2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[KINGS17]

I could understand this if we had that Franchise type young player or the 1OA pick.. but we dont and as much as everyone wants to get rid of players, most of what we have is unmovable.
Doughty/Kopitar/Quick/Carter/Brown wont stop the Kings from signing key UFA talent.. Its the fact that those players dont/never have wanted to come here.. Toffoli/Marty/Soupy/Hutton/Ryan/Lewis/Clifford should all be moved or at least try to move them... next season it should be Carter/Brown/???... and so on

I agree, the Kings aren't going to sign any "key UFA talent".

 

[kings11]

I agree, the Kings aren't going to sign any "key UFA talent".

 

[Little Psycho]

the carriage turned back into a pumpkin a long time ago. Time is up.

 

[redcard]

If he wants to stay a be a part of our future he can sign back with us in July.

Then we can trade him again.

 

[Statto]

I think we will wait until pretty late on before we move Toffoli and AMart. We want them moved but we don’t know what is on the table and I don’t think they go anywhere until Blake gets value. I think we can all agree he got good value with the Muzzin trade and he will be looking for the same. If he moved Toffoli now for a low 2nd round pick we’d all be freaking out over why he didn’t wait and I seriously doubt good value is there yet. Enough teams have defensive issues now where I’m starting to think we might get overpaid for AMart and his play the next few games is going to be very important. Toffoli will of course get us something reasonable.

It’s the rest that bother me. Clifford is the only other one of the obvious trade bait that might be very interesting to teams. He’s one of the few players here playing well, so I’d hate to lose him but if the offer is there he has to go. I’d be quite happy to see Iafallo moved also, but I’m not sure if we are likely to be shopping him. The rest of the scraps I think we should be just happy to move at all. If we end up with 3 x 2nd round picks, or a 1st and a 2nd after the TDL I think we will have done well. Anything after that is gravy. Unless Kempe gets flipped for a 5th or something... that would be a below average move.

 

[Sol]

Why do people keep acting like DL had no chance to enact a new plan when he kept bombing even after his "honest interview".

He lost sight of what it took to make a winner in the current circumstances and was stuck trying to revive a team that was completely lifeless.

Blake also has made some errors. Some extremely bad ones like promoting Stevens and hiring WD. extremly awful choices.

He's been good for the most part except some inexcusable gaffes. So if he steps down I want no one on the Kings brass to replace him and I want Luc gone with him if that's the case.

 

[Sol]

And f*** Toffoli. Wants to prove his value after being seemingly content with his own mediocrity. Now the idea of not getting his cheeks tanned by the ocean is what's probably gonna make him try.

Trade him already.

Tyler Toffoli, subject of constant trade chatter, wants to...

 

[KingsFan7824]

Prior to Doughty being a sure thing, DL's plan revolved around Johnson and Hickey on the blueline. At the time of course, Johnson was still JMFJ, but, he either wasn't that, or the Kings developed him poorly. Then he inherited a #1C prospect. Much easier to have a more defined plan when you start where he did as opposed to where Blake did. DL couldn't even manage a winning team, and he was an experienced GM. Not an easy job.

You can get a lot more than a low pick for Dustin Brown.

Why? What's a lot more? He's 35 with 2 full years left, and not chasing anything. Even at 50%, is he bringing back a player with any upside? A quality pick?

 

[BigKing]

Prior to Doughty being a sure thing, DL's plan revolved around Johnson and Hickey on the blueline. At the time of course, Johnson was still JMFJ, but, he either wasn't that, or the Kings developed him poorly. Then he inherited a #1C prospect. Much easier to have a more defined plan when you start where he did as opposed to where Blake did. DL couldn't even manage a winning team, and he was an experienced GM. Not an easy job.

3rd ranked prospect pool by Dean's 3rd year. 5th best prospect pool in his 4th and that didn't include Kopitar/Doughty/Simmonds/Johnson.

Turcotte is being touted as a sure thing. Basically every 1st and 2nd round pick is being touted by many on here as sure things.

Just a nice reminder that none of this is guaranteed and this current prospect pool might not be the cavalry that is needed to save the day. I mean, JMFJ was regarded higher than anyone in the current prospect pool.

