GDT: 2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC 5:00 PDT/8:00 EST NBSCN

[Greg02]

That... seems like something that could have been raised earlier?

In fairness, Edmonton has never really came across as a "together" organization.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I think Buchnevich and maybe Kreider might increase their trade value during the season. I didn't really want to trade Buchnevich yet anyway. Kreider too. Just get rid of Shattenkirk.

 

[Edge]

That... seems like something that could have been raised earlier?

It was. That’s why the ball was in the Oilers court for so long.

I suspect the cap delay and lower number did nothing to help.

 

[wolfgaze]

My only disagreement, Trouba can not become a UFA without playing another 40 game days on a NHL roster. And if the team who hold his rights takes him to arbitration or he takes them, he would not have the option of not signing a contract, arbitration would award him one should he not extend prior to the hearing's decision.

Sorry I should have been more specific on that part... When I said there's no guarantee that he re-signs at all, I mean to imply beyond this upcoming season... That there's no guarantee he signs a long term contract with NYR.... He can sign a 1 year RFA deal and then wait until next summer and sign anywhere he wants... And that is/was a risk for any team trying to trade for him - since the Jets would not allow negoations with his agent....

Thanks for your post....

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

At one point it was Buch and Pool Party for Buch and Names.

The Pool Party and Names part seemed to have been dropped at some point to streamline things. But they couldn’t nail it down.

you mean 8th overall+Poolparty for Buchnevich+Namestnikov?

 

[Black Aces]

If only the NHL cap was as flexible as the NFL

The cap has ruined blockbuster trades

If only there was a cap :-/

 

[Leetch3]

seriously though how does pierre have a job? guy is such a clown. every time he speaks its unreal

 

[Black Aces]

seriously though how does pierre have a job? guy is such a clown. every time he speaks its unreal

He was really bad tonight. And his bias is worse every time I listen to him. He tries arguing Hughes is as ready as Kakko to contribute right now. He is always praising Lou Lams. Loves everything Pittsburgh.

 

[Barnaby]

Someone is going to get a steal in Kaliyev.

I’m not sure I’d touch that guy until maybe late in the 2nd or 3rd with some of the quality names still out there.

He just feels like Kirill Kabanov to me. Everyone was so sure the Isles got a steal and the dude never played in an NHL game.

 

[Barnaby]

He was really bad tonight. And his bias is worse every time I listen to him. He tries arguing Hughes is as ready as Kakko to contribute right now. He is always praising Lou Lams. Loves everything Pittsburgh.

The highlight was “Cam York even reminds me of Brian Leetch with the way he puts on his skates.”

WTF does that mean?

 

[wolfgaze]

“I’m sure we’ll deal with that in the coming days, or around the draft,” Trouba said. “Everything is definitely on the table. I could see myself being in New York for a long time.”

You're embarrassing yourself.

I already read that quote when it was posted on the board the other day - you haven't told me anything new and no, I'm not embarrassed...

How does that vague quote prove anything? Everything is on the table? Wouldn't 'everything' also include testing free agency 1 year from now and maximizing his earning potential? He can see himself in NY for a long time? At what cost to the Rangers payroll and salary cap? Do you think he could see himself in NY for a long time if the Rangers informed him they won't offer him a penny over $8mil per season?

You don't seem to care about any of the actual details and complexities of the circumstances... Just the surface level feel-good stuff huh? "We got Trouba for a Hayes rental!"...

 

[Edge]

If only there was a cap :-/

In fairness, the Oilers absolutely love Broberg apparently and he was a guy they targeted a way out.

So getting them to pass was going to take a good offer. I think we gave them that.

As I’ve said before, if the Rangers do nothing today, it won’t be for lack of trying.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Ducks had a nice first round

Tracey is a stud

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Pierre the database of all player origins confuses Finland with Sweden

 

[Black Aces]

In fairness, the Oilers absolutely love Broberg apparently and he was a guy they targeted a way out.

So getting them to pass was going to take a good offer. I think we gave them that.

