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2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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NotProkofievian said:
I waffled for a bit between Olofsson and Hållander recently, but Filip's just better IMO. Jacob has a tendency to do **** all. He's like Akil Thomas that way.
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Yep, after rewatching some things and going through my notes on both, I have Hallander firmly ahead now.

I like Olofsson but I also was a big fan of Jacob Josefson in his draft year, they both look like similar players at the same time.. hopefully Olofsson develops better than Josefson did.
 
G0bias said:
He was also a non-factor at the 5 nations. Doesn't hurt you on the ice but doesn't do **** either.
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There were a few games where he was quite impressive in Allsvenskan, but it was largely the same story. It's why I started to sour on him way back. It's kinda bizarre: he was pretty good at the U18's last year, actually. I wasn't the only one who thought so either.
 
The thing with Olofsson is that he has a mix of good speed, great hands, a good shot and good defensive game. Yet he manages to be underwhelming.

It`s not even a case of all the tools but no toolbox. Is it lack of effort? I really dont get it.
 
Janne Niinimaa said:
The thing with Olofsson is that he has a mix of good speed, great hands, a good shot and good defensive game. Yet he manages to be underwhelming.

It`s not even a case of all the tools but no toolbox. Is it lack of effort? I really dont get it.
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I thought he had some flat out dominant shifts in the offensive zone in the U-18s but there was also a lot of times where I forgot he was even playing.
 
Any time I caught a Timra game I just came away more impressed with Hallander. But Olofsson must've been doing something right for him to put up those numbers, as a center.
 
Mrb1p said:
Who's the last 6'5 forward project to be drafted and be succesful ?

Safin went in the 4th round, it's fine to gamble there, gambling on an uber project at 20ish is bad.

Anyway what is Noel going to be at the next level ? A 2nd liner that can put in 20ish dirty goals ? Wow.
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Very big guys with speed were very rare in recent drafts, McCarron was depicted as fast by Timmins but that was actually just "fast for his size", Noel is actually plainly a fast skater. Good 6'5+ prospects are rare to start with, being very fast on top of it makes it super rare, I believe Noel is actually quite a special player. I can't find anyone in recent years quite like him to compare, Dal Colle, Crouse, Brown, Rasmussen, Noel is faster than all of those. I think the best comparison would be Vesalainen, I heard many stating something similar as you just said about him (as a gamble with very uncertain offensive upside that project more as a bottom6 player), I think many changed their mind about Vesalainen after a year of development. You can't teach size and skating is hard to improve upon, those guys just have to put everything together and they will turn out very good players imo, players that every GM hope on having on their team. Even if they don't fully live up to what they could possibly be offensively they can be valuable complementary player on a NHL club still.
 
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TT1 said:
I really like Kotkaniemi's compete and hockey IQ but his play is very messy which worries me a bit. By messy i mean he's just a bit all over the place, his passes aren't crisp (he makes a lot of those hot potato passes which are hard to handle), his skating is weird because his turns aren't clean (his skating technique needs A LOT of work), there's a lot of pushing/shoving when he has the puck (a bit like Gallagher which isn't necessarily a bad thing) etc.

His shot is good and his puck handling is good, he just seems very raw right now. Of course that could mean he still has a lot of room for growth (very young player) but there's always that risk of a player not developing how you want him to. The thing he really needs to work on the most is definitely his skating, his speed is ok but his technique needs way more refinement.

He's a very intriguing prospect tho, right now he's a smart/high compete/good puck-handling player with a good release who needs to work on his passing and skating technique.
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At least there is a solid foundation to work with. If he has high hockey IQ, he can learn to be a better passer. And if he has raw speed but is lacking polish, that too can be improved upon.