Kings were going to get a great prospect at #5 but Luc's face at the lottery last year was like he found out his entire family just died. They know they need a real elite talent to kick this in to gear and it needs to happen while 11 & 8 are still legit.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Doughty is stepping up for the trade deadline by sitting out next game. Perfect opportunity to showcase Marty with 26 minutes of ice time. Put Forbort out there too while they’re at it.

If Toffoli isn’t traded, something rotten is going on and it probably has something to do with his agent Pat Brisson, aka Lucs bestie

 

[kingsholygrail]

the carriage turned back into a pumpkin a long time ago. Time is up.

Does he have facial hair now? wtf?

 

[KINGS17]

Why? What's a lot more? He's 35 with 2 full years left, and not chasing anything. Even at 50%, is he bringing back a player with any upside? A quality pick?

I think Brown would get the Kings no less than a second round pick.

He is still a 40 point winger who can play a physical game in the playoffs.

 

[bland]

I think Brown would get the Kings no less than a second round pick.

He is still a 40 point winger who can play a physical game in the playoffs.

He would likely be nowhere near that total on a team that slotted him properly. He gets prime minutes here due to his name and lack of competition. Plus his physical play and skating have been on a steady decline. He has the turning radius of a tugboat nowadays and rarely gets in fast enough to have any impact on the forecheck.

I know you have always had enormous respect for Brown, and for me it has always been far less so. If his contract was expiring you might see some action, but with two years left and very little impact shift to shift, I can't see any market for him whatsoever. He just doesn't get much of anything done at this stage of his career.

I seriously hope he announces that next year will be his last so he can have a feel good ending during what looks to be a bleak season.

 

[crassbonanza]

I think that offseason. Before he was fired he talked about re-stocking the pipeline and cupboard. I have said this before and been asked for links but can never find them, but I am certain I remember him saying it on a radio hit or I remember reading it. It is why I now say "I think" vs "he wanted".

He didn't get the chance, and that is not uncommon. Very few GM's get 2 kicks at the can.

So, AEG fired him because he wanted to restock, but then allowed Blake to restock?

I'm sure in hindsight he wanted to restock the cupboards, but his actions told another story. Emptying the pipeline completely for rentals that failed spectacularly for 3 straight years was a pattern. He had a perfect opportunity in 2016 to recognize the issues with the team and just stop going all in. Instead he traded away a recent top pick and the goalie who had carried the team all season for a rental goalie with worst number to be the backup. It's just f***ing illogical and doesn't speak to wanting to restock the pipeline.

That upgrade at the time was marginal at best(if not a downgrade) and he traded f***ing Cernak for Bishop to play 7 total games.

 

[KINGS17]

He would likely be nowhere near that total on a team that slotted him properly. He gets prime minutes here due to his name and lack of competition. Plus his physical play and skating have been on a steady decline. He has the turning radius of a tugboat nowadays and rarely gets in fast enough to have any impact on the forecheck.

I know you have always had enormous respect for Brown, and for me it has always been far less so. If his contract was expiring you might see some action, but with two years left and very little impact shift to shift, I can't see any market for him whatsoever. He just doesn't get much of anything done at this stage of his career.

I seriously hope he announces that next year will be his last so he can have a feel good ending during what looks to be a bleak season.

Brown still has some scoring touch around the net, and screens the goalie well. When a GM is looking for a piece that he thinks puts him over the top in terms of depth, they pay for it with a second round pick.

Additionally, the Kings could retain a bit of his cap hit in a trade and it would be no big deal.

 

[kingsfan28]

Why do people keep acting like DL had no chance to enact a new plan when he kept bombing even after his "honest interview".

He lost sight of what it took to make a winner in the current circumstances and was stuck trying to revive a team that was completely lifeless.

Blake also has made some errors. Some extremely bad ones like promoting Stevens and hiring WD. extremly awful choices.

He's been good for the most part except some inexcusable gaffes. So if he steps down I want no one on the Kings brass to replace him and I want Luc gone with him if that's the case.

DL saw the league changing right in front of his eyes and refused to believe them. "Speed is just a fad" comment proved it.

I had no problem promoting Steven, he knew the guys and it seemed like a logical choice. What we didn't know was how it would play out. The guys needed a coach that held them accountable, not just let them freewheel all season. As for WD , he was basically the only guy who would take the job, and was a flat out fraud of a coach. How did this guy ever get hired in Vancouver back then? Who knows, maybe this was part of Blakes plan to get the top pick.

