Pre-Game Talk: 2019 NHL Draft, Pt. V: Got your ticket? (Mod note in pinned post)

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4Twenty

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I don’t think he’s being underrated in general. Given the profile of players in our area, he’s a notch below primarily because it’s unclear if he will develop an offensive game or continue to project as a primarily defensive player who is slightly undersized. He’s a probable NHLer but the ultimate upside isn’t as high IMO as the other players in this part of the draft. Seider, on the hand, provides all that Soderstrom does but with the physical package to be more effective playing it.
He's not really primarily a defensive player though. Against his peers he's a do it all PP/PK dman who produces a lot. As a simple comparison, Erik Karlsson produced 10pts in the SHL in his draft + 1, Soderstrom just put up 7 in his draft year.

I think you're getting much more offensive creativity with Soderstrom over Seider.

I want a forward at 10th regardless.
 

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He's not really primarily a defensive player though. Against his peers he's a do it all PP/PK dman who produces a lot. As a simple comparison, Erik Karlsson produced 10pts in the SHL in his draft + 1, Soderstrom just put up 7 in his draft year.

I think you're getting much more offensive creativity with Soderstrom over Seider.

I want a forward at 10th regardless.

Maybe, it’s hard to tell how much of it is playing up a level vs his true playing style. His Superelit numbers are obviously better but still nothing too crazy. I didn’t catch his U18 games before his injury, did he display a different game there? I’m not against drafting him if there is a potential offensive side to his game, but most of the reports on him say that isn’t how he chooses to play the game, which leaves me wary.
 

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IF Tryamkin comes back, I think our need will be top 6 wingers. I want to draft a forward. Lots of decent players available. A decent one should fall to us ....

You shouldn't be drafting by need in the 1st rd. Go with the best player left on the pre determined list.

Also, we need to cool the jets on Tryamkin. He's not going to come in a be a game changer on the blueline. He's likely a solid 3rd pair dman, and I think you could argue that one of Sautner, Brisebois, or Teves could turn into that as well.
 
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You shouldn't be drafting by need in the 1st rd. Go with the best player left on the pre determined list.

Also, we need to cool the jets on Tryamkin. He's not going to come in a be a game changer on the blueline. He's likely a solid 3rd pair dman, and I think you could argue that one of Sautner, Brisebois, or Teves could turn into that as well.
Tryamkin is the most overhyped player in our system since Jensen. If there was any value I’d be flipping his rights for a mid round pick now
 

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i think between Krebs Newhook Caufield and Broberg i would easily take Broberg. Can anyone come up with a comparable that has busted in the last 20yrs. Craig Button compares him to Hampus Lindholm with slightly better wheels and offensive upside. Thats a pretty big piece on our blueline if so and it gives us some nice options if Juolevi pans out as a top4 defenseman.

If these guys are gone- Hughes Kakko Byram Dach Turcotte Zegras Boldy Podkolzin Cozens thats the route i would go

1-Broberg
2-Teply
3-Lundmark
4-Slepets
5-Bergeron/Newkirk
6-Miner
 

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Absolutely refuse to believe Buffalo would take Caufield over Boldy or Cozens. Refuse.

The Oilers and Broberg thing seems to have some legs, though.
 

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i think between Krebs Newhook Caufield and Broberg i would easily take Broberg. Can anyone come up with a comparable that has busted in the last 20yrs. Craig Button compares him to Hampus Lindholm with slightly better wheels and offensive upside. Thats a pretty big piece on our blueline if so and it gives us some nice options if Juolevi pans out as a top4 defenseman.

If these guys are gone- Hughes Kakko Byram Dach Turcotte Zegras Boldy Podkolzin Cozens thats the route i would go

1-Broberg
2-Teply
3-Lundmark
4-Slepets
5-Bergeron/Newkirk
6-Miner


Craig Button is a funny one because some of his player insights are spot on (Boeser at 9, Virtanen in the 2nd) but his player comps are sometimes stunningly bad. Broberg plays *nothing* like Lindholm and -assuming he makes the NHL someday - never will.

A toned-down (physically) Ed Jovanovski is a much more accurate projection of Broberg’s tools and game IMO, though I don’t think Broberg has Jovo’s offensive instincts or hands yet.
 

