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2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part II

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Joey Bones said:
Okay, this is the last post I will be discussing with you on this topic. We obviously don't agree with each other....

There is always scenarios where a player could develop nicely or digress drastically. Everything is speculation, none of us (actually some of us) have factual insight from the Rangers themselves on this board site. Sure, Trouba could be the best defenseman the Rangers have ever had, DeAngelo could sign another bridge deal and become the next best offensive defender in the league, your trade scenario works out with NYR as the biggest winners of deal. Lundkvist/Miller don't pan out in Buffalo or Florida, the two first round picks they sent turn busts and Buch jumps to the KHL because he was sat all the time.

But in reality, there is a salary cap, there are three sides to trade negotiations and there is a plan the Rangers have been sticking to since the note. Their prospect depth is good.... AT THE MOMENT. This will deplete over time because of the development curves. Some will pan out. Some will not. Some will pan out with other teams. You should not sell the team's best prospects for a push now, when all the parts aren't fully developed yet and again THERE IS A SALARY CAP. It's progressing, but not there yet. Who has ever said that the league envies their depth, especially when you JUST SAID THEIR FORWARDS ARE THIN?

The rumor is that the salary cap will remain the same next season, a big drop from the projected $4-$8M more from the league. This will put the Rangers in cap trouble because they don't have enough to sign their RFA's Strome and DeAngelo. So in essence, yes, they would be traded if they can't get them signed, which in turn opens a spot for the prospects to become full-time roster players. But they would be traded for salary purposes, which lowers their value on the market and would essentially not work to your trade conditions. Where would they fit Eichel or Barkov? It's wishful thinking.

I have never said their prospect pool is "meh". Don't put words in my mouth!! Some of the Ranger prospects have limited time to make it to the NHL based on their current contract structure. Rykov has this coming year as his last via his ELC (which has an EOC attachment to terminate the contract if he doesn't make the Rangers and decides to go back to the KHL. Was also injury riddled this past year) and Hajek, too, will potentially have this last year to make the Rangers as he is most likely to be exposed in the expansion draft for Seattle. Reunanen, also, has loan capability to his deal if he doesn't make the Rangers roster (he has two years left and a non-option if he heads overseas), Jones will most likely be in the NCAA for all four years so he's a non-option right now. Let him cook. Robertson will be a No. 1 in juniors and will most likely take one or two years to develop in Hartford after. The only ones who you could really see make a potential impact next season or the season after is Miller and/or Lundkvist. Again a lot could happen in just one season. The team will go from "best defensive pool" to "in need" really quickly. At the end of next season, you could see about 2-3 defensemen out of the organization.

Rykov, Hajek, Reunanen.... those are prospects you, if necessary, trade due to their small window. If they're so good that the Rangers have the best depth defensively, wouldn't teams be calling for their services? For the last time trading Buch, two first rounders and one of Miller or Lundkvist is asinine for someone that the Rangers can't fit in their current cap, especially when they could sign a serviceable one until their draft picks develop, ala Strome and Chytil.

Your trade proposal does not make sense for this team now. It's not me being negative and further from dishonest. If your offended by this debate that's on you....
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Saying you disagree with the trade isn’t dishonest, I’m just saying you are projecting literally the worst possible outcomes when highlighting why the trade would be bad.

I said our defensive depth is the envy of the league and it is. Our forward prospect depth is shallow, though. But as for “being thin” in the defensive prospect pool in 2-3 years, yeah, that is the story with everybody’s prospect pool.... you are always just a generation away from those guys graduating to the NHL. The idea is to get them to your big club. Keep drafting well is the only way to keep your prospect pool elite, but having an elite prospect pool is only a worthy goal to the extent that it helps you stock your NHL team with talent at the end of the day.

The important point here is that the Rangers have four young D already. Even if one of them leaves in trade or FA due to unaffordability, thats realistically the most attrition you will see out of DeAngelo/Fox/Trouba/Lindgren in the next 3-4 years.

The Rangers really only have 2 defensive spots to be filled, maybe 3, and it can be with bottom tier guys if need be because the quality is already present.

Filling those spots with Rykovs or Reunanens is just fine.

