I just dont see how both the Hawks and Avs pass on the offensive players they need... Turcotte is going either 3 or 4 and thats only because Cozens, Dach, Podzolkin, Zegras and Caufield are looking like top 6 players within a year, so theres options ... Both teams are in a great position with their defensive pipeline.. they lack secondary scoring.. I in my Opinion lol, still think we land Byram at #5.. Even Blake and the FO believe he'll be there ... This is another Seth Jones situation ..
Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall
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kovacro
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If it’s another Seth Jones situation would you not think the Hawks or the Avs would ensure they jump on the chance to draft Byram?
For me, defensemen are like pitchers, you can never have enough in the stable.
You can always use them as collateral to acquire help in other areas.
For me, defensemen are like pitchers, you can never have enough in the stable.
You can always use them as collateral to acquire help in other areas.
Ziggy Stardust
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Nobody knows what Chicago or Colorado is thinking. That supposed "rumor" is just unverified gossip.
NHL Rumors are among the worst in all sports. The amount of losers out there just going for click bait makes it hard to know what is real anymore. I do know that around this time, the top prospect and sometimes the #2 start getting overanalyzed and someone out of nowhere gets propped up higher. It has happened almost every year like clockwork. Now we have Hughes dropping and Kakko being put out there as the #1 because some magical intel is out there that makes the months of scouting both players all of sudden insignificant. I don't grab that low hanging fruit.
Hughes is going to go #1 overall. Kakko will go #2. Everything after that is still out there.
Hughes is going to go #1 overall. Kakko will go #2. Everything after that is still out there.
kovacro
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I think @tonellisghost has the respect of a bunch of people on this board and in his mock of the top 5, he had Kakko at number one to the Devils.
I wouldn’t say he’s grabbing “low hanging fruit”. I’m not overly familiar with his background but, TG certainly contributes with some solid knowledge/opinions on this board.
I’m hoping he comes around on a more regular basis.
Sure, maybe I’m buying in to things that I have read but, it seems to me over the last couple months Kakko has crept closer to Hughes in the discussion for 1st overall. Might not happen and it may all be just a big smokescreen but, I wouldn’t be shocked if the Devils went that way come the draft.
Small sample size from what I watched of him, he did look real good at the recent world championships.
Just my 2 cents.
I think @tonellisghost has the respect of a bunch of people on this board and in his mock of the top 5, he had Kakko at number one to the Devils.
I wouldn’t say he’s grabbing “low hanging fruit”. I’m not overly familiar with his background but, TG certainly contributes with some solid knowledge/opinions on this board.
I’m hoping he comes around on a more regular basis.
Sure, maybe I’m buying in to things that I have read but, it seems to me over the last couple months Kakko has crept closer to Hughes in the discussion for 1st overall. Might not happen and it may all be just a big smokescreen but, I wouldn’t be shocked if the Devils went that way come the draft.
Small sample size from what I watched of him, he did look real good at the recent world championships.
Just my 2 cents.
I wasn't meaning for it to sound like I was targeting that poster in particular. I was more generalizing the mainstream media with the way they cover things. I actually like the inside posters a lot more than what I see on so many networks because a large portion of them just regurgitate things for clicks and attention. If Kakko goes #1, I would be quite surprised but I guess anything can happen.
kovacro
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I didn’t want to come off as insinuating you were singling out anyone on here. My bad.
I’m a fan of TG’s stuff and respect his takes so when he mentions something like Kakko going number one, I take note. He knows his stuff.
Agree with you there are a shit load of guys out there just looking for some click bait.
On the flip side, you can find some real informative stuff out there from guys like the Sam Cosentino’s and Corey Pronman’s of the world who have an excellent pulse on junior hockey and I really enjoy reading their stuff and respect their takes on the kids in the upcoming draft. They are dialed in.
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Raccoon Jesus
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I'm with you, I get it. Seems like every year they want to create controvery where there's not between #1 and #2, so when there IS actually controversy, it feels cheap.
