2019-2020 - Around the League (All non-Stars NHL Talk here)

[BigG44]

 

[BigG44]

I think the scariest thing about Peverley was that everyone knew about the heart issue they found early that season, and no one really wanted to talk about it. I remember Razor talking about it after the fact and how hard it was being in the booth, broadcasting, but not wanting to speculate even though that was in the back of his mind.

 

[BigG44]

 

[serp]

Don't think thats a deserved firing because thats not exactly a good Wild roster and the team was pretty competetive but oh well. Seems like Guerin wanted to get rid of Boudreau .

 

[Smelling Salt]

Jim Nill to-do list 2020-2021

1. Dump Bowness
2. Let Todd Nelson move on to potentially head coach, keep Stevens and Laxdal
3. Hire Gallant as HC, Bruce as AC
4. Stonks????
5. Profit

 

[serp]

The only reason(s) i see why Boudreau was fired is because Guerin wants to sabotage the season and have them finish with a high pick. The team was playing well.

Maybe Guerin and Bruce also got into a shouting match because of the Zucker trade or something. Boudreau probably wasn't a happy camper about losing a top 6 forward for rebuilding pieces while the team can still make the playoffs.

 

[BigG44]

Looking at the list of fired coaches this morning after Boudreau got fired, something occurred to me for the first time .... if Jim Nill hires a new coach (he himself is fired or he chooses to not promote Bowness) ... are you concerned about the possibility of Babcock coming to Dallas?

He's a pretty extreme option for fans I think. By that, I mean you either love him because you see him as one of the best coaches in the league (time in Anaheim and Detroit/ Team Canada) or you hate him because he seems to represent the past and an inability to conform to the changing landscape of the NHL (hist time in Toronto).

Someone is going to hire this guy this summer. I'd be shocked if he wasn't. I think I lean more towards the group that think the game may have passed him by, but something about that seems arrogant to me just because of his resume. I'm a bit torn, but I do dread that thought a bit of him coming to Dallas. A few years ago, nearly any team would be thrilled to hire him, and I wonder if that's still true.

 

[serp]

I don't think Babcock is an option for Nill. He's like the ultimate character guy and if there's one thing known about Babcock now is that he's a massive asshole . He also knows him from the Wings and there's a few stories of Nill argueing with Babcock over players Babcock refused to use and refused to acknowledge milestole games. The Chelios story was one of those for example i remember.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Also Babs is too expensive. Unless he's willing to give up millions, he's just gonna collect pay and not work because I can't see anyone offering him anything close to what he makes right now.

 

[JesusNPucks]

I don't think Babcock is an option for Nill. He's like the ultimate character guy and if there's one thing known about Babcock now is that he's a massive ******* . He also knows him from the Wings and there's a few stories of Nill argueing with Babcock over players Babcock refused to use and refused to acknowledge milestole games. The Chelios story was one of those for example i remember.

Seriously?! That's pretty messed-up of Babcock; makes sense of benching Spezza on opening night, though. Also, makes sense if Nill argued with him over stuff like that.

 

[Limp Dekes]

Less we forget Babs robbing Modano of 1500 career games. He's clearly a sociopath that likes to play mind games and have power over others.

 

[BigG44]

Also Babs is too expensive. Unless he's willing to give up millions, he's just gonna collect pay and not work because I can't see anyone offering him anything close to what he makes right now.

Just wanted to point out he still gets the exact same money. Toronto would have to pay the difference if the new salary was less.

This is not to say he would not choose a paid vacation, but he also wouldn't lose that money if he came back for less.

 

[BigG44]

I don't think Babcock is an option for Nill. He's like the ultimate character guy and if there's one thing known about Babcock now is that he's a massive ******* . He also knows him from the Wings and there's a few stories of Nill argueing with Babcock over players Babcock refused to use and refused to acknowledge milestole games. The Chelios story was one of those for example i remember.

That makes me feel better because I don't recall the stories of Nill and Babcock butting heads. I'm honestly not even familiar with the Chelios story that you are referring too, but I was aware of the Modano situation.

 

[serp]

That makes me feel better because I don't recall the stories of Nill and Babcock butting heads. I'm honestly not even familiar with the Chelios story that you are referring too, but I was aware of the Modano situation.

Think Chelios said on a podcast ( spitting chicklets i think ) that Babcock had to more or less forced by Holland and Nill to dress Chelios for the Winter Classic in his hometown infront of his family and friends . IRC Chelios said he only got to play one shift that entire game .

I also remember a story where Babcock refused to dress a veteran despite the player begging for it because this was going to be the last game his sick grandmother or aunt would ever be able to attend and see him. There's been quite a few really bad stories about Babcock now.

