Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

[kingsboy11]

Kings pawn mentioned it in the other thread, but I agree with him here. If the kings get Byram I'm almost certain they'll trade up from the 22nd pick to try and get Kaliyev. I don't think we can walk away from the first round without getting an elite forward.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

"we’re told the Kings are high on Saskatoon centre Kirby Dach "

Awesome, so we are landing Panarin. Leave it to Bernstein...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[AzKing]

Kings pawn mentioned it in the other thread, but I agree with him here. If the kings get Byram I'm almost certain they'll trade up from the 22nd pick to try and get Kaliyev. I don't think we can walk away from the first round without getting an elite forward.

Kaliyev is one of those guys who could be frustrating like Kempe and Toffoli. When there are opinions as diverse as:

On the pro-Kaliyev side: "Elite hockey sense, cannon of a shot, decent frame with some room left to fill out, elite goal, point and shot production. Runs a power play as well as anyone in the CHL."

On the anti-Kaliyev side: "Average feet, pace isn’t always good, on-ice compete level, consistency."

He is going to go 10-15. The question is whether he is worth trading away two picks for if you end up with a guy who scores 20 goals and gets about 40 points? He could also be a 40 goal guy who also gets 40 assists. It's boom or bust with him. If I am trading up to #10-#15, I am most likely going with Newhook over Kaliyev if Newhook is there.

 

[amikhail4]

https://thehockeywriters.com/2019-nhl-mock-draft-round-1/

Seven Round Mock Draft - Kings take Byram and Kaliyev in the 1st

 

[Mats26]

Mike Chambers, who covers the Avalanche for the Denver Post, indicates that the Avalanche will be looking to draft a center and may opt with Dylan Cozens at #4, or if Chicago takes him, they'll go with Turcotte.

If Chicago takes Turcotte and the Avalanche select Cozens, then Byram will most likely be a King.

I agree, Byram is more likely to slide than Turcotte.
Avs have 2 first round picks so I think the Avs are also thinking that if they get a high end center at 5, they will have a better shot with their #16 pick to get good D prospect with top 3 potential than a top Center they really need. They can leave the first round with Cozens\Turcotte + Broberg\ York as an example.

 

[AzKing]

I agree, Byram is more likely to slide than Turcotte.
Avs have 2 first round picks so I think the Avs are also thinking that if they get a high end center at 5, they will have a better shot with their #16 pick to get good D prospect with top 3 potential than a top Center they really need. They can leave the first round with Cozens\Turcotte + Broberg\ York as an example.

Makes sense, I feel the same way with us if we took a Forward early. The Defensive prospects have less warts than the Forwards as things progress. They are in a great spot at #16 to nail it from both sides.

 

[AzKing]

https://thehockeywriters.com/2019-nhl-mock-draft-round-1/

Seven Round Mock Draft - Kings take Byram and Kaliyev in the 1st

If Kaliyev is there at #22, I will take a dump in my pants. Caufield should never make it to #14. This is probably the weirdest I have seen. So many head scratchers. Zegras over both Cozens and Dach if CO goes Center, Podkolzin for Detroit who can't afford to risk, Cozens sliding to #9, Seider dropping all the way to #25. It's crazy.

That said, if you look at this link, the guy said he had an 84% hit rate in the First Round before he did his 2018 mock: https://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-mock-draft-round-1/

His drafts tend to make the Kings look good though because he had Kupari going #16 to CO last year and had Akil Thomas going #23 to ANA. Both of our picks slotted higher than where we grabbed them.

 

[jfont]

"we’re told the Kings are high on Saskatoon centre Kirby Dach "

If Byram is gone, I really like Dach at 5.

 

[riznat]

Today its Dach, yesterday we were all excited for Zegras, before that it was Caufield, before that it was Cozens, before that it was Byram.

I know we got nothing else to do but put a microscope under each player and romanticize that its the perfect pick, its kind of funny. Will we keep rotating in new players we haven't discussed or just stick to these ones and run out of things to talk about?

 

[Mats26]

If Kaliyev is there at #22, I will take a dump in my pants. Caufield should never make it to #14. This is probably the weirdest I have seen. So many head scratchers. Zegras over both Cozens and Dach if CO goes Center, Podkolzin for Detroit who can't afford to risk, Cozens sliding to #9, Seider dropping all the way to #25. It's crazy.

That said, if you look at this link, the guy said he had an 84% hit rate in the First Round before he did his 2018 mock: https://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-mock-draft-round-1/

His drafts tend to make the Kings look good though because he had Kupari going #16 to CO last year and had Akil Thomas going #23 to ANA. Both of our picks slotted higher than where we grabbed them.

Zegras is my sleeper pick. Kid has all the tools to be a star in the league. Needs to bulk up, simplify his game, but in 3-4 years he could be a dynamic playmaking forward. I think Avs might like him as well, might see him as a Duchene type. We'll see how it pans out.

 

[KINGS17]

Awesome, so we are landing Panarin. Leave it to Bernstein...

Yeah, just like we were in on Drury and Chara back in the day.

