William H Bonney
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Nah, it'll be like the Hlinka against the US where they scored after the clock had expired but got it counted anyway.
WC: 2019 US Roster Discussion Part II
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Nah, it'll be like the Hlinka against the US where they scored after the clock had expired but got it counted anyway.
jj cale
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We've made our own luck Bonney, good teams do that. Case in point today, they just kept coming until they broke them.
We aren't in the semis because of luck, we've damn well earned it.
Artorius Horus T
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team USA goal scorers:
DeBrincat 7
Larkin 3
Kreider 3
Kane 2
Eichel 2
Riemsdyk 2
Keller 2
White 2
Vatrano 2
Skjei 2
Ryan
Gaudreau
team USA point scorers:
Kane 12
DeBrincat 9
Eichel 8
Larkin 5
Riemsdyk 5
Suter 5
Kreider 4
Keller 4
Ryan 4
Martinez 4
JHughes 3
Hanifin 3
QHughes 3
Gaudreau 2
Glendening 2
Skjei 2
Fox
DeBrincat 7
Larkin 3
Kreider 3
Kane 2
Eichel 2
Riemsdyk 2
Keller 2
White 2
Vatrano 2
Skjei 2
Ryan
Gaudreau
team USA point scorers:
Kane 12
DeBrincat 9
Eichel 8
Larkin 5
Riemsdyk 5
Suter 5
Kreider 4
Keller 4
Ryan 4
Martinez 4
JHughes 3
Hanifin 3
QHughes 3
Gaudreau 2
Glendening 2
Skjei 2
Fox
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William H Bonney
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I think we're maybe being a bit too fatalistic about future rosters. I think we'll have some issues in that we certainly can't count on a guy like Larkin coming again. Or Kane playing three years in a row. Or Gaudreau coming again after two down tournaments. And so on. But I think some of the guys will surprise us by showing up again and we have enough depth for other guys to step up and play to build a roster - on paper at least - that should be a contender.
In hindsight, the warts of the roster that we worried about - particularly the RHD situation - can't be allowed to happen again next year. I'd have given up a couple of our top forwards to have secured 2 of the endless star RHD we had turn us down. Whomever is running our team next year needs to get a better balance.
Artorius Horus T
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Wrong player there, should of been a righty instead, ala DeBrincat, a boo-boo from Blashill
Kaner is lefty shooter, there were no time for Kaner to do anything in that position, DeBrincat would of due to his handedness.
William H Bonney
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jj cale
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Fine, kind of made it sound like it there though, it would be easy to misinterpret. Since I respect you a lot as a poster I will definitely take your word for it.
William H Bonney
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Tough to blame Blashill for that. Kane wasn't playing LW, he was playing his natural position all tournament, he just ended up on the left side of the net as the play developed.
Yeah i guess today showed that he is ready to play even he is physically still raw. He just looked physically so weak earlier in this tournament. Small 18 year old like him of course is not physically totally ready and you can't expect too much from him. Battle against Ovie today was awesome.
Artorius Horus T
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I think.... we are talking about a different play here, i was talking about the final seconds play, at the face-off
where the face-off is won, Kane receives the pass, but because Kane is left shooting player, he can't one time it,
if DeBrincat was on the ice instead, he would of been able to.
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William H Bonney
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I mean, he definitely is weak right now and it showed at various times in the tournament. He'll get a lot stronger but it's going to take a couple of years as he physically matures.
I actually think one of things that he needs to learn, and I'm sure he'll learn quickly, is it's ok to slow down. Against teenagers, he can always skate at 100 mph and the stick checks and partial body contact isn't enough to knock him off the puck most of the time. But against grown men, he gets himself into trouble because he'll skate himself into a stick check or slight shoulder contact that he could shrug off when it's a fellow teenager but when it's against a 26 year old, 200+ pound player, he can't withstand it yet. He wasn't getting rocked per se by getting stood up or put through the boards, but mostly he's just getting knocked off balance because he needs to do a better job of using his speed to create space and then slowing down to absorb that open space. He's a really smart player and he works incredibly hard, so I'm sure he'll figure it out quickly, especially after watching and learning from a guy like Kane on how to settle into space.
William H Bonney
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Yeah, I was talking about earlier in the 3rd after Russia had scored to go up 4-2. Not long after, Kane was receiving a pass through the crease that was bound to be an easy tap-in goal. It got slightly deflected on its way to him though and went more into his feet and he just couldn't react quick enough. 90%+ of the time, Kane still easily reacts and taps that in, but it just wasn't our day for the breaks to go our way.
Artorius Horus T
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Ah-yes. I actually missed that part, after the 4-2 goal i switched to Canada-Suisse game.
When was the last time when USA did not win any of the three tournaments? Least ladies won something.
Friar85
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Disapointing result. A ton of skating and puck skills but not enough commitment to get inside, win puck battles, close gaps and get to scoring areas. Folks go nuts when we take guys like Glendening and Ryan but I think we need a few more of these guys not less.
William H Bonney
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Wo Yorfat
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Oh give them a break. They were missing McDavid, Crosby, Burns, Doughty, Giroux, Stamkos, Taveres, Scheifele etc.
Two years in a row. Not good. I totally forgot we got only silver in u18s last year.
OKOptimistic
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This was the strongest roster we could of possibly brought and will probably be our strongest in a while. Russia didn't hold back either.
William H Bonney
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My overall thoughts are just a really disappointing tournament and a failed three years under Blashill's guidance. To have three of our best rosters on paper and only come out with a bronze is a massive failure, not just in terms of results, but also in the missed opportunities to potentially elevate this tournament's profile with American players.
