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From what I’ve seen, ability to execute (in a variety of ways) at top speed is probably Podkolzin’s best asset, along with strength and compete level, of course.
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I think what they are saying is that because of the KHL having no contract agreement with the NHL, that we couldn't risk "alienating" a top draft choice who has the capacity go back home and play. It would be unwise to make that selection, unless we know for sure he is not a flight risk.
When is last time we drafted a Russian?
I really like him. I think there is a top 5 that has developed with Dach, Cozens, Kakko, Hughes. I just am concerned that we could have a similar issue that’s a Dallas ran into with Nichushkin when he ran back to Russia at the first sign of adversity.
That's what I mean when I said I would need to know his personality and ideas about the future. Podkolzin seems very headstrong to say the least. The Coyotes can't afford to screw this pick up in a major way.
I feel more comfortable about drafting Russians from Russia than from CHL. They get to mature and develop at home in a pro environment against men.
When you draft a Russian out of the CHL it creates a tough situation after the draft. If they don't crack the NHL lineup then it's back to riding busses with teenagers for no money in a foreign country.
When you draft a Russian out of the CHL it creates a tough situation after the draft. If they don't crack the NHL lineup then it's back to riding busses with teenagers for no money in a foreign country.
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Yet, as far as I understand it, "the Russian factor" is exactly that. The fear of spending a high end draft asset on a prospect that you really want but can't have because he's Russian and in Russia. That's the "factor" right? Why be afraid of that? It almost never happens.
Am I confused? What is the Russian factor anymore? Why is it something to be nervous about? Can someone give me examples or some precedent that will help me understand why it's a consideration?
The Nichushkin thing was semi-mutual, IIRC. He was underperfoming and having issues with his coach. Dallas didn't like his trade value and contract negotiations were going to be ugly. I'm hazy on the details, but the team wasn't exactly happy with him before he decided to leave, which was a contributing factor.
Alright. I'll definitely accept Tryamkin. Kuznetsov is for sure another example. What else can we find...
1st and 2nd Round Russians:
1. 2014 - Scherbak(1), Goldobin(1), Barbashev(2), Kamenev(2), Letunov(2)
2. 2013 - (!)Nichushkin(1), Zadorov(1), Zykov(2)
3. 2012 - Yakupov(1), *Grigorenko(1), Vasilevsky(1)
4. 2011 - Namestnikov(1), *Khokhlachev(2), Jaskin(2), Kucherov(2)
5. 2010 - (!)Burmistrov(1), (1)Tarasenko, (!)Kuznetsov(1),
6. 2009 - Kulikov(1), Orlov(1)
7. 2008 - Filatov(1), Voynov(1), Kugryshev(2)
8. 2007 - Cherepanov(RIP), *Bashkirov(2)
* = NHL team did not offer contract
! = Possible "Russian Factor" issue
I'd put Burmistrov in a similar boat as Nichushkin. Mutual unhappiness between player and team.
2008 is interesting. Filatov was a straight bust. Voynov beat up his girlfriend and got kicked out of the country. Kurgyshev ended up in the ECHL and ended up leaving which is fine.
For me, Tryamkin and Kuznetsov are the only examples there that I'd worry about. I don't personally find this to be a particularly big deal. These Russians tend to head home when it starts to become clear they won't be impact NHLers.
Boston Bruins: Remembering Alexander Khokhlachev – KHL Update
“Boston should make a decision with me,” Khokhlachev said. “I’ve waited for my chance already. Two years. I’m just still waiting. We’ll see. They should make a decision. Give me a chance, or I don’t know. We’ll see [what] they’ll do.”
Khokhlachev went as far as to say that he wouldn’t play in the AHL for his entire career. “This is my last year of my contract. I’m 22 already. If they don’t give me the chance to play, why am I here? I will not play in Providence all my life. They told me, ‘Just wait for your chance.’ I’m still waiting for it.” Khokhlachev said.
In Khokhlachev’s defense, the opportunity was never really granted. His minutes were inconsistent at best. When speaking of his games in the 2014-15 season, Khokhlachev expressed as much. “Well, I played two games and the third game I played two minutes. I don’t think that’s really a chance,” Khokhlachev said. “I played fourth-line — it doesn’t matter what line I play — but I don’t know if that’s really a chance if you play two games.”
In the end, Khokhlachev played out his contract and left for the KHL. The Bruins didn’t trade his rights, and though they still hold his rights, the mention of Khokhlachev has died down ever since. So what has Khokhlachev done since joining St. Petersburg SKA?
In short, Khokhlachev hasn’t done much in the KHL.
That's an older article and he's doing well in the KHL now, it seems. That's tough one. He put in three years at the AHL level and was never given/didn't quite earn a real shot in the NHL. It was five years after he was drafted.
I don't interpret the Russian factor as: "If I draft this Russian in the 1st round, and he fails to make the NHL for the next half-decade, he might go back to Russia and I lose him." Is the fear that you might not get a sixth year in N.America after the draft for his last shot of cracking the NHL roster finally? Isn't the KHL threat really very secondary at that point? The larger problem would be that five years had gone by and he still hadn't made the show.
The idea that you draft a kid you want to be on your team, he does really well and you really want him on your team, but because he’s Russian you can’t sign him and he stays in Russia is basically just an urban legend. The guys who stay in Russia seem not to be good enough to make it in the NHL anyway. The guys who go back to Russia are are almost always doing quite poorly in the NHL anyway. There’s no reason at all to be concerned about drafting Russian player.
I think those of you who insist on maintaining this narrative have reached a point where you are going to need to start backing this up with specific examples.
Am I confused? What is the Russian factor anymore? Why is it something to be nervous about? Can someone give me examples or some precedent that will help me understand why it's a consideration?
