Speculation: 2019-2020 Sharks Roster Discussion

[RoloTonyBrownTown]

**** it. If EK65 re-signs I want to also sign Nyquist and totally re-do the bottom-6. Skip re-signing both Pavs and Jumbo. Hopefully get Donskoi back for cheap. Potentially Heed.

Meier-Hertl-Nyquist
Kane-Couture-Labanc
Chekhovich-Suomela-Donskoi
Chmelevski-True-Gambrell

Simek-Burns
Vlasic-EK65
Ryan-Heed

Wishful thinking here ofcourse because these guys are largely unknowns but the known quantities didn't really do ****.

I like this approach, because I feel after the Blues/Bruins final, a lot of teams are going to copycat and look to go "hard and heavy" or some such bullshit. Instead of copying others, DW should actively start attempting to counter that next big trend. Not that the team you listed is tiny, but it is smart and skilled. If the system is in place that enables them to be defensively responsible while practicing smart puck management with a little room for offensive creativity, that could be a great squad should the youngins be able to make the next step.

 

[DG93]

**** it. If EK65 re-signs I want to also sign Nyquist and totally re-do the bottom-6. Skip re-signing both Pavs and Jumbo. Hopefully get Donskoi back for cheap. Potentially Heed.

Meier-Hertl-Nyquist
Kane-Couture-Labanc
Chekhovich-Suomela-Donskoi
Chmelevski-True-Gambrell

Simek-Burns
Vlasic-EK65
Ryan-Heed

Wishful thinking here ofcourse because these guys are largely unknowns but the known quantities didn't really do ****.

You forgot one crucial step to making this lineup happen. Fire the bald oaf.

 

[DG93]

Yeah. It's interesting that we play a similar system to what we did 3-4 years back. We have faster, younger and skilled players now in Meier, Kane, Hertl. Even had Nyquist this year. The system does not appear that it is trying to make use of those skillsets.

Like you said, its too predictable and easy to counter.

Yep, when that 28-39-14 line started playing a more speed/skill game vs. Colorado, they were at their best. I want to see more of that.

 

[pappaf2]

Can you give me some examples of what type of damage? It is not that our team is an over-achieving team because of leadership.

The organization needs to do what is right for the team. These guys are pros and I don't expect them to pout or demand trades because we refused to re-sign Pavs. The only player I could see a dip in performance from would be Burns if they let Thornton walk as well. Those two appear to be really close.

Yes they are all pros, and maybe it won’t be an issue, but Pavs is obviously a guy that everyone seems like they’d run through a brick wall for, look no further than LV game 7. If that same unjury happens to Melker do you think the team goes ham and scores 4 times?

I could just see some emotional let down from the team if they let Pavs walk, even if it’s technically best for team from a cap space/performance standpoint.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

You forgot one crucial step to making this lineup happen. Fire the bald oaf.

Yeah. Its not going to happen mainly because of that reason. PDB's style is not focused on players being creative. Their mistakes are severely punished and they go to the doghouse real quick. Just look at Labanc before this year.

Also, I wish we would fire PDB but DW has already said he is coming back. I do think he will be on a short leash this time but I really don't know anyway. DW is way too conservative about coaching changes.

 

[hohosaregood]

Which leads me to the next major gripe I have, that our system is terrible boring, predictable and uncreative. Get pucks deep, pass back to the point, hope for a tip. Yeah pavelski put up alot of points doing it, but when everyone knows your playbook it gets easy to counter.

They do so well getting pucks in deep. It'd be so easy for the forwards to just throw the puck to the net or across the slot but they rarely do that and just send it back to the point. It'd be an easy adjustment for them to make.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Yes they are all pros, and maybe it won’t be an issue, but Pavs is obviously a guy that everyone seems like they’d run through a brick wall for, look no further than LV game 7. If that same unjury happens to Melker do you think the team goes ham and scores 4 times?

I could just see some emotional let down from the team if they let Pavs walk, even if it’s technically best for team from a cap space/performance standpoint.

We don't know what happens if Melker got injured. Or Hertl. Or Burns. We can just speculate. If Pavs gets traded, maybe the team starts slow but in the end they are all playing for the cup.

The point is moot because we caught lightning in a bottle on that powerplay and scored 4 times. It's only the 2nd time that has ever happened in the history of the sport so the chance of that happening again would be pretty low.

 

[Jaleel619]

Pavelski isn't going to throw away the foundation he created to become the hockey player he is today, sure maybe if he was not even an alternate C. But at this stage in his career, it doesn't make any sense. You dont have to look far to see how that went for Marleau. Id wager he would take $1-2M to make it work.

Like is $1-2M more at this point going to really make him happy? I dont think so. (not that I know him personally) but at the start of the 17 season when they hung the Western Champs banner, he said its not enough. So I know he's a shark, and wants to be a Shark. He doesn't take it for granted. Yeah hes a $6.5M player but hes already made that money before. To win the Cup, its either Cup or $$…. he wants the Cup.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

They do so well getting pucks in deep. It'd be so easy for the forwards to just throw the puck to the net or across the slot but they rarely do that and just send it back to the point. It'd be an easy adjustment for them to make.

LOL. Yep.

"Hey coach. What should we do in the offensive zone"
"Get it to Burns. He will be there playing point"

You have Kane, Hertl, Meier. Use their speed, skill and size.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Pavelski isn't going to throw away the foundation he created to become the hockey player he is today, sure maybe if he was not even an alternate C. But at this stage in his career, it doesn't make any sense. You dont have to look far to see how that went for Marleau. Id wager he would take $1-2M to make it work.