I'm proud of the elite players that chose to play though. Hopefully the litany of other elite players that couldn't be bothered this year, or in many other years, start to follow their lead. And I'm proud of the way they played the final 50 minutes today against the best team on paper and in the tournament that's also been playing together for over a month. Had they shown up in the first 10 minutes, who knows what would have happened, but I'm proud that they didn't give up because if you told all of us Russia would score 70 seconds in and we'd have about 1 shot after 10 minutes, you would have for sure said we'd have quit and been blown out. The issue ended up being we flubbed our odd-man breaks, Russia didn't, and we lost the special teams battle.
Some other thoughts:
Forwards
I'm proud of the elite players that chose to play though. Hopefully the litany of other elite players that couldn't be bothered this year, or in many other years, start to follow their lead. And I'm proud of the way they played the final 50 minutes today against the best team on paper and in the tournament that's also been playing together for over a month. Had they shown up in the first 10 minutes, who knows what would have happened, but I'm proud that they didn't give up because if you told all of us Russia would score 70 seconds in and we'd have about 1 shot after 10 minutes, you would have for sure said we'd have quit and been blown out. The issue ended up being we flubbed our odd-man breaks, Russia didn't, and we lost the special teams battle.
Some other thoughts:
Forwards
- Eichel was our best forward up front and it wasn't close. He was third in points on the team, but he also played hard, physical hockey at both ends of the ice. With any luck, including the half dozen plus posts he hit, he'd be near the top of the scoring leaders.
- Kane was good not great but he led the team in scoring and generated a lot. He wasn't as good as last year but he played well enough for us to get a better result. I wish our other superstars that aren't here cared as much as him.
- DeBrincat was much better than he was last tournament. Elite goal scorer and battles hard.
- Kreider and Larkin weren't even close to their level last tournament, which was tough to overcome as other guys didn't step up. Larkin seemed to be finding his stride a bit and then got injured. He was a tough player to lose against Russia.
- Gaudreau was a major disappointment again. He should thrive in this type of environment but it just hasn't gone that way.
- Keller was similarly disappointing as his skill set is tailor made for the big ice but he's been in a slump all year so it wasn't surprising.
- JVR's point totals are generous given how he played. He's not a good fit for the big ice at this level.
- Hughes was obviously up or down. You saw spurts of his skill and intelligence and spurts of his physical immaturity. Blashill didn't do him any favors or set him up for success but the tournament was good for his development.
- Guys like Vatrano and White had their moments. Some games where they were among our better players and other games you barely noticed them.
- Glendening, Ryan, and Kunin all played their roles as you'd expect. They weren't overplayed and they're not the reason this team failed.
- Suter and Hanifin were our most consistent defensemen, although none of our guys on the backend are walking away unscathed in the bad play territory.
- Werenski was fine but not the difference maker he probably would have been had he shown up earlier and found his legs and timing with some warmup games. His tournament timeline is still crazy.
- Skjei's play was all over the place. He was downright awful at some points and other times he looked good. He played his best game against Russia.
- Martinez was dreadful. He just couldn't play the right side and struggled all tournament.
- Hughes was similar to Skjei, inconsistent, but his downs weren't nearly as bad. He's young and still basically a college player, so he did fine.
- Fox and Wolanin barely played.
- Schneider was average-to-good. He's not the reason we're going home early but goaltending wasn't a strength either. Much like the team, he was uneven. He'd have stretches in games where he couldn't control a rebound or track the puck, and then he'd have stretches where he'd look Schneider of a couple years ago. He was almost good for at least 1 soft goal a game, which didn't help.
- Demko was fine. Good against France, so-so against Great Britain. I would have liked to see him get more time.
- Coaches were a disappointment. From the odd line combinations, indecipherable system, and flat start almost every game, they didn't seem to be prepared or have their team prepared. Even worse, the only time I saw any urgency out of them was against Russia (and how much of that was driven by the injuries and not their preferences?) and it shouldn't take until game 8 to appreciate the importance of every game. We should see a different head coach next year.
- On Drury, it's tough. He certainly deserves credit for getting some big names to show up but he never filled the glaring holes we were all worried about. Yes, players declined, but it's his job to get them here. You can't build a team with essentially zero RHD, as Fox didn't even play when it mattered. That's unacceptable and was our biggest downfall. If the Rangers aren't in the playoffs next year, I'd be fine with him taking the reins again though. As a former player with a lot of history with USAH and this tournament, he's got credibility that will help when trying to get players in the fold that the average old NHL GM doesn't and I think he's smart enough to learn from his mistakes. I actually wish they'd use more former players that are in front office roles in some capacity (i.e. Modano, Leetch, etc.) in this tournament to gain more experience but also to be part of the group that's calling up a Seth Jones to say "You're playing, kid. Give a damn."
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SanDogBrewin
Righteous bucks!
JJ gets confused at times and try's to assume what you are thinking. Other than that and talking about Canada on the US roster thread a good poster.
SanDogBrewin
Righteous bucks!
US created so many chances starting in the last half of the 1st period. Really JVR, Johnny G and JVR will be tossing n turning about what could have been.
I mean many NHL points was that missing good looks in the 2nd and 3rd periods ?
Gotta bury chances against a great NHL goalie.
Friar85
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I wouldn't worry too much about next years roster, the tournament is in Switzerland. Guys will be lining up for that one. May be a little tougher the next few years after that.
