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What good players? This is not a team made up of good players. We need either money or a top pick for those.

OEL is not captain material.

I remember seeing him on the ice for the Swedish national team, with a letter. It's easy to not be happy with the team now, but it must be hard to know what he is and isn't without real knowlegde of what is going on.

Really...
 
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We have pieces alright lol. Ah the never ending Yotes in denial. Chayka loves you guys, job security.
Yes because trading all our players for draft picks is the answer in a league with a cap floor and where you can’t trade for money.

What would you do genius?
 

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I remember seeing him on the ice for the Swedish national team, with a letter. It's easy to not be happy with the team now, but it must be hard to know what he is and isn't without real knowlegde of what is going on.

Really...

I've been a yotes fan since 96...I know whats going on and I know the Coyote way. It never changes, its full of mistakes, and always in denial. I dont have to be in the locker room to see OEL's mannerisms, and his demeanor...he's trying but the guys dont follow him or at least stickup for him in the ice. He gets plowed over they do nothing. Other than Crouse no one really sticks up for each other. Hes not a captain, should have an A instead.
 

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Yes because trading all our players for draft picks is the answer in a league with a cap floor and where you can’t trade for money.

What would you do genius?

Can't do anything until you have a decent owner with money, and get a real hockey guy as GM. 20 something years of BS, and one year of luck. Tired of taking it up the butt and being told all is well. Yotes fans should be angry not accepting of mediocre.

I never said trading all our players so dont put that in my mouth...but what we have isn't good enough for anything other than false hope.
 

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Can't do anything until you have a decent owner with money, and get a real hockey guy as GM. 20 something years of BS, and one year of luck. Tired of taking it up the butt and being told all is well. Yotes fans should be angry not accepting of mediocre.

I never said trading all our players so dont put that in my mouth...but what we have isn't good enough for anything other than false hope.
I’m all for moving the team as well but that talk is insulting as someone who has been a fan of this team since the 80’s.

Barring that I just want to see improvement. I’ve really enjoyed the addition of Schmaltz. I think Grabner was outstanding in his role. I think Chychrun and Galchenyuk are just finding their groove. I think Raanta can be a 1G and I’m pleased with what I’m seeing from a goalie depth chart perspective.
 

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Chychrun
Dvorak
Stepan
Grabner
Raanta

We have pieces.
We’re missing at least one all-star caliber forward who puts up 35+ goals regularly. Really, we need Stepan to be a different player who’s 50% more productive than he is. We need Goligoski to be a different player who’s 50% more effective than he is. We need Raanta to be a 90% healthier than he is. Those three changes make us a bubble team instead of a bottom dweller.
 
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My issue with Chayka is he signed OEL to this huge deal while switching out "core" guys. If he was intent on trading the Domis and the Stromes he should have looked to trade OEL as well. Really change the core/identity of the team.
 

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OEL is a token good player. We are far from being a contender and if when we become one he will be past his best. I don't care who we trade as long as we are taking solid strides towards becoming a contending team. If I were OEL I would not say no to being traded to a real contender. Spending the entire career in a backwater may be nice for the wallet but ultimately must leave something wanting looking back.
 

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We have pieces alright lol. Ah the never ending Yotes in denial. Chayka loves you guys, job security.
He said pieces, not a SC contender. hbk is right,we have pieces and we have to continue the course. I think this team is better than what we have seen so far, but something just seems off. We need talent for sure, and maybe we are lacking the right leadership on and off the ice. Some have said injuries, but besides Raanta, there are no star players on the shelf and a team should be able to cover those loses. I said at the first of the season we have to make the playoffs, or at the very worst be in the hunt until the last two weeks or so, and anything else is a total failure, and I still feel this way.
 
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My issue with Chayka is he signed OEL to this huge deal while switching out "core" guys. If he was intent on trading the Domis and the Stromes he should have looked to trade OEL as well. Really change the core/identity of the team.
OEL is our best player, by a wide margin. He hits, takes hits, plays the PP, covers his partner whomever it is. He does it all. If you think trading OEL should have been traded instead of Domi and Strome, well, I really don't know what to say.
 

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He said pieces, not a SC contender. hbk is right,we have pieces and we have to continue the course. I think this team is better than what we have seen so far, but something just seems off. We need talent for sure, and maybe we are lacking the right leadership on and off the ice. Some have said injuries, but besides Raanta, there are no star players on the shelf and a team should be able to cover those loses. I said at the first of the season we have to make the playoffs, or at the very worst be in the hunt until the last two weeks or so, and anything else is a total failure, and I still feel this way.

