2020-2021 St. Louis Blues: Generic Thread Titles Be Damned (Part II)

[Renard]

Good for Jake Walman. He scored his first NHL goal last night. Along with hits, blocked shots.

It looks like he will be a capable player for the Blues. At least some good has come from this mess of a season.

 

[Renard]

Nobody doesnt understand it. Army didnt want to give security and didnt see having Pietro would help us be competitive and Cup window open next 5-years. He miserable made mistake let him go. You take away pineapple and add couple small grapes to fill that hole.

It will bite our arse in long time. No matter if Pietro last years would have been 'bad'. We could eventually have even bigger problems having Krug 6.5mill.$ and Faulk 6.5mill.$ last years of their contracts vs Pietro's.

As crazy as it has been noted Dom from athletic noted Pietro would most likely age well and wouldn't be bad in his last years of his contract.

This all fights against Army.

I'll give everything on Army, respect he created Cup team. It wont be taken away and it was blessing have him on GM job, but after 1-year, he destroy everything what he build.

It's going to be tough to watch your team grumble. We are yet again position we need something on back end in D-core. Before it was true #1 center and goaltender. We got those fixed and problem goes back.

Frustration times.

It's in the past. We can't change it now. Move on. Turn the page. Get over it. It's spilled milk.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Do it anyway, kid. Be a true team player.

 

[Xerloris]

Do it anyway, kid. Be a true team player.

Am I the only one not shocked that he wouldn't take a punch to the face to help the team?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Am I the only one not shocked that he wouldn't take a punch to the face to help the team?

You know Borts was. Of all the bad players we have had, he is probably my favorite.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

The real question is: what sparked that fight in the first place. Guaranteed it was because Sanford was being lazy.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I think Armstrong is going to trade Hoffman, but not Bozak or Schwartz. I also think the Blues will make the playoffs. I just don’t see where Hoffman fits into this line-up now. A playoff line-up would have him as a depth forward, in my opinion. His cap hit is pretty flexible for a contender.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I think Armstrong is going to trade Hoffman, but not Bozak or Schwartz. I also think the Blues will make the playoffs. I just don’t see where Hoffman fits into this line-up now. A playoff line-up would have him as a depth forward, in my opinion. His cap hit is pretty flexible for a contender.

Moving Hoffman for a side-grade at either defense or a more two-way forward that can still chip in some goals would be ideal. Lehkonen might be that guy.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Montreal insiders seem to think there is a chance they are pursuing Dunn/Bozak. I’d rather Dunn/Hoffman. I think they have some cap flexibility with Gallagher’s 3.75M going on LTIR. I assume they’d have to send salary back but not 1 for 1.

I have no idea who the Blues would target on their roster. I’d look for a 1st and...what? I imagine interest in Drouin has faded.

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

Montreal insiders seem to think there is a chance they are pursuing Dunn/Bozak. I’d rather Dunn/Hoffman. I think they have some cap flexibility with Gallagher’s 3.75M going on LTIR. I assume they’d have to send salary back but not 1 for 1.

I have no idea who the Blues would target on their roster. I’d look for a 1st and...what? I imagine interest in Drouin has faded.

I’d do something around Dunn+Bozak for Lehkonen+Eddy, with some picks on both sides to even it out. They’d have to move a dman out, but who knows if Eddy would be that guy.

As far as Hoffman, I’d like to get a pick or maybe 1 for 1 with a better fitting guy for our system.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

There is no reason we should trade for Savard, Hall or anyone else that's on the trade bait list in some desperate hope that adding them to this lineup suddenly makes it a Cup contender or even a 2nd-round candidate. I guess one could say trade Hoffman for X, trade X to get ______ but does _______ really impact this team's chances? Does that player keep us from giving up 51 shots last night? Do they step in for a clearly hobbled Parayko? Do they finally unlock Krug's virtually non-existent offensive PP game?

Sometimes, you have to realize when it's not your time and play the long game. That's where I think we are. If this group gets its shit together and gets into the playoffs, great - make them overachieve. Don't spend pieces we really can't afford to lose hoping for a more miraculous run than 2019.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

There is no reason we should trade for Savard, Hall or anyone else that's on the trade bait list in some desperate hope that adding them to this lineup suddenly makes it a Cup contender or even a 2nd-round candidate. I guess one could say trade Hoffman for X, trade X to get ______ but does _______ really impact this team's chances? Does that player keep us from giving up 51 shots last night? Do they step in for a clearly hobbled Parayko? Do they finally unlock Krug's virtually non-existent offensive PP game?

Sometimes, you have to realize when it's not your time and play the long game. That's where I think we are. If this group gets its shit together and gets into the playoffs, great - make them overachieve. Don't spend pieces we really can't afford to lose hoping for a more miraculous run than 2019.

I see no problem with trading for a player you re-sign. If he helps this post-season, great. But if he becomes a part of the team over his next contract you’ve basically traded for his negotiating rights and an extended firsthand look (by both parties) before pulling the trigger. Sure, you could just sign him as an UFA but in practicality it’s not unrealistic to have a the extended negotiating opportunity.

Hoffman pretty clearly stands no chance of re-signing with St Louis.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Good for Jake Walman. He scored his first NHL goal last night. Along with hits, blocked shots.

It looks like he will be a capable player for the Blues. At least some good has come from this mess of a season.

Always liked his game and love his perseverance.

He was so fun to watch skate when he was with the Wolves.

That goal was the quintessential defenseman goal; pinching in with a slapper. Beautiful!

