This is why having two seperate owners is a bad idea. Gettleman has to go. We have a 5% chance at Rivera and Beli is not leaving either. Gettleman has too much power still, which is why no one is calling. This blows man...
OT: 2019 Football Thread: Part IV – More like the "Football Thread", amirite?
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Is Gase being kept? I sure hope management is smarter than falling for that charade of a 7-9 record that they got with a bunch of empty wins against bad teams. I don't even like the Jets but what a farce that would be.
Dragao6
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I too am hopefully the oline can be fixed this year but what confidence does he give me? He over shot big time with the current oline with huge contracts we cant get rid of. Once oline is set then yeah we have prob the best running back in the league and am hopeful with more time in the pocket D jones can eventually pick defence apart.
But again hes built this entire oline in his way, wish big $$$ and he failed bigtime.
And by the way Beckham's childish attitude warranted the trade but....what he was saying was 100% correct, should have been in the dressing room. Eli was done along time ago
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KirkAlbuquerque
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the Jets are an absolute disgrace. Maybe the average casual could look at the record and think " wow, 7-9 is a huge improvement! Gase has this team trending up!" But the people in charge, how can they not see that he is a horrible coach, a horrible game manager, and a horrible choice to try and develop their hopeful franchise QB? The Browns dumped Kitchens after one season because it was painfully obvious he's a bad coach. Giants did it with Shurmer. Gregg Williams got saddled with 30 guys on IR and turned a bunch of practice squad players + Jamal into a respectable defense. Gase, an offensive coach, minimized the talents of the players he had and ran a limp-dick offense that Jets fans have become so accustomed to. Yet under Defensive, conservative Bowles our offenses were actually better. I hate this guy and I hate the Johnsons.
Maximus
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Yes he is being kept unfortunatly according to our "Einstein" of an owner Chris Johnson who might actually be more clueless than his brother Woody which is very hard to do.
The 7-9 record has absolutely nothing to do with why Gase is coming back....so no one is being fooled or having the wool pulled over them. He was coming back even if we were 3-13.
A few months ago when most of us here in Jet Nation were wanting Gase's head for his horrible play calling and game mngt we were 1-7, the owner came out and said he's coming back no matter what. It was right about that time that Darnold got going, the schedule eased up and what do ya know, the Jets started to win football games.
Tho if you ask me, what is the most telling thing about the whole season is when with a 0-11 Bengal team staring at you with a chance to go 5-7 with the Dolphins on tap after that at home and you can't even score a TD, that's pretty symbolic of what Gase's career has been all about whether it be in Miami or here.
He's just not a good leader of men. He'd be much better off as an OC. If it was me or Joe Douglas, I'd hand the Jets head coaching gig over to Greg Williams and make Gase the OC and see if that worked. Not sure if anything like that has ever been done but I'd be all for it as I'd bet most of my Jet brothers wouldn't mind Greg Williams be the head coach.
Bottom line, unless the Jets go 3-13 or 4-12 next year, I can see Gase coming back for at least another season after the next one. Don't forget Gase helped bring Douglass in and one would think that even tho he's the GM, Douglass is not going to want to fire the guy who helped him get his gig if he doesn't have too. So I'm afraid that we are going to see Gase here for at least 2 if not 3 more years and maybe more if he can get us into the playoffs let alone win a game if we got there.
Heck Gase might actually become liked if he could get us into the playoffs...wouldn't that be ironic?...lol
JimmyG89
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Gase isn't going anywhere anytime soon. 7 wins is 7 wins. When they were 1-7, you could see it if they had gotten 3-4 wins, but 6-2 in the last 8 will change a lot of minds in the front office if they even thought about moving on, weak schedule or not.
Oddly enough, the miscast OL improved their team stats over the season. They were the worst line in football for a while, ended 26th per football outsiders at pass protection. Now, that still sucks, but when you got from 32 to 26, they had to have some average performances to get them there.
It goes to show you that the starters were extremely terrible that the backups and random pickups did better. Speaks to Maccs pickups. While I still want a whole new line, maybe a few of these guys are salvageable as backups.
OL with the 11th pick and snag one of these WRs that is bound to drop into round 2. This is one of the better drafts for WR in a long time.
Oddly enough, the miscast OL improved their team stats over the season. They were the worst line in football for a while, ended 26th per football outsiders at pass protection. Now, that still sucks, but when you got from 32 to 26, they had to have some average performances to get them there.
It goes to show you that the starters were extremely terrible that the backups and random pickups did better. Speaks to Maccs pickups. While I still want a whole new line, maybe a few of these guys are salvageable as backups.
OL with the 11th pick and snag one of these WRs that is bound to drop into round 2. This is one of the better drafts for WR in a long time.
I remember when the Giants won a couple of games at the end of last year and people were giving Shurmur credit because his team never gave up on him. Then we have an even worse year this year.
17futurecap
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Manish making up a burner to defend Gase at all costs to make Gase look like a psycho is some next level stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised by how little YOU care. No offense but we see every ranger game how little you appreciate one the best G of all time. Again that's not meant as a shot, that's just the literal reason why I'm not shocked at all that multiple super bowls don't buy much cache for you. The Giants are in an unprecedented period of incompetence and dysfunction so I get the frustration.
Still it's funny how even when the Giants join the Jets in the muck, it's still been such a short amount of time and after just three years you've already got what looks like a Qb of the future and a legitimate NFL offense. That's no time at all.
