Pre-Game Talk: 2019 NHL Draft, Pt. V: Got your ticket? (Mod note in pinned post)

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Assuming these players were all available (they obviously won't be), my preference would be:

#1 Zegras - Probably the worst fit stylistically (elite playmaker rather than goal scorer) but feels the like most elite skillset of anyone outside of the top 2. Combines projectable size (6'1), skating (strong edgework, balance, creativity), hands, and vision better than just about anyone we can expect to see at 10. The potential puck wizardry between Zegras and Pettersson on the same line or PP is positively droolworthy. Think Marner + Matthews type potential.

#2 Boldy - Probably the best fit stylistically (balance of high end puck skills, size, and goal scoring skills) and a close #2 to Zegras for me. Lack of explosive speed is a slight negative but reports are he's grown from 6' to 6'2 in the past year and that can wreak havoc on anyone's skating mechanics. His overall agility and footwork in small spaces is very good, just doesn't translate into top end speed yet. But everything else is at a very very high level and is a natural LW, which is a perfect positional fit. Boldy - EP - Boeser as a line could be absolutely lethal.

#3 Newhook - I seem to be arguing against him a lot in this thread but overall I really like his combo of elite skating and high end skill, hockey IQ, and work ethic. Anyone who is willing to relocate from the east coast to Ontario to BC to pursue their hockey dream is showing the dedication and character that you want in a high pick.

#4 Krebs - Close to Newhook but his goal skills project quite a bit lower, which drops him down for me. Love everything else about his game, from his speed / feet, to his vision and unselfishness, to his intensity on the ice. Feels like a potential ROR with much better wheels and slightly worse size.

#5 Seider - The only D I'm interested in after Byram. Like his combination of size (6'4), position (RHD), and strengths on the defensive side of the puck. May have latent offensive skills, as he was apparently a dynamic puck rush in German jr but then shot up 3-4 inches and seemingly lost that ability. Combines a great mind for the game, with strong skating, and physical presence. Puck skills will need work but if he can put it all together, he could be a passable 1D partner for Hughes for the next decade.
 
Two questions!

1) Any draft mag recommendations? I've picked up a few different ones over the years, but not sure what to go with.

2) I don't know much about Seider- usually everyone on this board is very against drafting Stay at home defensemen in the 1st round. What makes this guy different? Are people imagining a Hjalmarsson type player here?
 
Two questions!

1) Any draft mag recommendations? I've picked up a few different ones over the years, but not sure what to go with.

2) I don't know much about Seider- usually everyone on this board is very against drafting Stay at home defensemen in the 1st round. What makes this guy different? Are people imagining a Hjalmarsson type player here?


1) HockeyProspect blackbook for me. Unparalleled depth of coverage and quality of write ups and (new) ratings system. Not cheap but makes the THN Draft Preview look amateur.

2) It's a fine line for me. As a rule I don't like strictly defensive players, unless they display a sufficiently high end defensive skill set (size, reach, physicality, skating, IQ, break out passing) that they can project to a top pair D (presumably with a more offensively-inclined partner). Think Tanev at his peak or a guy like Lindholm today. Can't be a total black hole offensively, but doesn't have to project as PP type if he's good at all other areas of the game. Seider looks to have that type of upside and has the added bonus of being a RHD which would allow him to partner with Hughes. I'd probably be lower on Seider if we didn't already have Quinn and would be more inclined to look at guys like Harley and York. A bit more of a need/opportunity pick than pure BPA I suppose, which is why he's not at the top of my list but is a pick I wouldn't hate (unlike picking Soderstrom).
 
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I recall us having opposite preferences in what we prioritize in a player. I shifted from the rounded, versatile player type to focus on skill, whereas you stayed with the former. Am I recalling that wrong?
I feel you switched your focus and maybe i said i don't feel you can just focus on that one aspect, otherwise you become early years pronman who kept Kabanov top 5 when nearly everyone else dropped him multiple rounds or ripped Landeskog into pieces.

Or we were talking about defenders (2018 draft?), where i feel skill is definitely not something you can only consider for that position.
 
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Agreed. The whole DET/ Yzerman speculation about picking Podkolzin because he is Russian is a pretty lazy analysis. I’d be incredibly surprised (and ecstatic) if he goes top 10
I think Detroit would be the only team to take him top 10. Think they would be wise to trade down if they can.

If Dach is on the board at 6, could see the ducks make the move with their 9 pick OA and either their 2nd or the 1st from buffalo.
 
I think Detroit would be the only team to take him top 10. Think they would be wise to trade down if they can.

If Dach is on the board at 6, could see the ducks make the move with their 9 pick OA and either their 2nd or the 1st from buffalo.


I think Podkolzin gets a worse rap on these boards (all HFB, not just here) than amongst the actual scouting community. In general, the scout quotes I've seen for him are more positive and effusive than for guys like Cozens, Caufield, Newhook, and even Dach and Zegras. I think we (fans) underestimate how much teams and scouts still value seemingly old-school terms like "compete" and "battle level", which is exactly what Podkolzin has in spades, along with an above average skill-level, hands, and shot. His janky skating style and tunnel-vision / me-vs-the-world style are concerns but I suspect not seen as deal-breakers to some teams. Once Byram/Turcotte/Dach are off the board, I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the teams in the top 10 (roughly between Detroit and Anaheim) take him. I'd actually be surprised if he is on the board when we pick, though would prefer we pass.
 
2) I don't know much about Seider- usually everyone on this board is very against drafting Stay at home defensemen in the 1st round. What makes this guy different?

