2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread

[radioactivenuts]

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I just literally sized up the potential draft eligibles for the first round. Just counted 19 players that are under 6ft, that have a very strong chance to go in the first round.

Lucas Raymond 5'10 165 lbs
Tim Stutzle 5'11 165 lbs
Marco Rossi 5'9 179 lbs
Cole Perfetti 5'10 185 lbs
Jamie Drysdale 5'11 165 lbs
Lucas Cormier 5'10 161 lbs
Jacob Perreault 5'11 198 lbs
Mavrik Bourque 5'10 163 lbs
Roni Hirvonen 5'9 154 lbs
Zion Nybeck 5'8 176 lbs
Kasper Simontaival 5'9 179 lbs
Antonio Stranges 5'10 179 lbs
JeanLuc Foudy 5'11 168 lbs
Justin Sourdif 5'11 165 lbs
Seth Jarvis 5'9 165 lbs
Marat Khusnutdinov 5'11 176 lbs
Vasily Ponomaryov 5'10 170 lbs
Emil Andrae 5'9 181 lbs
Sean Farrell 5'9 175 lbs

The thing is that most of them are not ready for the nhl in terms of weight and body. Some of them probably need more than 3 years to get NHL ready.
Stutzle won´t play in the NHL next year, probably not even in 2 years, thats why I don´t see him as a top 5 pick.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

thank god he is austrian, he is the player every Austrian has been looking for in the past years

That be very true. Austria has been lagging behind severely ... Niederreiter ... nope Swiss lol :faceplam:

It's been a long time but Rossi seems to be totally legit. Also - not that I give a f*** about Moto GP - but Marco Rossi is a grand caliber name.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That be very true. Austria has been lagging behind severely ... Niederreiter ... nope Swiss lol :faceplam:

It's been a long time but Rossi seems to be totally legit. Also - not that I give a **** about Moto GP - but Marco Rossi is a grand caliber game.

I live in Austria and I am shocked at the lack of hype surrounding Rossi. Part of this is because he plays in Canada of course, but still.

 

[radioactivenuts]

I live in Austria and I am shocked at the lack of hype surrounding Rossi. Part of this is because he plays in Canada of course, but still.

Yep this is whats wrong in our country.

 

[Joey Bones]

Defenseman Jake Sanderson at No. 11 is the highest-ranked skater from the USA Hockey National Team Development Program Under-18 team. Sanderson (6-1, 186), the son of former NHL forward Geoff Sanderson, is committed to the University of North Dakota for next season. He has 15 points (four goals, 11 assists) in 31 games.

Every year, there are bloodlines. Maybe more then any other sport. Sanderson's father played 17 years, 1104 NHL Games. That's quite a career!

Meh, Sanderson is okay. I don't really like what the USNTDP has to offer this year, TBH.

 

[Joey Bones]

I've been a big fan of Gunler. He is, in my opinion, just as talented as Lucas Raymond. The pure skill is off the charts with him.

It would make sense for NYR to see a lot of him, too.

 

[Joey Bones]

I'm seeing Dawson Marcer getting into the top 10 lately in most consensus. Lundell and Holloway seem to be dropping....

 

[QJL]

I've been a big fan of Gunler. He is, in my opinion, just as talented as Lucas Raymond. The pure skill is off the charts with him.

Gunler has been securely in my top 10 all year. He’s had his moments for Lulea but it’s really been a shame how little he’s played this season. He’s got a cannon and is more well rounded than people think.

I live in Austria and I am shocked at the lack of hype surrounding Rossi. Part of this is because he plays in Canada of course, but still.

It’s the height with Rossi. Players at 5 foot/single digits never get drafted at the top of the draft. I think it’s the only reason he hasn’t gotten the 3-5 hype you would expect. I expect he goes in the 4-7 range. He’s had an amazing year and I’ll be curious to see what the team that drafts him decides on. Staying in the OHL would not be a good step for his development.

 

[Lion Hound]

Meh, Sanderson is okay. I don't really like what the USNTDP has to offer this year, TBH.

I don't know enough about him yet. Was just noticing that once again this draft has the bloodlines again.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It would make sense for NYR to see a lot of him, too.

Luleå will be the new TPS

 

[Edge]

I'm seeing Dawson Marcer getting into the top 10 lately in most consensus. Lundell and Holloway seem to be dropping....

Holloway is a kid who scouts seems to be divided on. And that divide primarily is based around two areas of concern:

1. The offensive ceiling.

2. Exactly what kind of player Holloway is going to be.

A lot of the elements are there, but they aren't quite in place the way one would expect. He's got hands, speed, sandpaper, and anticipation to his game --- but he hasn't established himself as a big-time scorer, or a power forward, or a two-way specialist. So that begs the question, what is he exactly?

 

[Edge]

Meh, Sanderson is okay. I don't really like what the USNTDP has to offer this year, TBH.

It's average this year, and tends to look underwhelming because last year's crop was generational as a collective.

 

[Edge]

I live in Austria and I am shocked at the lack of hype surrounding Rossi. Part of this is because he plays in Canada of course, but still.

I think the size/frame still scares some people, not unlike Caufield.