We've had a HINT of a Qb for maybe 3 total seasons in 98, 02 and right now. It's been injuries and bone dry atrociousness ever since.
Sanchez, Smith, Clemens (2nd rounder too), hackenberg. This team invested a LOT in getting a Qb high in the draft. You guys nail Eli and immediately nail Jones. It's unreal.
Even when Favre looked good we all knew he'd be done in a year or two. He didn't make it through a single season.Pennington, even when he finished seasons, had his arm strength chopped down significantly. Anyway I'm just talking into the ether. I just wish I had to suffer through two bad seasons before finding a franchise qb. Instead of wandering the aimless, never ending desert that is the Jets QB draft history. Please pray on Darnold.
Idk about "25-35 are the best years". Give me back 18-22 anyday. Either way I don't see why it matters if the Giants are good during that time period. I know you're saying it matters to you, more power to you. I'm just not getting why anyone would feel that way. Not that I need to, I don't.
If Darnold is actually a legit Qb and if this GM FIXES THIS GODDAMN OLINE then that's 10-12 wins.
Browns, broncos, Chargers, Colts. 4 games against the bills and dolphins. The Pats are finally vulnerable for real (watch them win this super bowl LOL). Seattle is good but not great right now let alone next year. Arizona actually played real tough all year but Fitz might retire and there's a lot that needs to be built on that team. If we get the Rams in December Goff actually sucks ass. He's not that good in general tbh. The Raiders are likely beatable...possibly with a rookie qb
If the GM fails, we get slaughtered by injuries, we fire our DC or Darnold is a bust then we have another miserable 6-10, 8-8 season.
I'm waiting to see Williams gets fired any day now and if he does then I know Douglas is a complete idiot and this team is doomed for another 3 years at least
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I appreciate what Lundqvist did, but he sucks now. And yes I criticized him when he underperformed when he was good. I'm always harder on goalies, just a function of being the last line of defense. If the D f***s up and there's a guy on the breakaway and the breakaway attempt is weak but gets through I will blame the goalie first and foremost because if he made the save the shit defensive play wouldn't have mattered. I don't see how that's even relevant.
I honestly think you're coming from a place of such a place of scarcity that you're not thinking logically. Do you really think I turn on the TV watch the Giants embarrass themselves every week and then light a cigarette thinking about David Tyree? Honestly, that makes no sense. I live in 2019, not 2011 or 2007. Maybe if it happened last year, I could think about how I shouldn't get too upset (like when Eagles fans booed their team at halftime of the first game the season following their SB victory) but that's about it. It's a win-now business. I don't go to many games, but the fans that do don't get a discount for past Super Bowls. I appreciate our wins when I think of the franchise as a whole and can be proud that my franchise has 4 SBs and was once a proud franchise. But week to week it has zero impact, nor should it. I bet you're not sitting there thinking, well we went to 2 AFCCG in 2009 and 2010 and Bills and Browns have been worse, I'm so thankful I'm not them when your team loses to the Dolphins and Bengals.
And it matters to me that these are the best years of my life wasted on a shit team.
You're mixing up what i'm saying. I do not think you should smoke it up bc of what tyree did. I'm saying you haven't seen anything. You're seeing a franchise hit bottom after a period of prolonged success but you've barely paid bottom a visit and you've already got cornerstone, franchise pieces, especially at QB. That's insane. You've gotten their DESPITE having an asshole GM. You're LUCKY. You got to experience multiple championships fairly recently too? You're beyond lucky.
When I have an asshole GM I get hackenberg, Geno and Bryce Petty before giving up a laughable fortune to finally get Darnold who still looks like a question mark. YOU get Jones right away. I'd be pissed about a lot of what's happened but I'd be pretty damn happy with what it's gotten you in just 3 bad seasons.
And again I dont get this "best years" thing at all.
And I actually was really patient from 2010-2013 because I understood that the team needed to have a rebuild period after sustained success from 98-09.
Unfortunately we hired incompetent assholes as I mentioned before
I'm not the biggest Gettleman fan, but he's a good scout and Shurmur knows his QBs. If Jones hits and right now it's still an if it won't be some huge mystery. I'm banking on Jones hitting and Barkley becoming Barry Sanders that can catch, but Jones is still a question mark and arguably RB isn't that important in winning. If Jones becomes a franchise QB then I'll admit to being lucky, but until then, I'm not sure I am.
And I also admit the wheels can still fall off completely and the d could be atrocious for years. I think in 2 years time the giants are going to be playing great football again though
The roster is so rotten to the core in so many places that I worry. But a franchise QB can really hide some deficiencies.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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I’d hire Bieniemy if I’m the Giants with Rivera gone
Reid coaching tree is prolific and he’s been a very positive part or two great Chiefs teams. Being Andy Reid’s OC is like being in a pre coaching internship.
Reid coaching tree is prolific and he’s been a very positive part or two great Chiefs teams. Being Andy Reid’s OC is like being in a pre coaching internship.
1. Mahomes sat his first year for all except 1 game.
2. Nobody has had a Mahomes like year in their first true year playing
3. Only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have had any season better than Mahomes' last season.
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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Comparing your team’s QB to Mahomes will inevitably lead to disappointment
UAGoalieGuy
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You dont need a Mahomes type season to potentially be a franchise QB. That was one of the best individual years for a QB, ever.
UAGoalieGuy
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Giants are casting a wide net. This is the 5th or 6th person Giants have been listed as interested in.
