Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

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RocketKing

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After the top 2 if Byram and Turcott are both gone then we got maybe 3 to pick from. Dach, Pod, Caufeild. I’d guess Dach, they say Pod is dropping and Caufeild might be hard to select with a legit top tier center on the board.

There are others but who knows. i like the way this turns out no matter. We’re going to get a really good player who should be part of the new core for LA.
 

King'sPawn

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This is the overall scenario I think they are planning for:
If Dach and Byram are taking 3rd and 4th overall, then I see the Kings trading down a few picks, and taking Turcotte, Cozens, Boldy, or Krebs.

Looks like there's been some interest towards Kaliyev, so they could move up from the Toronto pick and try to nab him in the teens.
 
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I think it was Pronman who said that Kaliyev is the most polarizing player in the draft. That usually means someone really likes him and reaches to get him. He seems to be going in the 11-14 range in alot of these mocks. Wonder what it would cost the Kings to move up that many spots. It would be appealing to add a C and W in this draft, could be our own Getzlaf/Perry.
 

johnjm22

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I like the write up but no.. the Kings will not be trading back at all. The talent level drops another tier after the 5th pick, so why settle for a lesser prospect just to add a 2nd rounder?
I disagree. I think the prospects ranked 4th-10th are all pretty close. The drop off comes after the 3rd pick.

Tier 1: Hughes, Kakko
Tier 2: Byram (Has separated himself from the pack, but not as highly regarded as Hughes/Kakko)
Teir 3: Podkolzin, Cozens, Turcotte, Boldy, Krebs, Caufield, Dach, Zegras, York, Newhook
 

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A few teams I spoke with believe WHL Vancouver defenceman Bowen Byram and U.S. National Team Development Program centre Alex Turcotte are separating themselves at three and four, although Sam thinks one of Turcotte’s teammates — centre Trevor Zegras — is in that group. Sixth on his list is WHL Lethbridge centre Dylan Cozens.

That brings us to No. 7.

You’ll hear it millions of times between now and June 21. It is the phrase, “The draft really begins at…” This year, that sentence will often end with “…at three, with Chicago.” What the Blackhawks do after Hughes/Kakko affects everyone else. But, there is another variable, and that is who takes Russian winger Vasily Podkolzin.

I’ve seen more of Thanos the past two years than Podkolzin, but certainly know his reputation. He’s a talented, talented player — as skilled as anyone available in June. But he’s locked into an overseas contract for at least another two years, which limits the number of NHL teams willing to consider it at this time.

“If you need help next season or the year after, you can’t take him,” one exec said this week. “But if you can afford to wait…it could be like a delayed powerball victory.”
Back to Podkolzin. New Jersey and the Rangers aren’t going there. The suspicion is the Blackhawks won’t either, since they are determined to regain peak relevance now. The biggest question about Chicago is whether or not they take Byram, since they have selected three defencemen in the first round and another in the second during the past two drafts. (I’d take the best player available and sort it out, but I’m not in charge — luckily for them.)

That brings us to Colorado. The Avalanche are stocked with good, young players. This is a rising team that will get votes as a Stanley Cup contender in 2018-19. It can afford to be patient. Now, some teams are more careful about drafting Russian players with options. Mikhail Grigorenko didn’t work out with the Avalanche, and they have to sort out Nikita Zadorov’s future. There are differing opinions on whether or not Colorado would do it, but there’s no doubt they are in a great position to take the gamble.

At five is Los Angeles, and, like the Blackhawks, are pushing to regain the mystique. It would be a surprise. Then comes Detroit.

No GM is more secure than Steve Yzerman, returning to the scene of his greatest triumphs. Even before his announcement, there was a belief the Red Wings liked Podkolzin’s game. The organization has a great history with Russian players, and Yzerman had success with drafting them in Tampa Bay. They won’t be afraid, if he’s the No. 1 guy on their list.
 

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I disagree. I think the prospects ranked 4th-10th are all pretty close. The drop off comes after the 3rd pick.

Tier 1: Hughes, Kakko
Tier 2: Byram (Has separated himself from the pack, but not as highly regarded as Hughes/Kakko)
Teir 3: Podkolzin, Cozens, Turcotte, Boldy, Krebs, Caufield, Dach, Zegras, York, Newhook

Other than injuries to both... Turcotte and Dach were just as dominant as Byram. He gets the benefit of being the only top 10 worthy defenseman.
I can see Turcotte being a smaller Mike Modano or Jonathan Toews, while Dach has striking similarities to Ryan Getzlaf or Joe Thornton with his passing... Byram while very good he isn’t on the level of defensemen from the last two draft classes... I see all 3 being in that 2nd tier and there’s a drop after that and it isn’t close
 
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I haven't seen tons of prospect videos but what I have seen Turcotte and Byram might just turn out to be the best 2 prospects in this draft down the line.