But like Caufield, this kid has a good chance to have his name called very early at the draft --- probably sooner than most lists would indicate.

 

[Joey Bones]

Luleå will be the new TPS

LOLOL Frolunda would be jealous

 

[Joey Bones]

Holloway is a kid who scouts seems to be divided on. And that divide primarily is based around two areas of concern:

1. The offensive ceiling.

2. Exactly what kind of player Holloway is going to be.

A lot of the elements are there, but they aren't quite in place the way one would expect. He's got hands, speed, sandpaper, and anticipation to his game --- but he hasn't established himself as a big-time scorer, or a power forward, or a two-way specialist. So that begs the question, what is he exactly?

Can agree with this. Offensive ceiling being the main concern, for me. I think he'll be a steady NHLer, but where in the lineup and how often are the key attributes that need to be sorted as he develops.

 

[Joey Bones]

It's average this year, and tends to look underwhelming because last year's crop was generational as a collective.

I mean, yeah, but no one has really put the effort/points to be highly considered as a 1st round talent, in my eyes. I think there are a lot of good 2nd rounds and later, but none are really screaming out to me. Yes, last year was historical, but they had guys who definitely deserved the accolade.

 

[Joey Bones]

Helge Grans signed a two year extension with Malmo today....

 

[bobbop]

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I just literally sized up the potential draft eligibles for the first round. Just counted 19 players that are under 6ft, that have a very strong chance to go in the first round.

Lucas Raymond 5'10 165 lbs
Tim Stutzle 5'11 165 lbs
Marco Rossi 5'9 179 lbs
Cole Perfetti 5'10 185 lbs
Jamie Drysdale 5'11 165 lbs
Lucas Cormier 5'10 161 lbs
Jacob Perreault 5'11 198 lbs
Mavrik Bourque 5'10 163 lbs
Roni Hirvonen 5'9 154 lbs
Zion Nybeck 5'8 176 lbs
Kasper Simontaival 5'9 179 lbs
Antonio Stranges 5'10 179 lbs
JeanLuc Foudy 5'11 168 lbs
Justin Sourdif 5'11 165 lbs
Seth Jarvis 5'9 165 lbs
Marat Khusnutdinov 5'11 176 lbs
Vasily Ponomaryov 5'10 170 lbs
Emil Andrae 5'9 181 lbs
Sean Farrell 5'9 175 lbs

For us watchers, not participants in this thread, aside from Byfield, who are the bigger players that a team might be looking at. The Rangers have a need for more size and bulk. Watcha got for me?

 

[Edge]

Can agree with this. Offensive ceiling being the main concern, for me. I think he'll be a steady NHLer, but where in the lineup and how often are the key attributes that need to be sorted as he develops.

I really like Holloway as a pick in the 11-20 range. My only concern is that he reminds me a little bit of Steve Kelly in 1995.

Similar builds, both guys were slightly older birthdays and were praised as guys who had a number of very interesting tools.

But Kelly was another guy who never could quite figure out what type of pro player he was going to be. Was he scorer? What type of support player was he? How much sandpaper was needed to make up the difference, etc. I see some of that in Holloway.

A more recent example, and a mixed bag success story, might by Eric Nystrom in 2002. Carved out a very nice 10 year pro career that was somewhat cut short by injuries, but he never quite became the player Calgary envisioned, nor did the offense ever get to that next level.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I posted this in another thread but Gunler seems like a prospect that is either going to be a star, or flame out hard

He just strikes me as somewhere with very little inbetween

 

[mas0764]

I really think the Rangers need to find a way to trade up if they don't strike lottery luck again. They have a ton of assets, especially on defense, and cannot possibly accommodate them all on the active NHL roster.

They need another top line, difference making forward.

Fortunately, this team's status as a perennial free agent attraction destination helps them tremendously. You can't afford to sign a Panarin every year, and in fact at best (in any city) you might get one of those top-end free agents both being available and wanting to come to NYC once every few years. But of the guys truly considered top-tier, we have a history of Gaborik, Nash (basically forcing his way via trade) and now Panarin, all since 2009. So that's like three in a decade.... legit, top-line players. Panarin being the best of the bunch and an MVP candidate to boot -- a whole different level than Gaborik and Nash, even.

So we have free agency to supplement our top lines as way more of an option than other teams do, fortunately.

But nonetheless, how nice would it be to have one more "sure-fire" type top 6 prospect? Another Kravtsov or Chytil who you know is gonna be an offensive stud. Doesn't have to be another Kakko necessarily, but.... maybe that next tier down?

 

[True Blue]

I'm seeing Dawson Marcer getting into the top 10 lately in most consensus. Lundell and Holloway seem to be dropping....

Let 'em drop all the way to NYR.

BTW, the Rangers pick is now building for the future. I doubt they get the top 2 so anyone they take is really looking 4-5 years down the line.

 

[Lion Hound]

For us watchers, not participants in this thread, aside from Byfield, who are the bigger players that a team might be looking at. The Rangers have a need for more size and bulk. Watcha got for me?