If that was indeed the case, he would have been re-signed already. No way the league approves him signing a deal for $1-2M.

 

[Jaleel619]

Well DW has a lot on his plate. Has to have a lot of conversations to figure out what we have here. And the league can't stop a player for signing the minimum. Like..... 20,000 messages and you dont know this?

Also, Pavelski will most likely get what he can... If we have the team we want, and theres an extra $$ left over he can take it, cuz we have Platner. Now stop replying to me with things that aren't true, its getting really old. The league can only stop weird trades, they can't veto a contract cuz its too cheap, the minimum is the minimum. Regardless of talent.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Well DW has a lot on his plate. Has to have a lot of conversations to figure out what we have here. And the league can't stop a player for signing the minimum. Like..... 20,000 messages and you dont know this?

Also, Pavelski will most likely get what he can... If we have the team we want, and theres an extra $$ left over he can take it, cuz we have Platner. Now stop replying to me with things that aren't true, its getting really old. The league can only stop weird trades, they can't veto a contract cuz its too cheap, the minimum is the minimum. Regardless of talent.

LOL. Ok.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Pavelski isn't going to throw away the foundation he created to become the hockey player he is today, sure maybe if he was not even an alternate C. But at this stage in his career, it doesn't make any sense. You dont have to look far to see how that went for Marleau. Id wager he would take $1-2M to make it work.

Like is $1-2M more at this point going to really make him happy? I dont think so. (not that I know him personally) but at the start of the 17 season when they hung the Western Champs banner, he said its not enough. So I know he's a shark, and wants to be a Shark. He doesn't take it for granted. Yeah hes a $6.5M player but hes already made that money before. To win the Cup, its either Cup or $$…. he wants the Cup.

Pavelski also isn't going to take that much just to stay with the team because it sets a bad precedent for the same players that he helps to lead. There's no way in hell he would take 1 or 2 million just to stay here. He knows he's not just signing for himself but for everyone that inevitably ends up in his position at his age. He has to set the bar for those that come after him when they get to his point in his career and not let teams take advantage of them.

 

[hohosaregood]

I don't know what the percentage drop you can go from year to year is but I think I'd be pretty okay with like a 2 year deal for Pavs that is like $6.5/7m year 1 then $4m year 2.

 

[WSS11]

Well DW has a lot on his plate. Has to have a lot of conversations to figure out what we have here. And the league can't stop a player for signing the minimum. Like..... 20,000 messages and you dont know this?

Also, Pavelski will most likely get what he can... If we have the team we want, and theres an extra $$ left over he can take it, cuz we have Platner. Now stop replying to me with things that aren't true, its getting really old. The league can only stop weird trades, they can't veto a contract cuz its too cheap, the minimum is the minimum. Regardless of talent.

Never going to happen and though I can’t remember a player getting a contract rejecting by the league for taking too little they did reject Kovalchuk’s nearly 10 years ago at their discretion. If Marleau would leave for an extra year and $8MM you really think Pavs would take a $4MM AAV pay cut on the open market after a 38 goal season? Get real. He may want to win a cup so badly that he’d take two years 11MM and even that is very unlikely.

 

[67 others]

I suspect Pavelski will sign a 3 year contract at Burns AVV. But that's just me.

All depends on Karlsson at this point

 

[WSS11]

I suspect Pavelski will sign a 3 year contract at Burns AVV. But that's just me.

All depends on Karlsson at this point

That would be a terrible mistake by whomever signed him to that deal

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I suspect Pavelski will sign a 3 year contract at Burns AVV. But that's just me.

All depends on Karlsson at this point

That would be brutal for the future of this franchise. I would rather throw 11M AAV at Duchene for 7 years than that amount of money at Pavs for 3.

 

[LadyStanley]

Sounds like they won't do those guys any favors

 

[stator]

He'll go for the money much like Marleau did, whether in San Jose or elsewhere. I think it was Ovechkin that pointed out he was underpaid, publicly.

 

[STL Shark]

He'll go for the money much like Marleau did, whether in San Jose or elsewhere. I think it was Ovechkin that pointed out he was underpaid, publicly.

My guess is that he goes to someone like Carolina, Minnesota, Avs, or Islanders who have cap space. Carolina/NYI/Colorado are all younger teams that could use some leadership from a guy like Pavs while I think Minnesota is close to home back in Wisconsin and he could team up with some other respected vets and a good young core below them and maybe make some noise. Those teams all seem like the types that would be able to offer up a lot more than we can/will. DW showed with Marleau that he is not going to get into a bidding war outside of his comfort zone just because you are a team legend and respected in the room.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

He'll go for the money much like Marleau did, whether in San Jose or elsewhere. I think it was Ovechkin that pointed out he was underpaid, publicly.

I actually hope Pavs gets paid. He deserves it. Just don't want it to be in SJ because of his style of play and partly because of his age. He should be good for 50-60 points for the next couple of seasons.

 

[Jargon]

Had a dream I was watching the Sharks play next season and EK65 was on the team, so, you're welcome.

 

[STL Shark]

Had a dream I was watching the Sharks play next season and EK65 was on the team, so, you're welcome.

Based on the Kursk article just released, I’d guess it gets done with the Sharks and EK65. If Kurz is talking about something, usually the org has told him to write about it since he’s just kind of a puppet for them.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Based on the Kursk article just released, I’d guess it gets done with the Sharks and EK65. If Kurz is talking about something, usually the org has told him to write about it since he’s just kind of a puppet for them.

And if not, he is the new Eklund.


Kidding aside, he basically says 'according to a league source' so its really not him speculating. The 'belief' is that its around $10-11M a year.