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I see no problem with trading for a player you re-sign. If he helps this post-season, great. But if he becomes a part of the team over his next contract you’ve basically traded for his negotiating rights and an extended firsthand look (by both parties) before pulling the trigger. Sure, you could just sign him as an UFA but in practicality it’s not unrealistic to have a the extended negotiating opportunity.

Sure, we could trade for someone and do the look-and-see thing. Since trades can't have conditions based on whether a guy signs with his new team or not, what we'd be saying is "here, here's some stuff for this guy ... we really hope he works out like we want and it's not a crap fit and we toss him in the UFA bin" and no one is giving us a discount for that when they can get a better price elsewhere. We don't have a hell of a lot to afford to fork over because we've already got a fairly barren prospect system as it is and IMO we can use all the pieces for the future we can get. IMO, it's not a smart strategy unless we're really certain that's the guy we want going forward. There's an entire expansion draft to come, guys could be available there. The draft will happen, there could be other guys available then. Let's be patient, not get twitchy fingers.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Sure, we could trade for someone and do the look-and-see thing. Since trades can't have conditions based on whether a guy signs with his new team or not, what we'd be saying is "here, here's some stuff for this guy ... we really hope he works out like we want and it's not a crap fit and we toss him in the UFA bin" and no one is giving us a discount for that when they can get a better price elsewhere. We don't have a hell of a lot to afford to fork over because we've already got a fairly barren prospect system as it is and IMO we can use all the pieces for the future we can get. IMO, it's not a smart strategy unless we're really certain that's the guy we want going forward. There's an entire expansion draft to come, guys could be available there. The draft will happen, there could be other guys available then. Let's be patient, not get twitchy fingers.

I agree. I’m just outlining a scenario where a trade acquisition would be reasonable: the team scouts want this guy and the team have reason to believe they can re-sign him reasonably.

 

[BlueDream]

Am I the only one not shocked that he wouldn't take a punch to the face to help the team?

Do you just make up reasons to hate on the guy?

 

[Xerloris]

Do you just make up reasons to hate on the guy?

You would have to be blind to think I make up reasons to hate Sanford.

 

[Ranksu]

It's in the past. We can't change it now. Move on. Turn the page. Get over it. It's spilled milk.

Well Army can fix his mistake by trading midgets away for dmen who knows how to defend.

 

[Renard]

Montreal insiders seem to think there is a chance they are pursuing Dunn/Bozak. I’d rather Dunn/Hoffman. I think they have some cap flexibility with Gallagher’s 3.75M going on LTIR. I assume they’d have to send salary back but not 1 for 1.

I have no idea who the Blues would target on their roster. I’d look for a 1st and...what? I imagine interest in Drouin has faded.

We lusted over Drouin a couple of years ago. Maybe Armstrong still likes him.

I hope we keep Dunn. I originally thought we would be another Duncan Keith, but Dunn is taking his time getting there. I see Dunn as better than Krug, cheaper, and unfilled potential.

 

[Renard]

Well Army can fix his mistake by trading midgets away for dmen who knows how to defend.

You mean Krug? I'm not impressed, either. But he has such a big contract it would be hard to move him.

Dunn has been around a while and he doesn't qualify as a prospect, but I still like his potential. I was hoping he would be another Duncan Keith. I hope we don't move him.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Montreal insiders seem to think there is a chance they are pursuing Dunn/Bozak. I’d rather Dunn/Hoffman. I think they have some cap flexibility with Gallagher’s 3.75M going on LTIR. I assume they’d have to send salary back but not 1 for 1.

I have no idea who the Blues would target on their roster. I’d look for a 1st and...what? I imagine interest in Drouin has faded.

Montreal has had lots of fairly high picks lately. I’d like to mine some of that talent. I’ve always liked Josh Brook, for instance.

 

[Brian39]

I’d do something around Dunn+Bozak for Lehkonen+Eddy, with some picks on both sides to even it out. They’d have to move a dman out, but who knows if Eddy would be that guy.

As far as Hoffman, I’d like to get a pick or maybe 1 for 1 with a better fitting guy for our system.

I can't imagine that Montreal would trade Eddy, especially for that return. He is putting up very, very good possession numbers, leads the NHL in +/- by a pretty wide margin, is playing legit top 4 minutes, and has a very reasonable $3.5M cap hit for 3 more seasons after this one. He has excelled in a top 4 role on that team and is paid reasonably for that role. I don't think many people around the league would view Dunn as an upgrade to Eddy for Montreal.

 

[Stealth JD]

i can't see Army "pulling the plug" on the season, so to speak, by trading Schwartz and Bozak. The goal is to just make the playoffs, and give yourself a chance to catch lightning in a bottle. I think if they squeaked into the 4-seed they'd like their chances against Colorado having had some recent success against them. When healthy this is a competitive club and I think Army believes that, even if the season has been a dumpster-fire to this point. The dumpster-fire was primarily health-related though, and the flames appear to be dying down.

The Minnesota games will tell a lot.

 

[Frenzy31]

I think the game tonight will be the desiring factor. All to offen this year the second game of a back to back is terrible and we get blown out. If we can win again tonight, you will see us going from sellers to holders. Maybe a tweet trade, but not likely.

Minni will come back hard tonight......

 

[Majorityof1]

I'm torn by this Blues resurgence. While it was super fun to watch the Blues beat the piss out of somebody, I do think it would ultimately be in the team's best interest to sell off UFAs and get a lottery pick. While the draft isn't great, our cupboard is bare. Our scouts are pretty good at finding diamonds in the rough, so I'd rather they had a few more and bit higher shots at it. I don't think we will go far in the playoffs, even if we make it there. We may have beaten Vegas and stomped Minny, but we are most likely facing Colorado in round 1 if we make it in. They are a beast of a different color entirely.