1) Byram
2) Turcotte
3) Kakko
4) Boldy
5) Hughes
6) Broberg
7) Zegras
8) Podkolzin
9) Cozens
10) Dach
 

johnjm22

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Other than injuries to both... Turcotte and Dach were just as dominant as Byram. He gets the benefit of being the only top 10 worthy defenseman.
I can see Turcotte being a smaller Mike Modano or Jonathan Toews, while Dach has striking similarities to Ryan Getzlaf or Joe Thornton with his passing... Byram while very good he isn’t on the level of defensemen from the last two draft classes... I see all 3 being in that 2nd tier and there’s a drop after that and it isn’t close
I disagree. Byram has separated himself recently. Most of the major prospect rankings that are out are older and don't factor in Byram's recent surge. The latest ISS rankings that just came out do, and they have Bryram and 3, Turcotte at 6, and Dach at 12.

All the major rankings vary a lot between 4th-10th
 
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I disagree. Byram has separated himself recently. Most of the major prospect rankings that are out are older and don't factor in Byram's recent surge. The latest ISS rankings that just came out do, and they have Bryram and 3, Turcotte at 6, and Dach at 12.

All the major rankings vary a lot between 4th-10th


Which to me is a good reason to consider trading down.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but I still maintain that Zegras has the highest bust potential of the expected top 10 picks.

I've thought that for a while. I'm really leery of a lot of players on that team frankly. I think many of them will be middle-6 NHLers but the sheer power of the roster vs. their schedule makes me skeptical of some of their ceilings.
 

AzKing

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Turcotte or Byram are probably the top 2 and then it slides to Dach/Cozens depending on what they want. I don't see them going anywhere else at #5.
 

johnjm22

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I've thought that for a while. I'm really leery of a lot of players on that team frankly. I think many of them will be middle-6 NHLers but the sheer power of the roster vs. their schedule makes me skeptical of some of their ceilings.
I agree completely. But to be fair you could probably say the same about most of the forwards who will be picked in the first round.

I also think alot of the USNTDP guys are on a better development path. I'd rather a prospect go from the USNTDP to the NCAA, than a CHL guy go back to that same league for the 3rd or 4th time.
 
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I agree completely. But to be fair you could probably say the same about most of the forwards who will be picked in the first round.

I also think alot of the USNTDP guys are on a better development path. I'd rather a prospect go from the USNTDP to the NCAA, than a CHL guy go back to that same league for the 3rd or 4th time.


Very true.

Just wish they could find a way to up the rigor of their schedule in terms of competition, especially when this is the strongest all around roster ever.

Then again, these guys all acquitted themselves pretty well in international competition vs. true peers, etc.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but I still maintain that Zegras has the highest bust potential of the expected top 10 picks.

I'll go with Cole Caufield.

His shot is other-world, but IMO if he wasnt surrounded by the greatest draft class in the history of USA hockey his numbers wouldnt be so amazing.

I always shy from players that "need other players" to produce, and if he didnt have Hughes, Zegras, Turcotte, and 1000 other great players feeding him the puck, I dont think his numbers are nearly as gaudy. But his shot. It's admittedly beyond elite.
 

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I'll go with Cole Caufield.

His shot is other-world, but IMO if he wasnt surrounded by the greatest draft class in the history of USA hockey his numbers wouldnt be so amazing.

I always shy from players that "need other players" to produce, and if he didnt have Hughes, Zegras, Turcotte, and 1000 other great players feeding him the puck, I dont think his numbers are nearly as gaudy. But his shot. It's admittedly beyond elite.

That's fair. Caufield definitely has valid questions, as well... what's going to be harder for him is, even when he goes to Wisconsin, he'll have great players feeding him the puck there, too.

Zegras is just extremely high risk with his passing. While he's very talented, I think you can make the same argument of "needing other players" to produce, as Zegras actually needs to have a finisher who will bury his chances.
 

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I'll go with Cole Caufield.

His shot is other-world, but IMO if he wasnt surrounded by the greatest draft class in the history of USA hockey his numbers wouldnt be so amazing.

I always shy from players that "need other players" to produce, and if he didnt have Hughes, Zegras, Turcotte, and 1000 other great players feeding him the puck, I dont think his numbers are nearly as gaudy. But his shot. It's admittedly beyond elite.
I will take an elite shot over almost anything else. Caufield us gonna put up points.
 

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I will take an elite shot over almost anything else. Caufield us gonna put up points.

I tend to agree with that. To be clear, I dont think Caufield WILL bust, but as the question was posed "highest bust potential", he's my choice.

Especially since he's gone from #13 - #17 predicted to something like #4 - #7 predicted. And based on his being the MVP of one tournament, a tournament in which I could have scored at least 3 of the basically empty net goals he got from sick feeds. Of course , that also shows another strength of his, he knows where to be on the ice at all times. But it does bother me that he's so reliant on teammates, this is not a player who creates on his own, and it's odd to see that sort of player going top-10 in any draft.
 
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Caufield needs a legit passing Center to be all that he can be. Do the Kings even have that guy and I am not counting Vilardi at this point?
 

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Got some reliable inside scoop that Kings are targeting Bowen Byram at 5th overall. They’re very happy to have 3 top picks in the first 33. If they get Byram at 5th overall then the next 2 picks are going to be a goal scorer(winger) and pure center .

They believe Chicago and Colorado will pass on Byram and go forward.

I’ve been a member on this board a long time and wouldn’t post something to just post or look cool. This is reliable info and got me even more excited . Before I could ask for more info or try to get things out of them as far as trades and UFAs go they laughed and had to leave .
 
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