2019-20 Kings News/Rumors
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nope because it is a terminated cap hit and more so would resemble the retained portion of a trade. like if the leafs tried to trade the amount they have on their books for Kessel.
Ziggy Stardust
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Even with all that dead cap space, the Kings will have $20,139,773 available in the upcoming summer, and that is without taking into consideration of the fact that the cap will go up next year.
A physical, defensive RHD would be a nice add especially if we bring up one/few of Anderson/Bjornfot/Clague next season...
Maybe a Hamonic, TVR or someone of that ilk
Very true, and coudl be more if someone like Campbell is moved. However will be less with some RFA/UFA contracts to be signed. Mostly on D.
kingsfan28
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The only thing Roenick like was his contract. JR was the epitome of a lazy , out of shape player who wanted to do everything but play hockey in LA. IK came in motivated and in top shape and got caught in the suck storm of last year, especially with Willy D. The guy just couldn't fit in with the Kings, be it our system or just the new NHL in general. It still blows my mind how difficult it was for our point men to pass him the puck for one -timers.
Ziggy Stardust
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Of the RFA dmen, Walker is the one who may see a significant raise. MacDermid will be the only other RFA to re-sign, and Hutton, Forbort, LaDue and Ryan will be UFAs.
Next season's blueline could look very different with so many holes to fill, especially if they do end up moving Alec Martinez.
I would be pro re-signing Hutton and maybe Forbort depending on their contract demands. Defense is a definite area of opportunity for LA and would like some sort of stability.
Hutton is by no means a perfect player but i like his game. You rarely hear his name called and thats a good sign of a solid d-man. Hes got a good first pass on the breakout, good speed, mostly sound positionally, and is good enough in the offensive zone. You cant ask for more from a player in his price range. I think the only way he isnt resigned is if someone in the pipeline can take his job
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It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
I would be against signing Hutton, Ryan or Forbort. These are bottom pairing guys who will just take up space on the roster but won't make the team any better. Maybe the Kings sign one of them. Still have no idea if LaDue can play, being that he hasn't gotten any ice time.
KingsFan7824
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He had a couple moments. He's still talented. Certainly enjoyed scoring. Didn't look like anyone wasn't into it with him. The record with and without him over the last 117 games is significantly different though. They're worse this year than last year with him.
24-35-5 last year, .414%
5-11-1 this year, .324%
They're 28th overall in points% in 117 games. Isolate with and without him:
With him, they're at .395 in 81 GP, which would be 31st over the last two years combined. Without him, .528 in 36 GP, which would be 20th. So either way, not good, but better without him. They have 96 GF without him, 2.67 per game. 193 with him, 2.38 per game. 98 GA without him, 2.72. 271 with him, 3.35 per game.
9-7-2 without him this year. If they played at that clip through 35 games, that would be 39 points, putting them in the race for not just a wild card, but also this terrible division.
Would they have been as bad as they were last year had they not signed him? It seems like it would be no. How much better would they have been? In the race for the last playoff spot? If the beginning of the season starts off differently, who knows. If they were 8-8-1 this year, who knows. The franchise needs the higher picks and all, but who knows what happens in those other 81 games.
On the one hand, IK cost nothing, but it will go down as one of the oddest additions to the team. 29-46-6 over 2 seasons is the worst points% in the league. You want to say it's the worst signing in franchise history, but who thought they would be that terrible with him in the lineup? Even when he led the team in scoring under Stevens, they were 4-8-1, which is a 58 point team. If someone wants to call it the worst, that's fine. I go with oddest, just because one winger shouldn't make that big of a difference to the negative. That he's a complete maverick out there must be so disruptive though. They score more, and give up far less, without him.
24-35-5 last year, .414%
5-11-1 this year, .324%
They're 28th overall in points% in 117 games. Isolate with and without him:
With him, they're at .395 in 81 GP, which would be 31st over the last two years combined. Without him, .528 in 36 GP, which would be 20th. So either way, not good, but better without him. They have 96 GF without him, 2.67 per game. 193 with him, 2.38 per game. 98 GA without him, 2.72. 271 with him, 3.35 per game.
9-7-2 without him this year. If they played at that clip through 35 games, that would be 39 points, putting them in the race for not just a wild card, but also this terrible division.
Would they have been as bad as they were last year had they not signed him? It seems like it would be no. How much better would they have been? In the race for the last playoff spot? If the beginning of the season starts off differently, who knows. If they were 8-8-1 this year, who knows. The franchise needs the higher picks and all, but who knows what happens in those other 81 games.
On the one hand, IK cost nothing, but it will go down as one of the oddest additions to the team. 29-46-6 over 2 seasons is the worst points% in the league. You want to say it's the worst signing in franchise history, but who thought they would be that terrible with him in the lineup? Even when he led the team in scoring under Stevens, they were 4-8-1, which is a 58 point team. If someone wants to call it the worst, that's fine. I go with oddest, just because one winger shouldn't make that big of a difference to the negative. That he's a complete maverick out there must be so disruptive though. They score more, and give up far less, without him.
