WJC: 2019 Team USA Roster Talk

[UNITEDSTATESOFHOCKEY]

It will most likely be the Olympic template unfortunately.

The 1960 throwback ones will likely be the go to's when they can but unfortunately the olympic ones are probably on the agenda to boost sales

 

[truthbluth]

Merry f***ing Christmas kid

 

[NTDP]

The 1960 throwback ones will likely be the go to's when they can but unfortunately the olympic ones are probably on the agenda to boost sales

They're my favorite jersey. Love seeing the NTDP wear it during home games. The other white jersey that we wear in international competition before the Olympics last year looks to much like Slovakia's whites. With the template that it has.

 

[HDogg14]

For anyone following closely, how has Joey Keane looked? I would like to see him as a number 5-6 guy, 6 realistically. Has he impressed enough to secure a spot or is there no real answer until we see them tilt up in exhibition?

 

[sjosty26]

If you guys are looking for more U.S. WJC content, here's a podcast featuring HC Mike Hastings on evaluating players, making cuts and the team identity and style of play.

 

[adsfan]

The Hockey News put them second behind the Canadians and in front of the Russians.

I gave up on The Hockey News when they picked my favorite AHL team to be 30th in the league for 2003-04.

The Milwaukee Admirals won the Calder Cup in 2004. I let my subscription lapse.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Any clarity on the goalie situation?

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Any clarity on the goalie situation?

I think Primeau has the leg up as starter but will be on a short leash.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think Primeau has the leg up as starter but will be on a short leash.

Who is consensus back up? Do they go with Knight or likely Keyser and have Knight there to absorb experience for next year?

 

[M2Beezy]

So is Madden basically a lock ?

 

[William H Bonney]

So is Madden basically a lock ?

No

 

[mphmiles]

Will be interesting to see what the lines look like once Norris and Poehling are re-inserted. Hughes started low on the totem pole, (Makes sense when you have a player that much younger than most of the team- the coaches are always going to make that guy earn it and not hand him anything) but from reports, Wahlstrom-Hughes-Farabee was the team's best line last night and really controlled play. Plus they have a lot of chemistry already built up from playing together last season with the U18's. I hope they keep that line together and they get significant ice time.

 

[22Brad Park]

Only USA goals it shows.

 

[Hodgy]

No

Based on the following quote from Hastings yesterday I think he is:

“The kid is a competitor. You like being around guys like that. I think he's going to be an important piece for us."

I can’t imagine he is cut based on that quote.

 

[William H Bonney]

Based on the following quote from Hastings yesterday I think he is:

“The kid is a competitor. You like being around guys like that. I think he's going to be an important piece for us."

I can’t imagine he is cut based on that quote.

There's a difference between being a lock and being a strong candidate for the team. Madden is the latter and most folks (including me) expect him to make it, but that doesn't make him a lock.

You're reading too much into Hastings' last sentence. A player can be an important piece even if they don't make the final team. And I'm sure it sounds more like a declarative statement than he intended it to be. Here's Hastings before the camp started:

"[Madden] has earned his way to get a chance to compete for this team. He is a competitor, utility, he can play the middle or play on the wall.”

Similar quote, similar vague verbiage. A week before camp even started. Hastings hadn't even been around Madden as camp hadn't started and Madden wasn't at the World Junior Summer Showcase. It's blasé coach speak, not definitive roster statements.

 

[William H Bonney]

Any clarity on the goalie situation?

It's hard to say as we didn't see the game against Russia, but it sounds like Primeau was sharper than Knight in that one. When you have 3 guys all capable of being the #1, but only a short camp and two exhibitions to prove it, you need to shine in your very limited opportunities in order to grab the reins. With that, I imagine the first exhibition is good for Primeau and not so good for Knight. As there's only 1 exhibition game left, I'd look to how the coaches approach the goalie decisions for that game as a sign. I'd expect Keyser to get at least half the game. If Keyser gets the whole game, that bodes well for him, assuming he plays well. If Keyser splits the game with one of Primeau/Knight, that bodes well for that goalie, assuming they play well. My guess is Keyser and Primeau are dressed in the exhibition against the Czechs.

