got better as the game went on, so they didn't take their foot off the gas. And the game was competitive most of the game so I don't buy that argument there either. Are you just looking for an excuse to shit on the team?

 

[Maximus]

same story when he was in Washington. He doesn’t do enough. He lacks something and is ordinary.

Actually Crowder is just fine and doesn't lack anything to be frank. He is what he is. A solid slot WR who should never be considered your #1 WR but rather a complimentary piece in a teams passing offense.

The only issue with Crowder is that he's injury prone but when he's on the field, he's solid. I have no problems whatsoever with Crowder and he is the least of our problems.

 

[Maximus]

I had a dream about this and I'm almost positive this is going to happen because this is the Jets we are talking about come late December.

Heading into the Week 16's final game of the season vs New England, Jets will be humming along on the way to the #1 overall pick and Trevor Lawrence with a 2-13 record. The Lions will be 3-12 and are our only competition. If Jets lose...they lock up the #1 pick. If the Lions win we lock up the #1 overall pick no matter what happens in Foxboro. If Jets win however and Lions lose, the Jets end up 2nd to the Lions due to tiebreakers and #### that the Lions have over the Jets.

The Patriots who have locked up the #1 WC spot have nothing to play for and coach hoodie who never ever rests his starters sees that he can screw the Jets once again by letting them win and he won't have to game plan for Lawrence for the next half dozen years, so he rests all of his starters for most part. Jets go all out and play everyone...Darnold looks amazing, throws for 450 yds and 4 TD's and Jets win at Foxboro 42-13.

Meanwhile at home, Lions with 2 seconds left in 4th quarter down 19-17 to the Vikings, Matt Prater with a chance to win the game misses a 25 yard chippy double doinking both the goal post and cross bar. Lions lose and Jets end up with the #2 overall pick.

Anyone want to make a bet with me that this is exactly the scenario that will play out for the Jets.?

Yeah didn't think so as y'all know better.....lol

 

[ponzu4u]

4 wins, maybe, 3 wins will not put us at 4-5th. BTW, the Giants aren't good but through 2 games they're top 5 in total defense I believe and #11 in points against. They have good stats across the board on D. And that's the side of field everyone was MORE concerned about. I think 3 wins is the floor, not ceiling. They won't be anything special but you'd think these were the 08 Lions over here.

Well, at 2-11 last season I had a pretty good feeling about being able to snag Young at #2. Turned out 4-12 meant drafting 4th overall.

This season I still think NYJ, Cin, Car, and Miami are legit contenders to finish lower than the Giants. And as we've already seen, injuries are going to be brutal this season. There could be some unexpected toilet bowl contenders.

 

[Adam Fox Time]

Are you just looking for an excuse to shit on the team?

Ding Ding Ding, this is what a lot of people have been doing for the past two weeks.

The Giants outplayed the Bears in the second half last week. They only lost because they were absolutely terrible in the first half. But they regrouped and won the second half quite handily.

Someone in here literally said the Giants would go 0-16, I mean really? If the Giants play like they did in the second half last week all the time, they are a playoff team. At this point it's probably safe to say they won't make the playoffs, but it's not hard to imagine them trending upward under Judge and being in a great position to start next season.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Ding Ding Ding, this is what a lot of people have been doing for the past two weeks.

The Giants outplayed the Bears in the second half last week. They only lost because they were absolutely terrible in the first half. But they regrouped and won the second half quite handily.

Someone in here literally said the Giants would go 0-16, I mean really? If the Giants play like they did in the second half last week all the time, they are a playoff team. At this point it's probably safe to say they won't make the playoffs, but it's not hard to imagine them trending upward under Judge and being in a great position to start next season.

Somehow it seems Giants fans are more pessimistic than Jets fans in this thread, although maybe it's just my Giants bias. The first game we held our own for a while against a top team and the second game while the start was very 17-19 Giants, I don't remember any games other than Tampa last year where came back the way we did. we didn't win and it wasn't some 30 point hole, but we played pretty damn well in that second half. The team wasn't great but they are 2-0 and two seasons ago they were a playoff team. My biggest pet peeve in sports is:

Me: Hey, look here's a stat to show we're good at this one thing and may actually be better than it seems.

Giants fan: I will not have optimism, let me search for any excuse why you're wrong.

It's as if people get enjoyment out of the team being bad at everything.