As I’ve said before, if the Rangers do nothing today, it won’t be for lack of trying.

On to Lafreniere, Byfield, Lundell

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Wow 8th overall is good value for Buchnevich. But if we trade him who would have played RW?

 

[Edge]

Wow 8th overall is good value for Buchnevich. But if we trade him who would have played RW?

Think the Rangers felt good with the risk knowing they’d have Kakko and company.

 

[Off Sides]

Sorry I should have been more specific on that part... When I said there's no guarantee that he re-signs at all, I mean to imply beyond this upcoming season... That there's no guarantee he signs a long term contract with NYR.... He can sign a 1 year RFA deal and then wait until next summer and sign anywhere he wants... And that is/was a risk for any team trying to trade for him - since the Jets would not allow negoations with his agent....

Thanks for your post....

Correct

I believe his options should either he or the Rangers elect arbitration, which one party most likely will should an extension not be signed prior are,

A one year term through arbitration or being signed to that before the award, his last RFA year

A longer term deal, two or more years which would include at least one UFA year beyond his last RFA year

To not report post arbitration, which does not get him any closer to UFA status

For the Ranger to walk away should he elect arbitration; he can not walk away regardless if he or the Rangers elect



That is not to say it will come to that, I believe more likely than not, he will be extended to a longer term deal should the Rangers be his preferred destination on that extension.

What that extension entails and if it fits who Trouba is, or will become I think remains to be the bigger deciding factor of whether the trade was good or not.

Until that is determined, as well as what the #20 pick could have been, plus Pionk, I find the notion that the Rangers won or under-payed in trade to be dubious, and quite honesty the bravado attached to that notion would make me unconformable should I be one of those who is pushing it

 

[Greg02]

Pierre the database of all player origins confuses Finland with Sweden

It's understandable, what with them both being Scandinavian countries.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Think the Rangers felt good with the risk knowing they’d have Kakko and company.

this is our current RW depth + Kakko

RW
S	Pavel Buchnevich (RW/LW)	1995	18/19	$925,000	3	179	43	58	101	46	-7
S	Jesper Fast (RW)	1991	19/20	$1,850,000	7	353	43	75	118	96	-4
S	Vinni Lettieri (C/RW)	1995	18/19	$925,000	2	46	2	6	8	14	-19
S	Ville Meskanen (RW)	1995	19/20	$925,000	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
S	Ty Ronning (RW)	1997	20/21	$750,833	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
S	Vitali Kravtsov (RW)	1999	21/22	$925,000	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
S	Jake Elmer (RW)	1998	21/22	$809,166	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
U	Lauri Pajuniemi (RW)	1999		-	-	-	-	-	-	-
U	Riley Hughes (RW)	2000		-	-	-	-	-	-	-
U	Nicklas Jensen (RW/LW)	1993		1	7	0	0	0	0	-2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

so if Buch is top , Kakko 2nd, Kravtsov 3rd, Fast 4th we are ok, but take out Buchnevich and it looks like a bad situation where some top rookies could get basically thrown to the wolves. Unless they were planning to sign some UFA.

 

[Edge]

this is our current RW depth + Kakko

RW
S	Pavel Buchnevich (RW/LW)	1995	18/19	$925,000	3	179	43	58	101	46	-7
S	Jesper Fast (RW)	1991	19/20	$1,850,000	7	353	43	75	118	96	-4
S	Vinni Lettieri (C/RW)	1995	18/19	$925,000	2	46	2	6	8	14	-19
S	Ville Meskanen (RW)	1995	19/20	$925,000	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
S	Ty Ronning (RW)	1997	20/21	$750,833	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
S	Vitali Kravtsov (RW)	1999	21/22	$925,000	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
S	Jake Elmer (RW)	1998	21/22	$809,166	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
U	Lauri Pajuniemi (RW)	1999		-	-	-	-	-	-	-
U	Riley Hughes (RW)	2000		-	-	-	-	-	-	-
U	Nicklas Jensen (RW/LW)	1993		1	7	0	0	0	0	-2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

so if Buch is top , Kakko 2nd, Kravtsov 3rd, Fast 4th we are ok, but take out Buchnevich and it looks like a bad situation where some top rookies could get basically thrown to the wolves. Unless they were planning to sign some UFA.