I don't think we'll have anything definitive all tournament though unless the guy that gets the first shot doesn't falter.

Will be interesting to see what the lines look like once Norris and Poehling are re-inserted. Hughes started low on the totem pole, (Makes sense when you have a player that much younger than most of the team- the coaches are always going to make that guy earn it and not hand him anything) but from reports, Wahlstrom-Hughes-Farabee was the team's best line last night and really controlled play. Plus they have a lot of chemistry already built up from playing together last season with the U18's. I hope they keep that line together and they get significant ice time.

What makes you think Hughes started "low on the totem pole?"

 

[SML2]

Merry ****ing Christmas kid

Flip side of it is if you're not going to make the team, you at least get to go home and don't miss Christmas for nothing.

 

[Hodgy]

There's a difference between being a lock and being a strong candidate for the team. Madden is the latter and most folks (including me) expect him to make it, but that doesn't make him a lock.

You're reading too much into Hastings' last sentence. A player can be an important piece even if they don't make the final team. And I'm sure it sounds more like a declarative statement than he intended it to be. Here's Hastings before the camp started:

"[Madden] has earned his way to get a chance to compete for this team. He is a competitor, utility, he can play the middle or play on the wall.”

Similar quote, similar vague verbiage. A week before camp even started. Hastings hadn't even been around Madden as camp hadn't started and Madden wasn't at the World Junior Summer Showcase. It's blasé coach speak, not definitive roster statements.

I don’t agree with your interpretation. It is possible that he misspoke, but stating that “I think he is going to be an important piece for us” strongly implies he has made the team. In the quote you provided, he was clearly speaking about Madden as a player and his chance to make the team. The later quote I posted is far more definitive. Again, he may have misspoke, but to cut a player that you think is going to be an important piece would be ridiculous and hard to imagine.

 

[William H Bonney]

I don’t agree with your interpretation. It is possible that he misspoke, but stating that “I think he is going to be an important piece for us” strongly implies he has made the team. In the quote you provided, he was clearly speaking about Madden as a player and his chance to make the team. The later quote I posted is far more definitive. Again, he may have misspoke, but to cut a player that you think is going to be an important piece would be ridiculous and hard to imagine.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. But according to your interpretation, if Madden was not a lock right before camp started (my quote) and has now made the team (your quote) during camp, it's a bit disingenuous to call the player that just made the team a "lock." Once the coaches choose the roster calling the chosen players locks is disingenuous to the contextual meaning. In my opinion, a lock is someone that was making the team regardless of what happened in camp and had their spot locked up before camp started. Quinn Hughes was a lock, Tyler Madden was/is competing for a spot. There's a difference.

 

[boredmale]

Only USA goals it shows.

Even worse what's with that music. lol

 

[Hodgy]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. But according to your interpretation, if Madden was not a lock right before camp started (my quote) and has now made the team (your quote) during camp, it's a bit disingenuous to call the player that just made the team a "lock." Once the coaches choose the roster calling the chosen players locks is disingenuous to the contextual meaning. In my opinion, a lock is someone that was making the team regardless of what happened in camp and had their spot locked up before camp started. Quinn Hughes was a lock, Tyler Madden was/is competing for a spot. There's a difference.

Why is it disingenuous? A player comes into camp who the coach, presumably, hasn't seen a whole lot of. The coach then watches the player for a week or so and changes his opinion of that player. Seems to make sense, and in this context, it is pretty easy to see how a coach could go from being uncertain as to whether a player will make the team to being sure that the player will make the team but uncertain as to that player's role.

The original question was the following: "So is Madden basically a lock ?" The tense is present, not past. So your explanation as to your answer is incorrect, and, ironically, perhaps even disingenuous, since you are effectively trying to rephrase the question in the past tense. It really doesn't matter whether Madden was a lock coming into camp, since that wasn't the question you answered.

 

[QJL]

Looks like Quinn Hughes is the captain.

Miller not dressing is a surprise.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

any streams?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

any streams?

Nope. Canadian games are the only pre-tournament games with any live coverage.

 

[William H Bonney]

If Wahlstrom's confidence was waning this year given his start at Boston College, it's great for him and Team USA that he's lighting up the scoresheet in these exhibitions.