What you can't teach is his offensive instincts, high hockey IQ and speed if he doesn't already own it. Sounds like a lot of goodies below the surface.
 
tooji said:
What are you really going to get to trade down those spots? A 2nd round pick? At our spot we have the luxury of taking whoever we want, why risk it.
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You can't trade the pick down unless there is such a massive overpayment. However, our GM is not sophisticated and trustworthy enough to handle the type of risk associated with making such a move. Hence, it shouldn't even be considered.
 
G0bias said:
Any time I caught a Timra game I just came away more impressed with Hallander. But Olofsson must've been doing something right for him to put up those numbers, as a center.
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Exactly. He does things right but he has all the tools to be doing so much better IMO. He has more skill than just a potential 3rd line centre but by the way he actually plays I`m scared to expect more.

WeThreeKings said:
I thought he had some flat out dominant shifts in the offensive zone in the U-18s but there was also a lot of times where I forgot he was even playing.
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His dominant shifts are why I still dont want to drop him in my rankings. But he needs to consistently play like hes capable of.
 
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Janne Niinimaa said:
The thing with Olofsson is that he has a mix of good speed, great hands, a good shot and good defensive game. Yet he manages to be underwhelming.

It`s not even a case of all the tools but no toolbox. Is it lack of effort? I really dont get it.
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Yeah, he's toolsy that's why I still have him in my first. Who knows why he plays the way he does, but, if it changes he could be a pretty good player.
 
Olofsson was good at WJC18 but nothing truly impressive. I highly doubt he can be more than 2nd liner at the NHL level base on what I saw. The floor is decently high though, because with the tools he has it shouldn't be that hard to find some sort of role at the NHL level.
 
Janne Niinimaa said:
The thing with Olofsson is that he has a mix of good speed, great hands, a good shot and good defensive game. Yet he manages to be underwhelming.

It`s not even a case of all the tools but no toolbox. Is it lack of effort? I really dont get it.
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Sounds like Eller.
 
ProspectsFanatic said:
Olofsson was good at WJC18 but nothing truly impressive. I highly doubt he can be more than 2nd line at the NHL level base on what I saw. The floor is decently high though, because with the tools he has it shouldn't be that hard to find some sort of role at the NHL level.
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2nd line C is his absolute upside, completely agreed there.
 
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le_sean said:
Sounds like Eller.
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If he keeps trending like this then yes Eller is a great cpmparison actually.

In his defense, Eller is now a good 3rd line centre on a great team so maybe he was picked a bit high but I think he would go around 20 in a re-draft. So I think having Olofsson around 15 is a decent placement.
 
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WinterLion said:
I feel your pain.

I wish I could get behind Boqvist more. Was he just particularly boring at the U-18's? I think I watched 3 or 4 games and was impressed for a bit of the Canada game.
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He's one of the youngest players in the draft. He was a month removed from being 2019 eligible.

Compared to Zadina who is one of the oldest of his class, was two months shy of being 2017 eligible.

We're gonna regret not drafting him or Hughes.

We need playmaking and skills.

Dahlin
Svech
Boqvist
Hughes

Best playmakers in the top 10.
 
Mrb1p said:
Is that the only argument you have ? He did good on a 30M skating drill without the puck and no one around him ? I've never seen him use that speed in game, plus his edges sucks.
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He is pretty fast I think it is pretty clear and don't see why I would need more argument. His edges are pretty bad I agree. I've never seen him use that speed in game, well that's weird because I did. Yea he isn't top3 with the puck, but considering he is first purely in speed it seems pretty evident that he is up there among other fast skaters.
 
ProspectsFanatic said:
He is pretty fast I think it is pretty clear and don't see why I would need more argument. His edges are pretty bad I agree. I've never seen him use that speed in game, well that's weird because I did. Yea he isn't top3 with the puck, but considering he is first purely in speed it seems pretty evident that he is up there among other fast skaters.
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The only time I ever see him doing something fast is when he loses sight of where he is on the ice.

Really though, he has a good 2-3 first stride thats for sure, he's awkward as hell and he's not going anywhere but in front of him when he skates, it's not what I want when Im drafting a player.
 
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