OT: 2018 NFL Thread

[thethinglonger]

Shaquem Griffin officially made the final 53-man roster for the Seahawks...what an awesome story

 

[Ripshot 43]

why not, exactly? he is arguably the best pass rusher in the league

go through your teams past 2 first round picks and tell me you wouldnt trade them for Mack

That's presuming they're still gonna be bad after trading for said defensive player with all the offensive upgrades they've made this offseason (A-Rob, Burton). They're probably a .500 team as is depending on the QB it could go either side of .500 but clearly they're're following the Seattle formula of we'd better spend now while we have a QB under a rookie contract.

Oh the Bears will absolutely be a better team with Mack this year rather than 2 1sts that don’t start coming into play until next offseason. I would’ve made the trade if I were the Bears as well, I was just saying that it was smart of the Raiders if they didnt want to sign Mack for whatever reason (there was obviously a disconnect there).

 

[glenwo2]

Must mean they think Darnold is the real deal

Yep.

Jets name rookie Darnold starting quarterback

 

[glenwo2]

Davis Webb cut. Dan Bailey too. Bailey is still good. He was injured last season and will rebound well wherever he goes

Giants fans have to be crucifying the Giants GM right now 'cause they passed on a QB in favor of a RB(a good one but still) and got rid of someone many fans thought was Eli's successor.

This was a very....JETS thing to do. And I'm happy they did it so they'll get MOCKED for a change.


As far as Dan Bailey goes :

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

What do yall think of my fantasy, full PPR league team. Idk football and its my first ever draft

QBs - Wilson, Rivers
TE - Ertz
WR - M. Thomas, Landry, Woods*, Crabtree, Moncrief
RB - Hunt, Lewis, Coleman, Jones (suspended)
K - Succop
DEF - Philadelphia

* - I also just offered a trade of Robert Woods for Jay Ajayi to my buddy who has Gurley, Devonta Freeman, AND Kenyan Drake. So Ajayi is a 4RB for him and Woods is a 3/4WR for me. I need Ajayi at my 2RB and Lewis playing Flex or bench to solidify my group.

Thoughts on the team?

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Giants fans have to be crucifying the Giants GM right now 'cause they passed on a QB in favor of a RB(a good one but still) and got rid of someone many fans thought was Eli's successor.

This was a very....JETS thing to do. And I'm happy they did it so they'll get MOCKED for a change.


As far as Dan Bailey goes :

I imagine most Giants fans are where they usually are. Figuring out how the team is going to smash Philly and Texas with a 1st ballot hof qb. Isht, I forgot the best wr in the league, and a budding superstar at rb.

The Jets unfortunately will probably be where they usually are. Dissappointed in high draft qb's. And it's probably going to feel worse when a dude who played across town makes the pick look even more foolish.

 

[glenwo2]

I imagine most Giants fans are where they usually are. Figuring out how the team is going to smash Philly and Texas with a 1st ballot hof qb. Isht, I forgot the best wr in the league, and a budding superstar at rb.

The Jets unfortunately will probably be where they usually are. Dissappointed in high draft qb's. And it's probably going to feel worse when a dude who played across town makes the pick look even more foolish.

What "dude" are you referring to?

 

[Jack Be Quick]

What "dude" are you referring to?

Rosen.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

You don't handle rookie qb's the way you do nhl centerman. It's a recipe for failure imo. This kid should be sitting and learning. Yet here he is, on the fast track to Sanchez and Pennington status.

Great for him and his family, trash for the Jets.

 

[glenwo2]

Rosen.

Oh please.

Sam Darnold is and always will be the Better Pick over Rosen.

Give me a break....

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Oh please.

Sam Darnold is and always will be the Better Pick over Rosen.

Give me a break....

No, he wasn't and the other Josh was possibly a better choice as well. And many agree with me.

 

[NJDevs26]

'Many' agree with you? Darnold was the consensus top QB in the draft everywhere from fans to scouts outside of the dumpster fire that is Cleveland.

If you're a Jets fan then you're what a few people here are with the Devils, constant naysayers while pumping everyone else's tires. And I get with the Jets fatalism is easier and I would have preferred they not go the same route with Darnold they went with Sanchize and Geno but holy crap it's not like no rookies have ever come in and do well or that just because those two (who had maturity issues Darnold doesn't seem to have) failed that Darnold will too. Plenty of rookie QB's have started from day one for other teams and been fine...Ben, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Russel Wilson. Yes they all played more in college first but that's the point, they played. You only get so much out of sitting.

 

[glenwo2]

No, he wasn't and the other Josh was possibly a better choice as well. And many agree with me.