 

[johnjm22]

Prior to Doughty being a sure thing, DL's plan revolved around Johnson and Hickey on the blueline. At the time of course, Johnson was still JMFJ, but, he either wasn't that, or the Kings developed him poorly. Then he inherited a #1C prospect. Much easier to have a more defined plan when you start where he did as opposed to where Blake did. DL couldn't even manage a winning team, and he was an experienced GM. Not an easy job.

And nothing ever really goes as planned. Dean had Purcell penciled in as our future top line winger. Not to mention O'Sullivan. Bernier was our future #1 goalie.

 

[KINGS17]

And nothing ever really goes as planned. Dean had Purcell penciled in as our future top line winger. Not to mention O'Sullivan. Bernier was our future #1 goalie.

For sure, course corrections were necessary, but they still got there. I think Kings executives prior to Lombardi would have force fed Bernier, and we may have never seen Quick get a real opportunity to shine. One of the best things Dean did along the way was force the players he drafted to earn their spot on the roster.

 

[johnjm22]

For sure, course corrections were necessary, but they still got there. I think Kings executives prior to Lombardi would have force fed Bernier, and we may have never seen Quick get a real opportunity to shine. One of the best things Dean did along the way was force the players he drafted to earn their spot on the roster.

It wasn't a criticism. Just pointing out that things never really work out exactly as planned even when you do achieve the end goal.

 

[KINGS17]

It wasn't a criticism. Just pointing out that things never really work out exactly as planned even when you do achieve the end goal.

Oh, I didn't take it as criticism. I agree with you.

 

[Herby]

Dean Lombardi is more a finisher than a builder. If I were a team that has been struggling to get over the hump (Tor,TB, Cgy) or a team just about to enter a SC window (Fla,Van) I would be all over bringing him in, he showed an ability to add the final pieces to put a team over the top.

But for a team like the Kings in 2017? No chance. AEG made the right move, it was time to find a GM who was going to be able to add key pieces through the draft, something DL just wasn’t able to do in his time in LA. Not to mention he was way to attached emotionally to a lot of the players.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I think Brown would get the Kings no less than a second round pick.

He is still a 40 point winger who can play a physical game in the playoffs.

Even at 35? His 3rd contract kicked in at 30, the contract itself was a reward for the Cup, and it's going to likely take him to retirement. And he's still worth no less than a 2nd?

For sure, course corrections were necessary, but they still got there. I think Kings executives prior to Lombardi would have force fed Bernier, and we may have never seen Quick get a real opportunity to shine. One of the best things Dean did along the way was force the players he drafted to earn their spot on the roster.

Prior Kings executives drafted Quick, and may not have even drafted Bernier. Although if Al Murray was directing the 2006 draft, I guess he could've still taken him, but would there have been the build from the net out directive from above him without DL?

 

[johnjm22]

When Lombardi arrived in L.A. he made plenty of gaffs:

-Hired the wrong coach. Had to fire him two years later.

-Completely miscalculated the "New" NHL. Thought it was going to be all about skating and offense. Thus he drafted Hickey.

-Gave up a 2nd and a 3rd for Dan Cloutier while immediately giving him a contract extension.

-Gave Preissing a 4 year contract. Total bust. Nagy and Calder contracts.

-Sat on assets like Visnovsky and Cammalleri and didn't trade them til their values dropped.

Can you imagine how DoktorJeep and the brigade would react if Blake made some of these errors?

Ultimately it doesn't matter if a GM makes mistakes as long as he has the ship steered in the right direction. Mistakes are inevitable. Lombardi had us steered in the right direction despite the above, and Blake has steered things in the right direction since he got here.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

But for a team like the Kings in 2017? No chance. AEG made the right move, it was time to find a GM who was going to be able to add key pieces through the draft, something DL just wasn’t able to do in his time in LA. Not to mention he was way to attached emotionally to a lot of the players.

I don't think AEG is that creative...I think the only thing AEG wanted was Sutter removed. Lombardi refused, so they both went.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

DL saw the league changing right in front of his eyes and refused to believe them. "Speed is just a fad" comment proved it.

And then the Capitals, then the Blues won cups. They weren’t “speed” teams.

We saw the Kings try to get fast with Rieder, picking up former first round picks. adding speed didn’t do anything. In fact Bluc also added Phaneuf and Kovalchuk to the roster, had to cut both after 2 seasons.