Edge
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Admittedly, I half paid attention while doing some work, but I thought Kravtsov looked okay out there --- especially for a kid who is still 5 days away from his 20th birthday.
Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #9 - Vitali Kravtsov (RW) - Part VII
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will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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If one of Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko succeeds, I'll be satisfied.
If two of Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko succeed, I'll be thrilled.
If three of Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko succeed, I'll... faint.
If two of Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko succeed, I'll be thrilled.
If three of Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko succeed, I'll... faint.
I'm pretty much banking on Kakko succeeding--if he fails it's quite a setback. So for me, he's not in these equations. Maybe replace him with Andersson or something.
Inferno
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I don't think faint was what you were gonna originally say.
will1066
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will1066
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Me too. I'm not saying I'm 100% sold on him becoming a star, but I'm kind of just operating under the assumption that he becomes a "top 10%" guy or something. Because if he's just like a top 25% guy or whatever, top 30%, that's fine, but would feel like a miss. To me anyway. So I go ahead and give him the benefit of the doubt and place my focus on the other recent top picks.
GeorgeKaplan
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I feel like he’s going to be a star player, but not necessarily that ‘Savior with a capital S’ that I’ve seen thrown about
Edge
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I'll respectively disagree on Kakko here and leave it at that.
Right. I think he can be a guy that pots 30+ goals every year. Not a superstar, but in that next tier of elite players. That's what I'm banking on. If he ends up a 20-20 guy or something, that realllly hurts.
will1066
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Deserter from the Church! Arrest this man!
NYRFAN218
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Thought he had a really rough first period. I was admittedly in and out of the game once it became a blowout but he seemed much more engaged in the 3rd period especially when they started shuffling line combinations. Considering it’s his first game back, the entire team was an atrocity, and he improved as the game went on, I think you have to be happy with how it went.
As an aside, he didn’t appear to be on either PP unit.
As an aside, he didn’t appear to be on either PP unit.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Reading through, I tend to think we're talking more about the difference between a generational talent and a star, but it's not a rabbit hole I want to go down. =)
will1066
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What if Andersson succeeds with them?
Dynasty. And you can't spell it without "nasty".
Amazing Kreiderman
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Liiga is a domestic league in 1 timezone. Sure, they fly up to Oulu but it's not even close to the impact the recent trip by the Rangers has on a player. At age 18, adjusting to a new country, new language, 3-4 games a week, at a higher level, with the long road trips west, how is it baffling that he is struggling a bit? I'm surprised people keep underestimating the impact all these things have on a player. Even with his recent struggles, Kakko is still on pace for 35-40 points as an 18 year old. That's pretty damn good
will1066
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I'm pretty good at looking at external factors. At the end of the day, though, it's still a sheet of ice that he plays on, and the opponents are still who they are. The NHL just didn't jump up a level in game play while he sat out with a cold. He might be fatigued, he might be homesick, whatever, but when steps on the ice, none of that goes through the mind. His fundamentals aren't the same as they were just before he got the flu.
ElLeetch
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Its wouldn;'t be a 'setback', it would be a failure of the entire rebuild process. You cannot fail on a top-2 pick and expect to win after.
Sure you can. If Kravtsov and Chytil turn into high-end players and guys like Lundkvist, Miller and Shesterkin develop, you can absolutely build a winner with the #2 pick being less than expected. It hurts, but of you've done everything else right, you can still make it.
Honestly the #2 pick was a gift, and wasn't even part of the plan.
will1066
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Edge
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Looking at past indicators, I think 30 goals and 90 points is very much in the eventual cross hairs from Kakko.
GeorgeKaplan
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I feel like he’s going to be in the same tier has like, a Getzlaf or a Jamie Benn have been in, but for the next generation of players
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This is Kravtsov thread? ; )
As I said before - absolutely no expectations from the first game given where Kravtsov was coming from the last couple of months and recent cross pond travel. Actually surprised that he was in the lineup in the first place, probably upcoming Christmas break with no games from Saturday til next Friday had something to do with it. Now I'm just looking for a progression, not even a game-to-game but week-to-week.
As I said before - absolutely no expectations from the first game given where Kravtsov was coming from the last couple of months and recent cross pond travel. Actually surprised that he was in the lineup in the first place, probably upcoming Christmas break with no games from Saturday til next Friday had something to do with it. Now I'm just looking for a progression, not even a game-to-game but week-to-week.
Maximus
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I'm with you and Edge on your #'s for Kakko and type of player he'll be once he gets some more NHL experience, stronger and faster and has more stamina to keep up with the pace of the league.
I was thinking that a floor of 30-30-60 is not unreasonable and that a ceiling in the 40-45-40-45-80-90 should be attainable down the road. And the Benn, Getzlaf type comparitars are pretty dang good ones...more Benn than Getzlaf seeing I anticipate Kakko to be more of a sniper than a disher like Getzlaf.
I'd also toss in a Thomas Vanek as a player that Kakko kind of reminds me of as well or what he'll eventually be....very skilled, will be able to dangle and deke and skate by guys but also won't be afraid to get himself into those greasy areas to get himself goals. That's what Vanek was all about and I can see Kakko doing exactly those things as well.
The one caveat to all this is this is us, the Rangers we are talking about and in my almost 50 years watching this team, I think I can count on two hands players we have rostered that have had the type of talent to even put up 40-40-80+ type #'s like what we anticipate Kakko could eventually become.
For shits and giggles, top of my head and I'm going randomly from whatever names come up first...Messier, Gartner, Panarin probably, Jagr, Ratelle, Gilbert are all players who could and have had 40-40-80+ type seasons multiple times. Now I'm starting to draw blanks and I don't want to cheat and google it but I can't come up with anymore...pretty sad actually!...lol
So not even 10 players in all of Ranger history that I can come up with as it's just 6 guys who have put up the #'s we anticipate Kakko will eventually do. Now you see why I'm a little paranoid about it happening so definitivly....this is the Rangers and it dont happen often. Though I'm very confident in it occuring, only time will tell folks.
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