They refuse to stay the course. We've been playing waiver fodder over prospects for the last decade. Sure, we haven't drafted well but they haven't even tried to develop most of their picks when we've been dreadful. Instead, they try to win some meaningless games and screw our draft position more and repeat the process all over again the next season. Hockey the hard way.
 

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We’re missing at least one all-star caliber forward who puts up 35+ goals regularly. Really, we need Stepan to be a different player who’s 50% more productive than he is. We need Goligoski to be a different player who’s 50% more effective than he is. We need Raanta to be a 90% healthier than he is. Those three changes make us a bubble team instead of a bottom dweller.
I guess you are describing lack of veteran leadership. Well, we sure saw that last year, and maybe this year as well. Two players that you mentioned are on the downward trend of their careers so they probably won't get better than what we see now.
 

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They refuse to stay the course. We've been playing waiver fodder over prospects for the last decade. Sure, we haven't drafted well but they haven't even tried to develop most of their picks when we've been dreadful. Instead, they try to win some meaningless games and screw our draft position more and repeat the process all over again the next season. Hockey the hard way.
The last couple of years we have not seen the dumpster diving of years past. Players and coaches play the game to win. They care less about the draft and are more worried about their job.
 

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I wonder if this team would be any different if we kept Domi and made him captain like I was hoping. Would his aggressiveness and physical play rubbed off on other guys if he was the team leader? Right now I don't see much to like with this group other than they play fast at times. I certainly like that better than the previous boring, no offensive pressure play but we don't hit, we don't score, we don't have a lot of crisp passing and puck possession and our only identity is fast and soft. We need a star and a lot more talent at center so we don't have to play forwards or bottom line guys up the in the lineup. That's been screwing us for decades. Can we get that guy in this draft?
 
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I wonder if this team would be any different if we kept Domi and made him captain like I was hoping. Would his aggressiveness and physical play rubbed off on other guys if he was the team leader? Right now I don't see much to like with this group other than they play fast at times. I certainly like that better than the previous boring, no offensive pressure play but we don't hit, we don't score, we don't have a lot of crisp passing and puck possession and our only identity is fast and soft. We need a star and a lot more talent at center so we don't have to play forwards or bottom line guys up the in the lineup. That's been screwing us for decades. Can we get that guy in this draft?
Are you pointing or giving the finger to Chayka, RT or both?
 

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He said pieces, not a SC contender. hbk is right,we have pieces and we have to continue the course. I think this team is better than what we have seen so far, but something just seems off. We need talent for sure, and maybe we are lacking the right leadership on and off the ice. Some have said injuries, but besides Raanta, there are no star players on the shelf and a team should be able to cover those loses. I said at the first of the season we have to make the playoffs, or at the very worst be in the hunt until the last two weeks or so, and anything else is a total failure, and I still feel this way.
Part of me thinks the injuries 1RHD/2C/1G, etc are catching up with us. The only way we compete for a playoff spot was if we stayed relatively healthy and Raanta was a top 20 full time goal tender. We don't have the star players or enough depth or money to patch the holes. I also think Tocc isn't getting the most our of his players this year or last year. It doesn't seem like we are seeing anyone have a great year other than Richardson and many players having less than expected years. It seems like last year was the same way. Collectively, individual players are under performing. We are also seeing players leave, like Domi, Strome (so far, and I don't think ti will last), and maybe Martinook perform better elsewhere. Under tip we saw more players have career years in AZ and fail elsewhere, we might be starting to see the opposite now. This leads me to believe coaching could have something to do with under performance.

Our start last year, under performance of many players last year and this year has me questioning the coaching. Chayka is a a young inexperienced GM, he's not smarter than everyone else and won't win every trade, so not sure he is part of the problem or the solution. If we get a new owner, he is likely to change out the coach/GM anyway, until then it is what it is.
 

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OEL is our best player, by a wide margin. He hits, takes hits, plays the PP, covers his partner whomever it is. He does it all. If you think trading OEL should have been traded instead of Domi and Strome, well, I really don't know what to say.
No that is not what I meant. I am just saying that if Chayka is trying to purge the old guard, OEL is the number 1 tie to the past.
 