I think they felt reasonably comfortable going forward with that and getting the guy they wanted at center.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’d love to know Gorton’s off the record thoughts

I’d be fuming if I were him

I coulda walked out tonight with Kakko, Zegras, and Puljujarvi

And didn’t because the league couldn’t figure out what it wants the cap to be

 

[Maximus]

My response to the trade (in the trade thread) was that I'm reserving judgement until I see what happens with any extension... If they don't get him re-signed before UFA, I don't like the trade... If they sign him to an extension, but it cost us $9 mil per season, I don't like the trade...



No the 'net loss' for acquiring Trouba was the 1st rounder plus Pionk...

These are separate transactions....

If we don't trade for Trouba then we count that first rounder as a valuable asset, right?

That we traded Kevin Hayes, who was an asset to teams leading up to the trade deadline, for that 1st rounder does not negate the value of that assset (the pick) when later included in a trade...

The trade was NOT Hayes & Pionk for Trouba Lemiuex... Yet that's what fans want to claim because they think it makes us look better...

Dude you can take the contrarian point of view as that is your prerogative but if you took 1000 of the most knowledgeable fans/media/experts you can come up with, I'd be willing to wager a large chunk of my mortgage that 980 of the 1000 would think Gorton took Chevy to the woodshed no matter how you slice and dice it.

I'll go one step further, in a two night span after the Trouba trade went down, on one of those nights I went to all of our division rivals boards except for the Canes as I didn't have time for them the night I did this and went to all of their "out of town" threads they have which is kind of like ours is in here and I read all of the posts and these are obviously NOT biased Ranger fans and to a man, if I read 400 or so posts, I maybe saw 5-10 of them that thought the Rangers got the worst end of the deal.

Matter of fact most of these posters were pissed the f*** off that the Rangers got such a steal even if Trouba didn't sign an extention with us seeing they surmised as any savvy person would know that at the trade deadline, Gorton can likely recoup the lost first rounder and likely more from a team that thought Trouba was the missing piece for their playoff run.

On the other night, I went to teams around the league that I respect their knowledge of hockey due to their passion and savvyness of their fanbases..we are talking the Habs, Leafs,Bruins, Black Hawks, Flames, Canucks and of course the Jets seeing I wanted to see their thoughts of the Trouba deal. Once again these are peeps other than the Jet fans obviously who have no skin in the game.

And once again it was overwhelmingly in favor of the Rangers side of the deal as most comments were that Gorton "raped" was used a few times , "heisted", "robbed" Chevy in this deal.

So once again you can think what you want but when you have thousands of peeps who are looking at the same exact deal as you are and you are in the .0001% who thinks the Rangers didn't get the better end of the deal whether or not he signs here or not(he likely will and it likely will be in the 8-8.5 for 7 range IMO), you are likely going to end up being not just wrong but very wrong in your assessment.

If you don't end up being very wrong and I personally think you are with regards to your assessment to the Trouba deal, than I'd like you to be the next GM of the Rangers seeing you know more and can foresee the future better than 99.9% of the rest of us.....lol

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

seriously though how does pierre have a job? guy is such a clown. every time he speaks its unreal

The fact that he called Kakko a Swede and then implied that there would be instant chemistry with Mika because they're both Swedish was laughable.

The guy was one of the top 2 prospects all year, it's one thing to be less knowledgeable about later draft guys but one of the top 2 guys? Let alone getting the nationality wrong, the easiest thing of all of these guys and Kakko especially bc he starred winning gold for Finland in the WJC and WC. Literally couldn't have been more obvious the guy is like captain Finland and dumbass Pierre calls him Swedish. Like wtf.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

too bad Pulju is a RW, if he was a Center or LW it would make sense to trade for him.

Wouldn't mind Girgensons + 4th for Vesey of course it is possible Vesey raises his value by having a great start to the season.