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I think brink and a 2nd is too much
I don't think Martinez gets Tippett either.
However i don't think either is insulting
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Just load Schmidt onto his old supplements, it'll be fine
I agree that Martinez's flexibility is a huge fit for VGK. Nashville as well. Those teams have the luxury of trying him at different spots and putting him down the lineup if that doesn't work.
Not sure what Florida would do with him, though.
BigKing
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Had a good chuckle at complaining about ruining Rempal. He's an undersized UDFA signing. Dime a dozen AHL player.
Luff is similar.
None of these guys are even Scott Parse.
Luff is similar.
None of these guys are even Scott Parse.
Relative to draft position those guys all were extremely successful.
Among 30th overall draft picks, Pearson is currently 9th all time in scoring.
Among 47th overall picks, Toffoli is currently 5th all time in scoring and will be 4th overall in scoring soon(funny story about 47th overall, the leader is Yannic Perrault).
Among 90th overall draft picks, Amadio is already 6th all time in scoring.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Most interesting to me is that McLellan wants Toffoli extended. I don't know where this comes from, but it's the first I heard from any part of management about bringing Toffoli back. Obviously, he's the Kings' best trade chip, it's hard to imagine the Kings not trading him.
Choralone
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I'd hazard that 1) the coach simply does not want to lose a good player and put an even inferior team on the ice, and 2) Toffoli has bought in to him and his system and he'd probably like to see that rewarded as an example to the other players.
Edit: Now that I think about it, it's 2: he needs to back Toffoli publicly to send a consistent message to his team, even if he knows Toffoli will be traded.
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One would have to ask themselves, what is the upside to retaining Toffoli for the next two or three seasons? Best that would happen is he would score 20 goals for one of the worst teams in the NHL.
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So are you saying the Kings are developing them well enough or that they don't have much to work with? Or do you think it's all okay?
Changes can't come soon enough. Light the match on this pile of tires already.
I personally think it might be worth re-evaluating our development staff, but I think the core issue has to do with the lack of talent we are providing them.
Is there a site you use that lists this?
And it is Perreault, everyone misses the second 'e'. I even saw some draft ranking for Jacob missing it. I have the same last name and it is always missed.
deeshamrock
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TT will end up in BOston, I think, although the FLames and Pens were also interested. I've read a lot of rumors and most of the FLyers rumors and TT wasn't in there. EF said he 'thought' the Flyers 'considered' , might be him musing. And it's unlikley Brink is going anywhere, esp for TT. THe most recent rumors concerning Fletchers shopping list is a top 6 forward who can play center and wing as it's a real struggle for Giroux to play center. He is only effective on wing and Fletcher wants to give Courtier and Hayes some support, so I think the original shopping list from last year and summer for a top 6 winger has been altered.
I thought there would be a move or two by now, but maybe the GM's are for the deadline.
Here is a link to what I was using. You can choose the draft pick range, I was looking at min/max of 90. Click on "show/hide search form". There's a lot of custom searching you can do with it.
NHL Draft Finder | Hockey-Reference.com
My bad about the misspelling. Until you mentioned that I didn't realize your user name was a reference to him, I was a big Perreault fan as a kid.
cool thanks.
Yes he is sadly why I became a kings fan. When I was a kid thought it was cool to cheer for someone with the same last name. He went to the leafs I stayed with the Kings.
I hope that LA is able to get another pick in the 20-25 range and take Jacob haha
It's funny, I had seen him mentioned among potential late 1st round picks and thought the same. In fact, it may have been you who mentioned him, but that honestly would be really cool, haha.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I think he's saying--and I agree--relative to position, those guys turned out very fine, even with development. Getting a 20-20-40 guy with the 30th pick is a victory, and I think that's a fair evaluation if Pearson, even given his bad year last year and his huge year this year. Toffoli is a 20-goal scorer who has broken 25 and 30, and his consistency is an issue as a streaky goal scorer, but he's a 2nd round pick for a reason. And Amadio is almost a 4th round pick, so getting an NHLer at all there is nice.
I have made vocal my questions of skill player development because I'm worried about the upcoming batch, but the truth is that's basically the first real batch they have to work with.
It's not that 'everything is okay,' it's that the highest Kings picks in consecutive drafts were low. After Schenn, they picked highest in consecutive years at 15 (Forbort), 49 (Gibson, ugh), 30 (Pearson), 37 (Zykov)--then not again till 103!, 29 (Kempe), 43 (Cernak), 51 (Clague). Then, they traded some of those guys, and the next highest picks were often in the 100s.
Like yes, it's unfortunate they landed a bunch of "just an NHLers," but it's actually a testament to drafting and development that those guys became NHLers at all as a group. It's more unfortunate they didn't land any late-round home-runs (again, bunch of "Just an NHL"ers at a greater rate than any other team), but it's pretty clear to see there isn't much evidence for the worry yet. Toffoli and Pearson have turned out--overall--just fine for what they are. There's just not a lot of high-end skill in that group to work with, less the fault of drafting/development and more the fault of asset management. Now if Clague and some after bust, we'll have a more thorough discussion.
Just spent way to much time on that site haha
Looking at players taken with the 11th overall pick Kopitar vs Iginla for best ever. I think Kopitar's cups take it but I am biased.
Looking at players taken with the 11th overall pick Kopitar vs Iginla for best ever. I think Kopitar's cups take it but I am biased.
raswilliam
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cool tool
Dustin Brown 113 points from taking over the (#13 overall draft) all time points lead.
Kopitar 365 points behind Iginla for(#11 overall draft) all time points lead.
It kind of puts it all in perspective, right? Brown and Kopitar were massive successes when you look at it from different points of view. They have really good arguments to be considered the greatest at their draft positions.
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BigKing
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T-Mac cares more about now and the next couple of seasons than he does a 2nd round pick that will be a low-minutes rookie--at best--in like four years.
Everyone loves JAD. 2nd round 2017. Maybe he is on the opening night roster for the start of the 2020-21 season which would be three years after his draft year. Akil Thomas is the same thing but move the years back one.
Coaches shouldn't be GMs for a reason. They want to win immediately and their jobs generally depend on it. Look at the Texans and how they traded all kinds of assets to win now because their coach is GM. Sure, they won a Wild Card game but they should have lost it and they actually aren't that good.
This, surely regardless of wanting toffoli for the future or not you trade him for assets no matter what. If toffoli wants to stay I'm sure he's very open to playing 30 games somewhere else if it speeds up the rebuild that he wants to be a part of.Maybe they trade TT and he resigns July 1st
Hoping with the lack of wingers on the market that LA can finagle a late first for him and not a late second from a contender.
Choralone
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I thought that at first, but if he truly disagreed he already told Blake behind closed doors. I doubt that their relationship has soured and McLellan is now publicly disagreeing with his boss midway through his first season on the job. It's something for the players to read or hear about and think, "Coach has my back".
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