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Crazy how Cozens is being left as the odd man out in a lot of the top 6-7 conversation (a lot of hype around Caufield and Broberg being taken early driving it) from different beat writers for different teams. He could slip to 8 or 9
 

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Crazy how Cozens is being left as the odd man out in a lot of the top 6-7 conversation (a lot of hype around Caufield and Broberg being taken early driving it) from different beat writers for different teams. He could slip to 8 or 9


To me, I think he and Broberg are the two most overrated prospects this year. I think Cozens will be a good NHLer, but I don't see the ultimate upside I would want. I don't see Broberg really being able to translate to the NHL with his lack of hockey IQ. I would want him to put up better numbers at this point too. I think he is really getting by on tools size and a good tournament.

Just my thoughts though, and I am not as good as a few guys are at projecting so.
 

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To me, I think he and Broberg are the two most overrated prospects this year. I think Cozens will be a good NHLer, but I don't see the ultimate upside I would want. I don't see Broberg really being able to translate to the NHL with his lack of hockey IQ. I would want him to put up better numbers at this point too. I think he is really getting by on tools size and a good tournament.

Just my thoughts though, and I am not as good as a few guys are at projecting so.
Cozens kind of reminds me of a young Trevor Linden.
Todays game is more predicated around speed and skill which makes some of the more dynamically gifted offensive players more attractive.

I agree i think he will be solid but his upside might not be what a top10 pick would hopefully net you. Would be really solid at 10 for us though
 

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Cozens kind of reminds me of a young Trevor Linden.
Todays game is more predicated around speed and skill which makes some of the more dynamically gifted offensive players more attractive.

I agree i think he will be solid but his upside might not be what a top10 pick would hopefully net you. Would be really solid at 10 for us though

Agree on Cozens. Likely won’t end up being the *best* player out of the 10-14 group but hard to see him not being at least a better Virtanen (more consistent effort, in the 20-25 goal range most years) The Linden comp feels pretty good actually, as does a bit of Rick Nash (minus the elite hands). Also has the added bonus of being a guy who is pretty close to the NHL, just needs a season to fill out a lanky frame a bit but should be able to play by 2020-21 I’d think.
 
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I haven't studied the draft nearly as closely as the previous two drafts, but based on some of the reports and clips I've seen, I like the following players:

Viktor Soderstrom
Matthew Boldy
Moritz Seider

The top 10 looks pretty strong this year and I'd be fairly happy with any of the usual suspects, but I think I'd be most happiest with any of the above 3.

Soderstrom's shot looks like it needs some work, but other than that, I don't really see any weaknesses. Very solid two way game that defends well, skates well, and passes well, and is apparently, competitive as hell. I think his game would mesh well with Hughes' or Juolevi's.

Viktor Soderstrom or Matthew Boldy = my final answer!!!

(if the Canucks trade down, then I'd go with Seider).
 

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I do not see the hype on Podkolzin at all. Tried to watch some games instead of just highlight reels but meh all around.
 

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I'm not saying Podkolzin is like a "carbon copy" of Virtanen, they have a lot of different elements to them, obviously. But like Virtanen, he's got quite a bit of "straight line player" and "tunnel vision" to his game. A lot of the same sort of, "drive down the wing and take a shot or loop around" north-south, and skating himself out of opportunities. He is better than Virtanen along the wall and on the cycle. But i think there's still room to question how well he really sees the ice consistently.



Though you're probably right, in that a lot of people are just writing him off on box score scouting. That's pretty typical.



Yeah. Virtanen was always a swing for upside type pick. I think a lot of people got crossed up on the idea that as a toolsy guy, he had a seemingly higher "floor" as a 4th line crash and bang grinder at worst. But you don't pick in the Top-10 for "floor". He was the guy, because he had big upside as a freakish fast, physical goal-scorer. Hasn't really materialized, but that was obviously the "boom" scenario.

It's where the Russian factor carries some more risk with Podkolzin i think. If he's going to take time to really find a scoring touch at the NHL level when his tools no longer set him apart so much, and doesn't get the icetime and paydays, that's where guys like that seem to find their way back home. Like Nichushkin for example. Who also, unlike Virtanen...doesn't necessarily have the physical energy player game to plug right into that sort of role if it doesn't work out as a scorer either.
I am getting repetitive, but I think Petey could bring out the best in Virtanen while not hurting Petey's game. Petey has got enough brains for the two of them. Petey could make us of his speed and ability to drive to the net. If nothing else, get him some visibility and stats as trade bait
 
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Cozens kind of reminds me of a young Trevor Linden.
Todays game is more predicated around speed and skill which makes some of the more dynamically gifted offensive players more attractive.

I agree i think he will be solid but his upside might not be what a top10 pick would hopefully net you. Would be really solid at 10 for us though
Wow. Now that you write that, Linden is a helluva Cozens comp.

Linden was always better on the wing too.

Nice comparison.
 
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