 

[KINGS17]

Today its Dach, yesterday we were all excited for Zegras, before that it was Caufield, before that it was Cozens, before that it was Byram.

I know we got nothing else to do but put a microscope under each player and romanticize that its the perfect pick, its kind of funny. Will we keep rotating in new players we haven't discussed or just stick to these ones and run out of things to talk about?

I like them in this order for the Kings:

1. Turcotte
2. Byram
3. Cozens
4. Dach/Zegras

 

[Mats26]

Today its Dach, yesterday we were all excited for Zegras, before that it was Caufield, before that it was Cozens, before that it was Byram.

I know we got nothing else to do but put a microscope under each player and romanticize that its the perfect pick, its kind of funny. Will we keep rotating in new players we haven't discussed or just stick to these ones and run out of things to talk about?

Honestly I don't care who we pick as long as Pick#5, #22 and #33 are the best players from the draft.

 

[AzKing]

Zegras is my sleeper pick. Kid has all the tools to be a star in the league. Needs to bulk up, simplify his game, but in 3-4 years he could be a dynamic playmaking forward. I think Avs might like him as well, might see him as a Duchene type. We'll see how it pans out.

I don’t think anyone will be upset if the Kings choose Zegras or Dach. The main point of contention will be just how good is an elite playmaking Center when you have a bunch of plumbers on the receiving end of those passes?

The Avs have the weapons to utilize that capability.

 

[KINGS17]

I don’t think anyone will be upset if the Kings choose Zegras or Dach. The main point of contention will be just how good is an elite playmaking Center when you have a bunch of plumbers on the receiving end of those passes?

The Avs have the weapons to utilize that capability.

True, but Blake shouldn't be drafting for the players the Kings have today. None of the players the Kings pick at #5 are going to hit the NHL ice for at least three years.

 

[Reaper45]

Yeah, just like we were in on Drury and Chara back in the day.

Well to be fair they WERE in on both of those guys. They just opted to stay back East.

 

[KINGS17]

Well to be fair they WERE in on both of those guys. They just opted to stay back East.

Yeah they were, it was just a real, real long shot.

I think the first guy that gave Dean serious consideration was Hossa. With hindsight being 20/20, what an addition he would have been to play on Kopitar's wing.

 

[LAKings88]

When did Byram become underrated? Guy draws comparisons to Niedermayer, Rielly, and Doughty. All of a sudden it’s pass. Wasn’t there a poster on here predicting Chicago and Colorado would go offense weeks ago. Thought he said LA was in on Byram too.

 

[AzKing]

When did Byram become underrated? Guy draws comparisons to Niedermayer, Rielly, and Doughty. All of a sudden it’s pass. Wasn’t there a poster on here predicting Chicago and Colorado would go offense weeks ago. Thought he said LA was in on Byram too.

I don’t think anyone says he is underrated. He will be picked no later than #5 guaranteed.

 

[Jungle Boy]

A bunch?

I didn’t make my self clear. A bunch of fowards that we could package alongside one of the goalies and/or dman to get another first. I look at Edmonton for instance, a lot of questionable contracts, a number of holes and a new GM. Someone here made a great trade proposal with Lucic. And then there is Toronto and their cap hell. I really don’t mind getting Zeitsev and Marleau if this get us a 2020 1st. Even if we have to send any of our dman not named Doughty.

Carolina, Calgary, Edmonton and Buffalo could be interested in Quick if not trade Petersen. He may be the next Martin Jones, just make sure he stays in the east.

We have 8 nhl dman plus VV. Trade at least one of them now and another or two by TDL.

Our fowards:

Kovalchuk - could be traded this season or the next.
Prophorkin - if he doesn’t want to resign with us could be traded.
Carter - could go back to the east coast, let’s say Carolina to play with Justin Williams again. His salary after next season is 2,2M. Great for a budget team.
Tofoli, Lewis and Clifford - gone by TDL.

The only players that I think would fetch a first rounder right now is Martinez and the goalies. But management needs to explore all the options to get something back at this draft and during the season to restock the farm and open up spots so the younger players could play.

 

[fsanford]

Dach? Sigh

Well maybe big and grinding will come back is style.

What's the old line the more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[kovacro]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hawks traded out of the 3 spot. They’re essentially playing with house money and it’s been noted they have roughly 6 guys they are considering.

Overall, I think we may see a bunch of trades in the 1st round. It’s one of those drafts where teams have a handful of guys on their lists they would be content to select and wouldn’t be against moving around the draft board depending on who is still on their board.

 

[raswilliam]

Dach? Sigh

Well maybe big and grinding will come back is style.

What's the old line the more things change the more they stay the same.

Dach isnt a grinder. He's a lanky play making center. In fact, one of the knocks on him is he has some soft tendencies.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What stands out to me about Zegras is that he’s the one who is distributing the puck on a line with Jack Hughes.

It’s also evident that he’s a very smart player, and he actually busts his ass to retrieve the puck. He’s not a soft, one dimensional player with questionable work ethic who constantly needs to be motivated to perform, y’know, opposite of most Kings forwards.