Personally, I don't look at him as a stay at home defenseman. I think this a myth cooked up because he didn't put up points after moving to DEL.

Everyone has recognized his defensive ability and so they should....he's a stud.

But if you've been watching him over the years then you'll know that the offense isn't that far behind.

He was snake bit this year.

One of the most important qualities I look for in a draft eligible player is...have they continued improving over the years...Seider has.

He's an excellent prospect and should go somewhere between the 10th and 15 pick.
 
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Somebody help me here....I'm struggling to remember the last time any NHL team with a top-10 pick actually 'traded up' in the draft 'or successfully traded back' in the draft to acquire another pick or prospect. It just never happens.

So why do writers keep churning out this verbal diarrhea, speculating about something that never happens? And why do they quote GM's like Benning who parrot the standard lines..."if it makes sense we'll do it" or the other bromide "we're keeping our options open". Sheesh.
 
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1) HockeyProspect blackbook for me. Unparalleled depth of coverage and quality of write ups and (new) ratings system. Not cheap but makes the THN Draft Preview look amateur.

2) It's a fine line for me. As a rule I don't like strictly defensive players, unless they display a sufficiently high end defensive skill set (size, reach, physicality, skating, IQ, break out passing) that they can project to a top pair D (presumably with a more offensively-inclined partner). Think Tanev at his peak or a guy like Lindholm today. Can't be a total black hole offensively, but doesn't have to project as PP type if he's good at all other areas of the game. Seider looks to have that type of upside and has the added bonus of being a RHD which would allow him to partner with Hughes. I'd probably be lower on Seider if we didn't already have Quinn and would be more inclined to look at guys like Harley and York. A bit more of a need/opportunity pick than pure BPA I suppose, which is why he's not at the top of my list but is a pick I wouldn't hate (unlike picking Soderstrom).

I agree. I think to win the Cup, you need one guy on the backend who can produce offensively. After that, having a guy capable of logging big minutes while offering strong defensive play and can effectively move the up effectively up can be invaluable. Seider doesn't project to be a stud #1 all situations Dman or dynamic offensive Dman, but he's the type who can play in your top 4 for 10+ years. It's why I am still hopeful that Juolevi will turn into a good player for the Canucks in the mould of say a De Haan.
 
Somebody help me here....I'm struggling to remember the last time any NHL team with a top-10 pick actually 'traded up' in the draft 'or successfully traded back' in the draft to acquire another pick or prospect. It just never happens.

So why do writers keep churning out this verbal diarrhea, speculating about something that never happens? And why do they quote GM's like Benning who parrot the standard lines..."if it makes sense we'll do it" or the other bromide "we're keeping our options open". Sheesh.

San Jose in 2007 with the trade up from 13 (from the Toronto trade where this pick went to SJS for Toskala and Bell) to get past Florida and pick Logan Couture at 9th.

Most of the trade backs happen in the mid-to-late 1st and sometimes you'll trade up a couple loose picks and get a Beauvillier, and sometimes you'll trade back from the Parise pick and get M.A Pouliot and J.F Jaques.
 
Somebody help me here....I'm struggling to remember the last time any NHL team with a top-10 pick actually 'traded up' in the draft 'or successfully traded back' in the draft to acquire another pick or prospect. It just never happens.

So why do writers keep churning out this verbal diarrhea, speculating about something that never happens? And why do they quote GM's like Benning who parrot the standard lines..."if it makes sense we'll do it" or the other bromide "we're keeping our options open". Sheesh.
Because Benning has draft picks in play.

Hello!

He's working the phones and initiating.

:badidea:
 
Somebody help me here....I'm struggling to remember the last time any NHL team with a top-10 pick actually 'traded up' in the draft 'or successfully traded back' in the draft to acquire another pick or prospect. It just never happens.

So why do writers keep churning out this verbal diarrhea, speculating about something that never happens? And why do they quote GM's like Benning who parrot the standard lines..."if it makes sense we'll do it" or the other bromide "we're keeping our options open". Sheesh.
It almost never happens. But media needs stories to spin this time of year.

But if Podkolzin, Caufield and Broberg are all picked in the top 9. Zegras, Krebs, Boldy and Newhook are all on the board I could see the logic in moving back 4 spots, still securing one of the 4 forwards and adding extra assets.
 
1st overall? No way unless you want to part with one of our top 4 core players and probably our 1st pick as well.

I suspect we would have to add to Horvat and our 1st to get it done. Boeser and our 1st is probably an overpayment. NO way we trade an Alien or a Hughes to get a Hughes.
 
I suspect we would have to add to Horvat and our 1st to get it done. Boeser and our 1st is probably an overpayment. NO way we trade an Alien or a Hughes to get a Hughes.
Alien definitely not but I bet NJ would ask. Horvat or Boeser with the pick would likely get it done.
 
Is everyone assuming caufield would not be available or are they scared of the risk. I have zegras 4 and caufield 5.

Really like his skill level on ice. And he has an elite trait in his game which sets him apart and thats his release.
 
I want Seider as I see him being a top pairing shutdown RH stud moving forward with offensive ability. Imagine having these as our top 6 in 2 years. Wingers can be found easier stud RHD not so much.

Hughes Seider
Tryamkin Stecher
Juolevi Woo
 
Is everyone assuming caufield would not be available or are they scared of the risk. I have zegras 4 and caufield 5.

Really like his skill level on ice. And he has an elite trait in his game which sets him apart and thats his release.

Not sure if it means much but Button has had Caufield consistently ranked in his top 5 (#4 in his latest ranking)
 
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