As such, Miller AND Lundkvist, who both project as top-4 D, is simply more than we will likely take advantage of. If they grab the last two spots themselves, then there is no room for Rykov, Reunanen, Hajek, Jones, Robertson, etc, and THEY will have to be traded.

So someone is getting traded or departing no matter what. But if the idea is to maximize talent and it’s distribution across your roster, then maybe it’s a good idea not to go 6 deep on top-4 defensemen and instead parlay one of those extra elite D prospects or two into a top forward prospect. A consolidation trade is gonna have to occur.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
I don't consider myself Dutch. I dislike Dutch people more than anyone. Never really related to them. I have lived 75% of my adult live elsewhere anyway
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Its of course extreme generalizations and what not, but at the same time there are differences in culture that is noticeable. I thought it was a bit funny because everyone from the Netherlands that I've come across has been super friendly and humble and just genuinely nice guys kind of like Swedes (like I know I can be a super prick at times at this place, but in "real life" I am very cautious and soft spoken lol).
 
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Jake Sanderson sounds like a guy the Rangers would covet if he’s surprisingly around at their first 1st rounder... bloodlines, US NDTP, NCAA Dakota commit, Captain, very good skater, also plays the left side... checks a lot of Ranger boxes.
 
The draft order talk on here has revolved around a 24 team playoff. Top 6 from each division competing. That puts Buffalo in and us out with the 7th pick. My understanding though is that a top 12 from each conference is the more likely scenario. This slots us in at 10 in the conference. Is there any evidence which way the league is actually leaning?
 
CTRanger said:
The draft order talk on here has revolved around a 24 team playoff. Top 6 from each division competing. That puts Buffalo in and us out with the 7th pick. My understanding though is that a top 12 from each conference is the more likely scenario. This slots us in at 10 in the conference. Is there any evidence which way the league is actually leaning?
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Latest report had the top-6 from each division, haven't seen anything that mentions the 12 team proposal is more likely/preferred.

TBH, while would love to see more NYR hockey this year, the top-6 option which leaves NYR with a top-7 pick (maybe even higher after they determine the lotto system for the 7 teams) sets us up WAY better than playoffs this year (in some ridiculous format.) Then we go into next season with the freshest legs, already the youngest team, with another elite prospect to add into the mix. We'll see...
 
Ola said:
@Amazing Kreiderman

Haha, is this true? Are negotiations with Dutch ‘notorious’ for this?
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I know that you're asking AK, but I worked 20 years at Shell and saw plenty of situations like that. It can be rather shocking at times. There was even a book passed around on cultural differences between Americans and the Dutch. You have to remember what may be challenging in one culture might be rude to another. Americans did things to offend the Dutch, too. Of course not everyone is like the stereotypes, but there is some cultural truth to it. You won't see too many business settings where Americans tell each other that their ideas are stupid. HR would be called in five seconds.

Nigerians could take it on another level though. I used to manage a Nigerian finance team that had several Nigerian contractors. One time, one of the Nigerians disagreed with a woman in a meeting. The guy starts saying, "women should have no voices in a meeting. I would rather listen to a donkey's opinion". Oh boy. We also had a Nigerian Project Manager that was part of Royalty back home and he would frequently remind other Nigerians of their class differences. I'll never forget one time how he berated one of my guys for telling him that his project was trending towards going over budget.
 
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McSauer said:
Latest report had the top-6 from each division, haven't seen anything that mentions the 12 team proposal is more likely/preferred.

TBH, while would love to see more NYR hockey this year, the top-6 option which leaves NYR with a top-7 pick (maybe even higher after they determine the lotto system for the 7 teams) sets us up WAY better than playoffs this year (in some ridiculous format.) Then we go into next season with the freshest legs, already the youngest team, with another elite prospect to add into the mix. We'll see...
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The Athletic had a story by Burnside yesterday. From the article:

So, what would it look like? As LeBrun reported late Thursday evening, that remains a point of discussion for the league and the players. Still, multiple sources have indicated a 24-team model that would look something like this has been very much on the front burner.
Twelve teams from each of the two conferences would gather in four hub cities, six teams per city

Regardless of where the games are played, the Eastern Conference would look something like this:

Atlantic Division Hub: Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Florida, New York Rangers and Montreal.