See above post.

 

[NJDevs26]

I imagine most Giants fans are where they usually are. Figuring out how the team is going to smash Philly and Texas with a 1st ballot hof qb. Isht, I forgot the best wr in the league, and a budding superstar at rb.

The Jets unfortunately will probably be where they usually are. Dissappointed in high draft qb's. And it's probably going to feel worse when a dude who played across town makes the pick look even more foolish.

And how often have the Giants smashed Philly and Texas with said HOF QB and WR? So Barkley's going to make the difference now between them missing the playoffs four of the last five years and being a 13-3 Super Bowl favorite? They'd better be a title contender because you don't pass on franchise QB's early in the draft with 38-year old starters unless you're a real win-now team. And a 67-year old GM is trying to win now with a flawed team (still a meh offensive line, very shaky corners) in a tough division.

Ask Browns fans how it went passing on franchise QB's (Wentz, Watson and Goff) for other stuff the last few years.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

'Many' agree with you? Darnold was the consensus top QB in the draft everywhere from fans to scouts outside of the dumpster fire that is Cleveland.

If you're a Jets fan then you're what a few people here are with the Devils, constant naysayers while pumping everyone else's tires. And I get with the Jets fatalism is easier and I would have preferred they not go the same route with Darnold they went with Sanchize and Geno but holy crap it's not like no rookies have ever come in and do well or that just because those two (who had maturity issues Darnold doesn't seem to have) failed that Darnold will too. Plenty of rookie QB's have started from day one for other teams and been fine...Ben, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Russel Wilson. Yes they all played more in college first but that's the point, they played. You only get so much out of sitting.

2 NFL GM's agree he wasn't worth the pick and out of the qb's you named only 1 currently gets into the hof.

Guess what Eli, Brady, and Rodgers did and what they are?

 

[Jack Be Quick]

And how often have the Giants smashed Philly and Texas with said HOF QB and WR? So Barkley's going to make the difference now between them missing the playoffs four of the last five years and being a 13-3 Super Bowl favorite? They'd better be a title contender because you don't pass on franchise QB's early in the draft with 38-year old starters unless you're a real win-now team. And a 67-year old GM is trying to win now with a flawed team (still a meh offensive line, very shaky corners) in a tough division.

Ask Browns fans how it went passing on franchise QB's (Wentz, Watson and Goff) for other stuff the last few years.

Texas hasn't won anything in 22 years and the cheesesteaks just won their first with a backup. The Giants however have managed to pull at least 1 off every decade since Reagan was in office.

Will Barkley AND Hernandez propel the franchise forward? I like to think so.

Those gm's don't think Darnold was the best player - at the most valuable position - on the market, I agree yet hope I'm wrong.

Also, Wentz just watched his team win on the grandest stage in the game. Watched. Let's not punch his ticket to stardom just yet.

 

[NJDevs26]

2 NFL GM's agree he wasn't worth the pick and out of the qb's you named only 1 currently gets into the hof.

Guess what Eli, Brady, and Rodgers did and what they are?

Eli sat for like eight games...is sitting for two months really gonna make that a much of a difference? Not everyone has to follow the exact same rote timetable. If you want HOF QB's Peyton and John Elway started from day one as rookies too. Saying only one QB from that list gets to the HOF misses the point. All four have had very solid-good careers and three won SB's. 'HOF QB' is rare and Eli certainly is not one either without the two playoff runs. Just take the two Patriot games out of it and Eli isn't sniffing Canton.

As far as two GM's passing on him one passed on Darnold because he was less of an immediate need than Barkley and the other is well, the Browns GM. Just about every mock draft had Darnold the first QB off the board and probably no worse than the third pick.

Not for nothing but Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith weren't succeeding if they sat on the bench either, that's just an excuse. Sanchez was an immature goof who was happy to settle into a career as a journeyman clipboard holder making a few million a year after washing out here while Geno was an arrogant clown who got punched out in the locker room and missed a meeting cause he couldn't account for West Coast time changes.

 

[Better Call Sal]

How dare someone sully the good name of Chad Pennington. He would have been a great QB had his arm not deteriorated so fast and I’ll fight anyone who thinks otherwise!

Also, starting Darnold isn’t fast tracking him to bust territory if he already looks the part and all indications are that he does. Even if Sanchez or Geno were thrust into action in their rookie years, they still very much looked like they were works in progress. We’ll see if that looks the case with Darnold in the regular season, but so far, he looks more mature and composed with his decision making than Sanchez or Geno ever looked.