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Part of me thinks the injuries 1RHD/2C/1G, etc are catching up with us. The only way we compete for a playoff spot was if we stayed relatively healthy and Raanta was a top 20 full time goal tender. We don't have the star players or enough depth or money to patch the holes. I also think Tocc isn't getting the most our of his players this year or last year. It doesn't seem like we are seeing anyone have a great year other than Richardson and many players having less than expected years. It seems like last year was the same way. Collectively, individual players are under performing. We are also seeing players leave, like Domi, Strome (so far, and I don't think ti will last), and maybe Martinook perform better elsewhere. Under tip we saw more players have career years in AZ and fail elsewhere, we might be starting to see the opposite now. This leads me to believe coaching could have something to do with under performance.

Our start last year, under performance of many players last year and this year has me questioning the coaching. Chayka is a a young inexperienced GM, he's not smarter than everyone else and won't win every trade, so not sure he is part of the problem or the solution. If we get a new owner, he is likely to change out the coach/GM anyway, until then it is what it is.


This is one of the main things I'm concerned about with this team. Don't like the idea of starting to trade a bunch of players (at lowered value especially) when it could be the coaching. It's like a bottleneck for the whole team... if you have good players and bad coaching, it can only go so far. As an example... paying for 100 gbps internet and then running it through equipment that only allows for a max of 25... No matter how much you pay for you're not going to get your money's worth.

Nothing in RT's head coaching past or present shows me that he's going to make this team perform to their ability. The results don't lie. As you said... that start last year is a huge red flag to me. That kind of epic scaled failure goes way beyond just the players... it's a total breakdown all the way to the top. Totally unacceptable for a professional franchise and yet another black mark on a franchise that doesn't need any more of them.

I'm not even saying it's not the players, either. But it's really hard to tell because the coaching doesn't seem to be getting the most out of them anyways. The bottleneck is so low that it's harder to diagnose other problems. We will see... also a going point about the ownership issue. IF they are indeed getting that new owner, then it probably lowers the chances RT gets the boot before then.
 
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That's very poor compared to most of the teams in the league.

This was going to be my next response. I would take any roster in the league except maybe the Kings (because of age and speed) over ours. Even Ottawa, at least they have some grit. You guys live in some other fantasy world if you dont think this team needs many upgrades. We have a few guys who could be much better with more talented linemates to play with and goalie situation looks promising but otherwise yikes. Brad Richardson is the star of this team right now is all you need to know.
 

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Keller
Galchenyuk
Schmaltz
Chychrun
Dvorak
Stepan
Grabner
Raanta

We have pieces.
Looking at those pieces:

Keller - ranks 43rd among C's. Compared against RW's he ranks 20th. So an ok 1st liner, good second liner
Galchenyuk - 3rd line/2nd line tweener. Not certain he can be a C.
Schmaltz - not enough data but similar to Keller. So an ok 1st liner, good second liner
Chychrun - A good #3 D
Dvorak - a good #3 C with 2nd C upside
Stepan - 3rd line/2nd line tweener
Grabner - good 3rd liner/great 4th liner
Raanta - top backup in the league. Jury out if he can be a starter.

Adding OEL - a #1 D and Hayton - projected 2nd line C.

I also like Crouse and Fischer but they are 4th liners with 3rd line upside (offense is a huge weakness)

We NEED several high quality pieces. Still need at least 2 top 6 forwards, ideally a first line C, first line LW and a 2nd line RW. Add those and the team has depth. Galchenyuk, Dvorak and Stepan can all play UP a line if/when injuries occur. Really need a better partner for OEL on the RHS.

xx - xx - Keller
Galchenyuk - Schmaltz - xx
Dvorak - Stepan/Hayton - Grabner
Crouse - Richardson - Fischer

OEL - xx
Chychrun - Hjalmarrsson
Goligoski - Lybushkin

Those holes will take years to fill via drafting and developing. Chayka has to look at UFA market and hope to strike some gold.
 
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I’m all for acquiring some first line talent. Who’s available and how are we paying the price to acquire without giving up our first rounder this year and how would we pay their salary going forward?

We are a bottom team relying upon all things to go perfectly just to get a sniff of a playoff spot. This shouldn’t be a surprise. The fact that we’ve been decimated by injuries and not met expectations is hardly surprising. It’s expected.

I’m all for a franchise relocation and an owner willing to spend to the cap. That’s the only path forward for those of us who want more than to just cheer a franchise for the sake of cheering. Most rational people wouldn’t have followed the team down to AZ like I did let alone stick with it for another 20+ years.
 
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