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BigKing
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Well, there is also the fact that both completely bombed and both were well past their primes. Interestingly enough, I bet Kovy will play less NHL games from today on than Roenick did after leaving LA.
Kovy is not a bad guy and all of my criticism of him is purely based on his play. I'm pretty sure I actually stood up for his character when the signing happened because his teammates always seemed to like him. It's great that he is in great shape but that doesn't mean he is a good NHL player. He has talent but that also doesn't make him a good NHL player.
The problem wasn't Willie or his teammates not being able to get him the puck: he wasn't good this season and he flubbed tons of opportunities. The problem is that he is not a player that plays structured hockey and he no longer has the speed and skill to get away with it. He's a turnover machine that doesn't play defense and can't score 30 goals to hide those deficiencies.
No other team would deal for him even in a retention scenario. Doesn't completely mean that someone won't take a chance on him now that he will be UFA but, seriously, I can't trust this guy to have a positive impact on the ice if I'm a coach. I mean, Trevor Lewis is probably going to be more of a net positive.
Good post. The fact he didn't go drama queen increased my respect for him.
Who do you get to play D then? You have Doughty, Walker, MacDermid...and ? I think you are playing with fire if you expect 3 young players, to come in and try to adjust on the fly to the NHL game, I think you need Forbort, Hutton (I wouldn't touch Ryan with a 10 foot pole) and then you bring in your young guys gradually, get them a taste, and if one of them secures a solid spot like Walker did...then you can offload Hutton or Forbort....and start again with another young guy etc...
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Agree in principal, but don't get the dislike of Ryan so far by so many fans. While he's had a few less than stellar moments (as have all the D men), it's all the moments you don't see are the one's that pass the test. I don't think too many fans realize that he has the best goals against rating on the team per 60 minutes (when he's on the ice at even strength, the puck rarely goes into our net). His rating of 1.0 is almost 4X better than Alec Martinez, 3X better than Drew so far. And we can't even argue quality of opposition either anymore, as he's on the #1 pairing. I'm not saying he's going to win any awards anytime soon, but it's results that count, and so far, he's getting them.
To me it's probably just the eye test, he's out of position more times than not, every time I've watched, he's just been horrendous, he's not winning battles etc, I could be influenced by a small sample, I get that....but I think if you are gonna sink money into a filler D, I would rather go with Hutton, who, has more upside I think...he still isn't great, but as a filler, I would take him over Ryan.
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Looking forward to seeing him play a couple games. I'd imagine he will get sent back down once Forbort or Martinez is ready to return.
Ziggy Stardust
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Safe to say the Paul LaDue era has come to an end. For a while, he was the most overrated prospect among Kings fans. An example not to count your chickens before they hatch.
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And he was drafted by Lombardi, after he stopped getting anything in the draft. Plus LaDue was a 6th round pick, at the age of 19, going on 20 the following Sept. To expect anything from him, was hoping against hope. But he a RHD, and once Voynov went away, they needed anyone to replace him, and he was one of the next guys on the list. It's a tremendous help when you luck out with 1 or 2 mid to late round picks. That's what made the 2007 draft successful. Martinez in the 4th round, and King had his 15 minutes in 2012.
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That may be true, but this move was more about asset protection. LaDue's 30 days on the active NHL roster were going to be up during the roster freeze period, so if they wanted to send him down after the holiday roster freeze, he would have been exposed to waivers. This way they can throw Clague a carrot for a bit until Amart or Forbort come off IR, while having LaDue play full-time in Ontario (especially after losing Bjornfot and Clague at the same time). LaDue also already makes an NHL wage no matter where he plays. At least if they don't expose him, he can be an extra player in a trade if the deadline if needed vs potentially having him grabbed on waivers by a team that has injury problems with D men.
TruKingFan
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I think hoping for a Voynov replacement in LaDue wasn't overrating him. If I recall, he showed promise his first go around with the Kings. What happened to cause him to become "stale" is a shame but you're right....time to move on.
Raccoon Jesus
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Looks like we need to trade for Caufield!
Excited for Clague to get a look. I'm sure he'll be running on adrenaline too. I expect this to look like Martinez's first callup, and hopefully it's similarly good for his growth--sees how different the game is at this level and why it's so important for him to look after his zone. The plus is his elite skating and he's another guy with some great offensive IQ that could make things interesting, the minus is he makes Joakim Ryan look like Rod Langway.
Excited for Clague to get a look. I'm sure he'll be running on adrenaline too. I expect this to look like Martinez's first callup, and hopefully it's similarly good for his growth--sees how different the game is at this level and why it's so important for him to look after his zone. The plus is his elite skating and he's another guy with some great offensive IQ that could make things interesting, the minus is he makes Joakim Ryan look like Rod Langway.
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