GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs
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There's a lot wrong with that message:
A. Short sighted. Brings needed grit this year (and I agree) but seriously challenges the ability to give young players opportunities in future years, especially years 3 and 4.
B. The cap hit is not minimal.
C. They might be good in the playoffs but the Canucks won't be in the playoffs.
D. The contracts are not tradable. Especially Beagle in years 3 and 4.
I don't think I'm being negative, just realistic.
THE Green Man
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If a 33 year old Beagle gets 4 years, Sven is going to get a stupid 8 year deal.
Jay beagle contract is horrible.
Roussel at least is younger.
Both overpayment, Schaller is a sneaky good signing.
Schaller was on an energy line in Boston. And that line was very good for one of the better teams in the east.
He's fast ,big, in his prime. Will drop gloves. Underrated skills too. Would look good on the left wing in the middle 6.
Roussel at least is younger.
Both overpayment, Schaller is a sneaky good signing.
Schaller was on an energy line in Boston. And that line was very good for one of the better teams in the east.
He's fast ,big, in his prime. Will drop gloves. Underrated skills too. Would look good on the left wing in the middle 6.
Horse McHindu
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I said that Baertschi for a 2nd was a Benning victory and I still believe that it was. Baertschi produced at a rate that was consistent with that of a decent 2nd line player.
With the Hansen deal, we traded an asset that was clearly in decline, for a talented prospect that had a shot at being a top 6 guy.
I don’t mind Baertschi being here, but I think the Canucks have gotten everything that they could out of the guy and now they have a chance to go younger and cheaper.
I think Leipsic, Pettersson, Boeser, and Eriksson should be the top 4 wingers on the team, while the bottom 6 should be filled with wingers that are bigger and grittier.
Baertschi and Goldobin should be able to land us draft picks.
He's a 12 minute, 4th line guy on a Stanley Cup champ which, if you've been paying attention, we are not even close to being. He will almost certainly play more than that, possibly on the 3rd line and he and Roussell will eat up a lot of tough minutes making the jobs of the new kids considerably easier. He will provide a terrific influence in the gym for them as well; remember, our previous poster boys for fitness just retired. Also remember that we are not a destination of choice for anybody good. Every few weeks I am reminded that Vancouver is NOT a desired destination for any pro hockey player who has any choice in where he plays; this week's reminder came courtesy of Derek Sanderson's book which I found in a thrift store this week and where he says of his stint in Vancouver (which, by that point in his career was the only team that would have him) "it seemed like I spent my whole life in airports". We are and always will be the red headed step-child of the league.
It's also fun watching guys like Moore, Hickey and Cole get signed to better deals than Gudbranson. Patyern, who is Erik's closest FA comparable, signs for 3 years 2.25 AAV. Such a joke. How is this good assest management?
ANd it's not like they signed higher profiles players either. They signed bottom six forwards.
Canucker
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Who cares if he is a "Stanley Cup Champ"? So is Jim Benning....but it's pretty apparent he doesn't know how to build a team to win one himself.
How many tough minutes in a game are there? We already have Sutter taking the hard match ups, if you have Beagle playing >12 minutes then Horvat and Pettersson will be playing below 15 minutes each.
Like I’m aware you think all young players are fragile china dolls who must never face any adversity whatsoever or else they’ll shatter and bust out of the NHL, but c’mon even you should be able to see that what these young kids could actually use is some actual talent to play along side them no? Like a guy who can make a pass to Pettersson or who can cycle the puck and set him up for his one timers, not a guy on a totally different line who is going to scrum it up and take penalties all game long. This obsession with the bottom 6 while completely ignoring the top 6 borders on pathological.
It’s insane that we just watched a SCF featuring the Caps and Vegas Knights and the lesson we walked away with was that we needed to be older, slower, and less skilled.
Just insane myopic-ness.
BEAGLE
I like the player, not sure I'd give 4 years, but he's a guy that is going to likely only play 8-10 minutes a night and take a lot of the tough defensive starts and allow Horvat much more of an opportunity to focus more on offense. We now have a great PK'ing and defensive zone centre that will take a lot of pressure of our young kids and allow them to excel at the other end of the ice.
When the Canucks signed Malholtra, there were lots of people that questioned that contract, but the effect he had with the team became obvious. Top PK in the league, far more offensive opportunities for the offensive players which paid dividends in the end.
If this also means the departure of Sutter, I will be even happier.
ROUSSEL
A younger Alex Burrows. Pest, can skate and also play the PK. Don't like the deal however, but then again by the time we're contending this deal will be coming off the books.
SCHALLER
Hard working player with some grit and size. Good depth signing I suppose. The deal itself is actually not that bad. Short term, not a lot of money.
I like the player, not sure I'd give 4 years, but he's a guy that is going to likely only play 8-10 minutes a night and take a lot of the tough defensive starts and allow Horvat much more of an opportunity to focus more on offense. We now have a great PK'ing and defensive zone centre that will take a lot of pressure of our young kids and allow them to excel at the other end of the ice.
When the Canucks signed Malholtra, there were lots of people that questioned that contract, but the effect he had with the team became obvious. Top PK in the league, far more offensive opportunities for the offensive players which paid dividends in the end.
If this also means the departure of Sutter, I will be even happier.
ROUSSEL
A younger Alex Burrows. Pest, can skate and also play the PK. Don't like the deal however, but then again by the time we're contending this deal will be coming off the books.
SCHALLER
Hard working player with some grit and size. Good depth signing I suppose. The deal itself is actually not that bad. Short term, not a lot of money.
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meh, in the end, who the **** cares about a couple blech bottom 6 forward signings.
Our blueline is the same (at this point) as last season. Think about that for a moment. Nah, just blame Gillis.
Our blueline is the same (at this point) as last season. Think about that for a moment. Nah, just blame Gillis.
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Utica will be filled with young talents. Gaudette, Lind, Gadjovich, Dahlen, and my hope is that Juolevi joins them as well.
As far as the Canucks go, I hope we see Pettersson and maybe even Hughes if he’s ready.
Late last year, we saw Leipsic show some flashes of brilliance and so who knows what he does this year.
Those kids in Utica are going to get a TON of ice time and will get plenty of chances to grow their offensive games. Between doing that and giving them limited 4th line minutes or “throwing them to the wolves” on top 6 nhl duty, I think building something in Utica is by far the better option. Let those kids mesh together and win down there.
Let guys like Sutter, Horvat, Boeser, Gudbranson, Beagle, Tanev, Edler, and Roussel set the “culture,” for this team so that guys like Pettersson, Leipsic, Virtanen, and Hughes can carry these values forward. This is what hockey is all about.
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Of course they will regress because look at the roster they are joining. I guarantee their point totals will be cut in half from last year.
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RandV
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This keeps getting echoed, yet we seem to be the only team overpaying in terms of years and salary for these depth players. This is just more of the same 'nobodies trading picks at the deadline' stuff from Jim Benning. He's the easiest mark in the league and other GM's/agents continue to take advantage of it.
I mean you could maybe make a weak case for Beagle since he just won a Cup, but what makes Roussel so special that his contract gets 'negotiated' up to 4 years when Reider, Comeau, Ryan, and even Bozak, among others, get 3 or less?
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