Blackhawkswincup
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Byran is more a need then Turcotte
Duncan Keith turns 36 in July and Hawks have no LHD with his skillset as replacement in system. Byram is everything we are in need of on left side and would have highest upside of all the defenders drafted by Hawks in recent years
Hawks have Toews (Just turned 31) and Strome (Just turned 22) for our top 6 C's so not really sure why Turcotte would be "Need" right now
And if the Hayes stuff is true and Hawks go after him that would give us another top 9 C (Hayes just turned 27) so would make Turcotte even more a lower need
Hawks reportedly like both Byram and Turcotte but if you ask fans and most hockey people Bryam is the guy who makes most sense and would fill bigger need
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The more I read about Podkolzin, the more he seems to be something between Michael Ferland and Wayne Simmonds. Of course it'd be nice to have a Simmonds, but how long until he reaches that potential? 7 years? 10?
Right now, I think, my order of prefence would be:
1.Byram
2.Cozens
3.Dach
(followed by, in alphabetical order, Caufield, Turcotte, Zegras)
Right now, I think, my order of prefence would be:
1.Byram
2.Cozens
3.Dach
(followed by, in alphabetical order, Caufield, Turcotte, Zegras)
yankeeking
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The over analyzing go all thru the first round, sometimes due to a great showing like Byram just had or a mediocre tournament like the Canadian kids just had or the fact someone didn’t play like Dach. For the last year Zegras,Cozens and Dach were consistently ranked in the top five and now that we have pick five we have talked ourselves into believing there is only four elite players available guys like cozens and Zegras make your team faster and more skilled and make the team around them better what else could you want from a seventeeen yr old,
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Ziggy Stardust
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Why do they? Half the scouting rankings still don't have Turcotte in their top 4 or separated from the rest. Also COL has been interested in Cozens throughout the year and heavily scouted him. Cozens is furthermore one of the more NHL ready players and COL doesn't need the elite 1C as they have that. Plenty of mock drafts and scouting services have Cozens/Dach going #4 up to COL or even at #3. Far from absurd to see one of Turcotte/Byram drop to us or even see Turcotte there and not picked. I'd be shocked if Blake passed on Byram based upon comments made.
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If you like Caufield and want the Kings to draft him, you are going to be a lot louder in your support after reading this:
Pronman: Why you shouldn't underestimate prospect Cole...
I have no doubts that this kid is going to be a major goal scorer in the NHL if he is on a line where the focus isn't just on him and if he has a playmaking center. He just scores goals anywhere and everywhere on the ice. When you have a wrist shot like he does with accuracy, you basically scare the daylights out of Defenses and Goalies.
You probably won't see Caufield last beyond #7-8.
Pronman: Why you shouldn't underestimate prospect Cole...
I have no doubts that this kid is going to be a major goal scorer in the NHL if he is on a line where the focus isn't just on him and if he has a playmaking center. He just scores goals anywhere and everywhere on the ice. When you have a wrist shot like he does with accuracy, you basically scare the daylights out of Defenses and Goalies.
You probably won't see Caufield last beyond #7-8.
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Ziggy Stardust
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I just hope they don't make another regretful draft decision that will set the organization back for years. They've had one too many of those with the very few first round selections they've had over the past decade.
I think that Zegras is going to go higher than some may think. If a team really feels that he was just sitting in Hughes' shadow and could have carried the load as a #1, then he could be the first Forward off the board after Hughes and Kakko if a team wants that potential #1 Center. Right now, it seems like you have Cozens, Turcotte, Dach and Zegras all in a group where there isn't a huge gap and it depends on what a team feels. Cozens is more of an outlier in that he could be a C or W whereas Dach, Turcotte and Zegras are pretty much only Centers.
Raccoon Jesus
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Never thought I'd see another mention of David Van Der Gulik!
I don't see how they can if they stay at #5. They would have to go completely off the board because there are so many guys lumped in that 3-8 range and while they won't all be stars at the NHL level, Cozens, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras, Byram, Caufield and Krebs look to have Top 6 upside depending on health and if they aren't blocked by a veteran. The draft is somewhat idiot-proof if a team stays within the chalk line of the Top 10. I think Boldy could sneak into the Top 10.
Things start to get a little more speculative once you start looking at the guys like Kaliyev, Newhook, Brink, Lavoie, Tomasino, Suzuki, etc. The Defenseman look better at the front end once you get outside of the Top 10 and I think there will be a run on them from 10-20. These guys could all be gone before we pick at #22: Broberg, York, Harley, Soderstrom, Seider and Heinola.
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