He's just an asshat that was given way too much power over people. He's the kind of coach that would randomly call players on their off days and chastise players if he didn't agree with choices in their personal life.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Just wanted to point out he still gets the exact same money. Toronto would have to pay the difference if the new salary was less.

This is not to say he would not choose a paid vacation, but he also wouldn't lose that money if he came back for less.

That is brand new information to me. I assumed if he signed a deal with a new team the Leafs could stop paying him.

 

[serp]

That is brand new information to me. I assumed if he signed a deal with a new team the Leafs could stop paying him.

Leafs also need to give permission for Babcock to go somewhere. He is still under contract there and if the new deal is too cheap for their taste Leafs can deny letting Babcock go. Now i don't think that will be a problem but say Babcock signed for 1$ a year somewhere Leafs probably wouldn't agree to that since the rest they'd still have to pay.

 

[BigG44]

I also remember a story where Babcock refused to dress a veteran despite the player begging for it because this was going to be the last game his sick grandmother or aunt would ever be able to attend and see him. There's been quite a few really bad stories about Babcock now.

Oh my. I know I wasn't following all of that closely while the news was breaking earlier, but this one is incredible. That's just disgusting.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Leafs also need to give permission for Babcock to go somewhere. He is still under contract there and if the new deal is too cheap for their taste Leafs can deny letting Babcock go. Now i don't think that will be a problem but say Babcock signed for 1$ a year somewhere Leafs probably wouldn't agree to that since the rest they'd still have to pay.

I knew that, but the "top up" was definitely not known to me.

Ray Ferraro just yelled at me that I should be EMBARASSED!

 

[LT]

Leafs also need to give permission for Babcock to go somewhere. He is still under contract there and if the new deal is too cheap for their taste Leafs can deny letting Babcock go. Now i don't think that will be a problem but say Babcock signed for 1$ a year somewhere Leafs probably wouldn't agree to that since the rest they'd still have to pay.

This is correct. Babcock is still technically an employee for the Leafs. They're not going to want him coaching for someone else unless it's beneficial for them. Which basically means that a team would probably have to either pay out the rest of his contract to the Leafs or provide them with some kind of pick compensation (like we saw with Bylsma or even with how the Leafs "acquired" Babcock in the first place (although I don't fully understand that as he didn't have a contract with the Red Wings).

It's fairly complicated and given that he's already a problematic person and probably not even that great of a coach, it certainly doesn't seem worth the hassle.

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I'm of the mind that there should be simpler rules here. If a coach doesn't have a contract anymore, he should be free to do whatever he wants and his team shouldn't be compensated in any way. If he's fired, he will continue to receive payment via the terms of his contract until it runs out OR until he finds a new job. His previous team shouldn't have any say in that, though.

Organizations already have enough power over their employees. There isn't any need to give them any more, especially for coaches who aren't even doing their duties.

 

[serp]

Kings beat Avs in the stadium series 3:1 . Toffoli with a hattrick boosting his trade value . Also man both teams have hideous uniforms.

 

[LT]

Kings beat Avs in the stadium series 3:1 . Toffoli with a hattrick boosting his trade value . Also man both teams have hideous uniforms.

Makes the Central Division race that much more interesting.

 

[M88K]

This is correct. Babcock is still technically an employee for the Leafs. They're not going to want him coaching for someone else unless it's beneficial for them. Which basically means that a team would probably have to either pay out the rest of his contract to the Leafs or provide them with some kind of pick compensation (like we saw with Bylsma or even with how the Leafs "acquired" Babcock in the first place (although I don't fully understand that as he didn't have a contract with the Red Wings).

It's fairly complicated and given that he's already a problematic person and probably not even that great of a coach, it certainly doesn't seem worth the hassle.

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I'm of the mind that there should be simpler rules here. If a coach doesn't have a contract anymore, he should be free to do whatever he wants and his team shouldn't be compensated in any way. If he's fired, he will continue to receive payment via the terms of his contract until it runs out OR until he finds a new job. His previous team shouldn't have any say in that, though.

Organizations already have enough power over their employees. There isn't any need to give them any more, especially for coaches who aren't even doing their duties.

This practice ended years ago, you guys are aware of that right?

Teams have to ask the leafs permission (they can deny it), but otherwise they get 0 compensation for coaches and executives under contract (even if not fired)

 

[LT]

This practice ended years ago, you guys are aware of that right?

Teams have to ask the leafs permission (they can deny it), but otherwise they get 0 compensation for coaches and executives under contract (even if not fired)

Do you have a source? I hadn’t seen that.

 

[BigG44]

Do you have a source? I hadn’t seen that.

NHL to end coach and executive compensation policy

 

[M88K]

Damn he beat me to it