The Rangers, who have the 11th-best winning percentage in the conference, would cross over from the Metropolitan Division.

Metropolitan Division Hub: Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Carolina, New York Islanders and Columbus Blue Jackets.
 
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nyrage said:
The Athletic had a story by Burnside yesterday. From the article:

So, what would it look like? As LeBrun reported late Thursday evening, that remains a point of discussion for the league and the players. Still, multiple sources have indicated a 24-team model that would look something like this has been very much on the front burner.
Twelve teams from each of the two conferences would gather in four hub cities, six teams per city

Regardless of where the games are played, the Eastern Conference would look something like this:

Atlantic Division Hub: Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Florida, New York Rangers and Montreal.

The Rangers, who have the 11th-best winning percentage in the conference, would cross over from the Metropolitan Division.

Metropolitan Division Hub: Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Carolina, New York Islanders and Columbus Blue Jackets.
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Interesting! Thank you.

TBH, doubt we see anything at all...140k+ will be dead in the US alone by August, so doubt we see ANY sports whatsoever for a while...just hopeful next season season starts on time and uninterrupted.
 
nyrage said:
I sat in a lot of meetings at Shell where the Dutch called people names or told them that their ideas were stupid. I don't think apologies are necessary, especially to yourself. It's just accepted as part of your culture. Ha. The Nigerians were worse by the way, especially when it came to women or other Nigerians. Cringe-worthy moments to be sure.
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The Dutch are rather well known for their bluntness. I was on the road tour managing when we stopped in a pub after a show in Utrecht and had a gal tell me that she wasn’t going to sleep with me, even though I wasn’t hitting on her. Things changed.
 
nyrage said:
The Athletic had a story by Burnside yesterday. From the article:

So, what would it look like? As LeBrun reported late Thursday evening, that remains a point of discussion for the league and the players. Still, multiple sources have indicated a 24-team model that would look something like this has been very much on the front burner.
Twelve teams from each of the two conferences would gather in four hub cities, six teams per city

Regardless of where the games are played, the Eastern Conference would look something like this:

Atlantic Division Hub: Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Florida, New York Rangers and Montreal.

The Rangers, who have the 11th-best winning percentage in the conference, would cross over from the Metropolitan Division.

Metropolitan Division Hub: Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Carolina, New York Islanders and Columbus Blue Jackets.
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Booooooo
 
Lebruns article on the Athletic he posted about an hour ago says that the June draft idea has been met with significant resistance, so it’s unclear whether or not it will happen

He said ultimately it’s up to Bettman though, he doesn’t need anyone’s approval to have the draft.

Somehow the Rangers will get boned by whatever decision they make I’m sure
 
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nyrage said:
The Athletic had a story by Burnside yesterday. From the article:

So, what would it look like? As LeBrun reported late Thursday evening, that remains a point of discussion for the league and the players. Still, multiple sources have indicated a 24-team model that would look something like this has been very much on the front burner.
Twelve teams from each of the two conferences would gather in four hub cities, six teams per city

Regardless of where the games are played, the Eastern Conference would look something like this:

Atlantic Division Hub: Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Florida, New York Rangers and Montreal.

The Rangers, who have the 11th-best winning percentage in the conference, would cross over from the Metropolitan Division.

Metropolitan Division Hub: Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Carolina, New York Islanders and Columbus Blue Jackets.
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Rangers in the Atlantic? Yawn
 
bobbop said:
You are way out of line here.
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It's fine. If having an opinion from watching European prospects play 20-30 times in the season makes me "act like a pseudo scout", so be it. I don't go around ranking 100 prospects like some others do. I don't claim to know better than pro scouts.

I'm used to this stuff. It's the same with the stalking-BS. I've had people yell at me to "leave these families alone" as if I know what Kravtsov's dad looks like. Or Lundkvist's grandpa. Or Henriksson's aunt. They approach me. If these players really were opposed to it, they wouldn't agree to interviews I do with them, and would not have come up after the game to talk to me which happens in a lot of cases.

This week I have calls with 3 different Ranger prospects for a Q&A, but sure. I should "Stop harrassing them". I will just chalk it up to jealousy.
 
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