 

[NJDevs26]

I assumed he must have meant Geno cause Chad actually did sit for two years and wouldn't exactly be an example of someone you use to prove a point of someone playing too fast. And no he wasn't exactly a bust either. He was a mid-first round pick who had a solid career that would have been a lot better if his arm wasn't made of glass

 

[tr83]

Peyton Manning started in his draft year and threw what...25 interceptions?

 

[glenwo2]

Eli sat for like eight games...is sitting for two months really gonna make that a much of a difference? Not everyone has to follow the exact same rote timetable. If you want HOF QB's Peyton and John Elway started from day one as rookies too. Saying only one QB from that list gets to the HOF misses the point. All four have had very solid-good careers and three won SB's. 'HOF QB' is rare and Eli certainly is not one either without the two playoff runs. Just take the two Patriot games out of it and Eli isn't sniffing Canton.

As far as two GM's passing on him one passed on Darnold because he was less of an immediate need than Barkley and the other is well, the Browns GM. Just about every mock draft had Darnold the first QB off the board and probably no worse than the third pick.

Not for nothing but Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith weren't succeeding if they sat on the bench either, that's just an excuse. Sanchez was an immature goof who was happy to settle into a career as a journeyman clipboard holder making a few million a year after washing out here while Geno was an arrogant clown who got punched out in the locker room and missed a meeting cause he couldn't account for West Coast time changes.

Got to admit, though.....

For an immature goof, he sure did a good job at faking it (aka fooling just about everyone into thinking he was a Franchise QB with those 4 playoff wins in 2 seasons way back when).

 

[blood gin]

You don't handle rookie qb's the way you do nhl centerman. It's a recipe for failure imo. This kid should be sitting and learning. Yet here he is, on the fast track to Sanchez and Pennington status.

Great for him and his family, trash for the Jets.

You know astonishingly little about football. The fact that you even bring Pennington into this. Pennington was a good QB derailed by injuries. As a player he was quite good when healthy. Why should Darnold be sitting when people around the league are positively flabbergasted at how quickly he's learning and developing at such a young age? If you win the job then you win the job. No two quarterbacks are alike and there is no one size fits all strategy to breaking in a young QB. The Jets threw everything they could at Darnold and it didn't phase him. That's why he's the starter.

Giants are going to be looking up at Philadelphia and Dallas for a long long time. I mean you had the Giants desperately making like 6 o 7 waiver claims the other day which goes to show what they think of their depth. That sort of dumpster diving is not a good sign. Carolina is thrilled to be rid of Gettleman

 

[blood gin]

2 NFL GM's agree he wasn't worth the pick and out of the qb's you named only 1 currently gets into the hof.

Guess what Eli, Brady, and Rodgers did and what they are?

You're going to find out very quickly why teams weren't exactly falling over themselves to acquire the services of Gettleman and Dorsey

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Eli sat for like eight games...is sitting for two months really gonna make that a much of a difference? Not everyone has to follow the exact same rote timetable. If you want HOF QB's Peyton and John Elway started from day one as rookies too. Saying only one QB from that list gets to the HOF misses the point. All four have had very solid-good careers and three won SB's. 'HOF QB' is rare and Eli certainly is not one either without the two playoff runs. Just take the two Patriot games out of it and Eli isn't sniffing Canton.

As far as two GM's passing on him one passed on Darnold because he was less of an immediate need than Barkley and the other is well, the Browns GM. Just about every mock draft had Darnold the first QB off the board and probably no worse than the third pick.

Not for nothing but Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith weren't succeeding if they sat on the bench either, that's just an excuse. Sanchez was an immature goof who was happy to settle into a career as a journeyman clipboard holder making a few million a year after washing out here while Geno was an arrogant clown who got punched out in the locker room and missed a meeting cause he couldn't account for West Coast time changes.

It's not an excuse, it's a strategy.

I was trying to keep it modern. But if we're going back to Elway, Montana, Young, and Marino say hi. But perhaps those niners qb's only threw lucky passes too. Or they had the best wideout, qb, and a top flight rb. That sounds strikingly similar to what the giants currently have and not even close to what the jets do.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

I assumed he must have meant Geno cause Chad actually did sit for two years and wouldn't exactly be an example of someone you use to prove a point of someone playing too fast. And no he wasn't exactly a bust either. He was a mid-first round pick who had a solid career that would have been a lot better if his arm wasn't made of glass

I meant Chad as an example of poor QB selection in the first round.

Nice guy? Definitely. Brilliant football mind - and probably mind in general? No doubt. Isht arm? Unequivocally.

I just can't trust the jets drafting a QB anymore than I can the browns. Sorry.