A few Notable Forwards;



Dylan Holloway fits the mold. He’s not a giant, but he is 6’0 192. Maybe has some growing too still do. He’s playing with Wisconsin so if you have cable you can catch a few games on TV of him. Played for Canada on the U-18 TEAM. Scott Wheeler from the Athletic had some good words to say about him. "There isn’t a coach in the NHL who doesn’t want a powerful, talented, heavy, physical winger who can push tempo and play with an edge. That’s what Holloway brings." Wheeler called him a winger, and he may play there but he is a natural center. So, Holloway will potentially be in striking distance when the Rangers take the podium.




I like Jake Neighbors. Kid is full of piss and vinegar when he plays, yet sounds like a solid guy in his interviews, etc. They love him in Edmonton. Prototypical Western Canadien kid. A lot of places will have him positioned as a 2nd rounder but I think he could go 1st round of the draft. If the clubs lands an additional pick with a trade in the late first I wouldn’t be disappointed if he was the pick. There’s a thread in the prospect board on him going back to 2018. Some were comparing him to Landeskog, others to Myles Wood.

Brandon Colangelo has some size to him. Strong kid, who is strong on his skates. Not an overly physical player, but he is a good combo of size, power and skill. He recently won USHL player of the week.
Plays wing for Chicago Steel. 34 points in 23 appearances. He scored 18 goals and assisted 16 goals this season. Late 1st round to mid 2nd round potential.


A couple notable defenders;

Camaryn Baber vs Ryan O'Rourke Dec 28, 2018

Ryan O’Rourke is a Left Defenseman in the OHL with the Greyhounds. Kid can shoot the puck. He’s also a little bit of an old school guy, tough to play against. He’s from PA. A physical specimen. Has the size, and trains crossfit. Likes to drop the mitts ans he’s pretty good at it too. He’s Ranked #32 Central Scouting NA skaters. Has too much of what certain coaches are looking for. I think he can go in the first round, or maybe an early 2nd rounder.

Camaryn Baber vs Ryan O'Rourke Dec 28, 2018

Brayden Schneider is another. Dman for the Brandon Wheat Kings. Likely a 1st rounder. Likes to throw the body, and play a physical. Likes likes to join the rush. Schneider reminds me of Jacob Trouba. I think he can go in the first round. Checks a lot of boxes. Right Handed dman, with size that can join the rush and play physical.

 

[bobbop]

A few Notable Forwards;



Dylan Holloway fits the mold. He’s not a giant, but he is 6’0 192. Maybe has some growing too still do. He’s playing with Wisconsin so if you have cable you can catch a few games on TV of him. Played for Canada on the U-18 TEAM. Scott Wheeler from the Athletic had some good words to say about him. "There isn’t a coach in the NHL who doesn’t want a powerful, talented, heavy, physical winger who can push tempo and play with an edge. That’s what Holloway brings." Wheeler called him a winger, and he may play there but he is a natural center. So, Holloway will potentially be in striking distance when the Rangers take the podium.




I like Jake Neighbors. Kid is full of piss and vinegar when he plays, yet sounds like a solid guy in his interviews, etc. They love him in Edmonton. Prototypical Western Canadien kid. A lot of places will have him positioned as a 2nd rounder but I think he could go 1st round of the draft. If the clubs lands an additional pick with a trade in the late first I wouldn’t be disappointed if he was the pick. There’s a thread in the prospect board on him going back to 2018. Some were comparing him to Landeskog, others to Myles Wood.

Brandon Colangelo has some size to him. Strong kid, who is strong on his skates. Not an overly physical player, but he is a good combo of size, power and skill. He recently won USHL player of the week.
Plays wing for Chicago Steel. 34 points in 23 appearances. He scored 18 goals and assisted 16 goals this season. Late 1st round to mid 2nd round potential.


A couple notable defenders;

Camaryn Baber vs Ryan O'Rourke Dec 28, 2018

Ryan O’Rourke is a Left Defenseman in the OHL with the Greyhounds. Kid can shoot the puck. He’s also a little bit of an old school guy, tough to play against. He’s from PA. A physical specimen. Has the size, and trains crossfit. Likes to drop the mitts ans he’s pretty good at it too. He’s Ranked #32 Central Scouting NA skaters. Has too much of what certain coaches are looking for. I think he can go in the first round, or maybe an early 2nd rounder.

Camaryn Baber vs Ryan O'Rourke Dec 28, 2018

Brayden Schneider is another. Dman for the Brandon Wheat Kings. Likely a 1st rounder. Likes to throw the body, and play a physical. Likes likes to join the rush. Schneider reminds me of Jacob Trouba. I think he can go in the first round. Checks a lot of boxes. Right Handed dman, with size that can join the rush and play physical.

Thanks @Lion Hound Just what I was looking for.

 

[QJL]

Brandon Colangelo has some size to him. Strong kid, who is strong on his skates. Not an overly physical player, but he is a good combo of size, power and skill. He recently won USHL player of the week.
Plays wing for Chicago Steel. 34 points in 23 appearances. He scored 18 goals and assisted 16 goals this season. Late 1st round to mid 2nd round potential.

Nice write ups.

Sam Colangelo