The Nichushkin thing was semi-mutual, IIRC. He was underperfoming and having issues with his coach. Dallas didn't like his trade value and contract negotiations were going to be ugly. I'm hazy on the details, but the team wasn't exactly happy with him before he decided to leave, which was a contributing factor.
Alright. I'll definitely accept Tryamkin. Kuznetsov is for sure another example. What else can we find...
1st and 2nd Round Russians:
1. 2014 - Scherbak(1), Goldobin(1), Barbashev(2), Kamenev(2), Letunov(2)
2. 2013 - (!)Nichushkin(1), Zadorov(1), Zykov(2)
3. 2012 - Yakupov(1), *Grigorenko(1), Vasilevsky(1)
4. 2011 - Namestnikov(1), *Khokhlachev(2), Jaskin(2), Kucherov(2)
5. 2010 - (!)Burmistrov(1), (1)Tarasenko, (!)Kuznetsov(1),
6. 2009 - Kulikov(1), Orlov(1)
7. 2008 - Filatov(1), Voynov(1), Kugryshev(2)
8. 2007 - Cherepanov(RIP), *Bashkirov(2)
* = NHL team did not offer contract
! = Possible "Russian Factor" issue
I'd put Burmistrov in a similar boat as Nichushkin. Mutual unhappiness between player and team.
2008 is interesting. Filatov was a straight bust. Voynov beat up his girlfriend and got kicked out of the country. Kurgyshev ended up in the ECHL and ended up leaving which is fine.
For me, Tryamkin and Kuznetsov are the only examples there that I'd worry about. I don't personally find this to be a particularly big deal. These Russians tend to head home when it starts to become clear they won't be impact NHLers.
Boston Bruins: Remembering Alexander Khokhlachev – KHL Update
“Boston should make a decision with me,” Khokhlachev said. “I’ve waited for my chance already. Two years. I’m just still waiting. We’ll see. They should make a decision. Give me a chance, or I don’t know. We’ll see [what] they’ll do.”
Khokhlachev went as far as to say that he wouldn’t play in the AHL for his entire career. “This is my last year of my contract. I’m 22 already. If they don’t give me the chance to play, why am I here? I will not play in Providence all my life. They told me, ‘Just wait for your chance.’ I’m still waiting for it.” Khokhlachev said.
In Khokhlachev’s defense, the opportunity was never really granted. His minutes were inconsistent at best. When speaking of his games in the 2014-15 season, Khokhlachev expressed as much. “Well, I played two games and the third game I played two minutes. I don’t think that’s really a chance,” Khokhlachev said. “I played fourth-line — it doesn’t matter what line I play — but I don’t know if that’s really a chance if you play two games.”
In the end, Khokhlachev played out his contract and left for the KHL. The Bruins didn’t trade his rights, and though they still hold his rights, the mention of Khokhlachev has died down ever since. So what has Khokhlachev done since joining St. Petersburg SKA?
In short, Khokhlachev hasn’t done much in the KHL.
That's an older article and he's doing well in the KHL now, it seems. That's tough one. He put in three years at the AHL level and was never given/didn't quite earn a real shot in the NHL. It was five years after he was drafted.
I don't interpret the Russian factor as: "If I draft this Russian in the 1st round, and he fails to make the NHL for the next half-decade, he might go back to Russia and I lose him." Is the fear that you might not get a sixth year in N.America after the draft for his last shot of cracking the NHL roster finally? Isn't the KHL threat really very secondary at that point? The larger problem would be that five years had gone by and he still hadn't made the show.
The idea that you draft a kid you want to be on your team, he does really well and you really want him on your team, but because he’s Russian you can’t sign him and he stays in Russia is basically just an urban legend. The guys who stay in Russia seem not to be good enough to make it in the NHL anyway. The guys who go back to Russia are are almost always doing quite poorly in the NHL anyway. There’s no reason at all to be concerned about drafting Russian player.
I think those of you who insist on maintaining this narrative have reached a point where you are going to need to start backing this up with specific examples.
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Main point is, high-end Russian players that you really want to keep, leave you at a lower rate than college players. For every Nichushkin or Tryamkin or Kuznetsov there’s a Hayes or Butcher or Wheeler.
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Never saw him without his cage until I checked out his KHL profile. He looks like he just strangled a guy to death with piano wire but he’s done it a bunch of times so it’s not a big deal.
I get a little Scottish hooligan vibe. Looks like someone that confronts you if you walk into their pub the wrong way. You dont know why the 18 year old is so scary, but he shattered you mentally from one stare and now you are not getting the late night haggis.
Scottish hooligan or Russian mafia, either way it's the right injection of attitude for the Minnesota Country Club South (aka Arizona Coyotes).
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I've never been a tank-guy, but it does seem like a good year to tank?.
And Colorado has Ottawas pick, there is an additional reason this season. Even if I know the lottery is designed to make it impossible to be sure to draft ahead of that one - the probabilities can be helped. If the team wants to be able to get out of the Central in the first decade after the move...
And Colorado has Ottawas pick, there is an additional reason this season. Even if I know the lottery is designed to make it impossible to be sure to draft ahead of that one - the probabilities can be helped. If the team wants to be able to get out of the Central in the first decade after the move...
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I'm less interested in tanking and more interested in finding out how to get 3 1sts in the top 20 selections. I'd be cool with picks 5, 11 and 18, grab some high end forwards and see if we can't draft a top line.
This franchise feels half folded already. I see why they want the playoffs badly, if nothing else to show there is a pulse here. But the franchise needs real talent even more. We all know this and I love the support the Coyotes get, just wish someone sorted the ownership out so we could have a proper go.
He won't be stripped of the C either. You guys are pointing your finger at the wrong guy.
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