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GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs
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Getting into a bidding war for 33 y/o Jay Beagle might be the dumbest thing Jim Benning has done so far, and that's saying something. What a complete joke.
And at 24 likely to always be terrible. But if you’re a 24 y/o that Benning brings in then you of course aren’t done developing and are showing signs of potential.
Gaunce and Archibald play a defensive role and do it well. Both are as good as Jay Beagle at a fraction of the price. You need guys like this.
The other 3 are trash.
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Given that this team has had the worst record in the NHL over the last 3 years and is clearly in need of a full rebuild, with personnel moves well planned and consistent with that rebuild what is there to rationalize?
How can anyone be happy with locking up old, mediocre players on long term contracts?
I don’t know, but they’ll be here presenting all the reasons why X player signed for X years at X term really wasn’t “too bad” and that “all the chicken littles” on this board are “overreacting over nothing”.
It’s been 5 years, the patterns are pretty well established by now.
That's exactly right. And that ain't such a bad thing.
They need to have a vision that in two years (starting 20/21) they will have a series of the now young guys as regulars in their line-up or pushing for spots:
Horvat, Boeser, Pettersson, Dahlen, Gaudette and Virtanen should all be top or middle six players.
They have to expect that one or two of Gaunce, Leipsic, Motte, and Goldobin will show that they belong.
One of Lind or Gadjovich may be ready.
It wouldn't be entirely surprising if at least one of Palmu, Madden, or Jasek pushed for a spot.
And Eriksson and Sutter will still be under contract.
By signing aging UFAs to three year contracts they are definitely damaging the development of the players. Two years I can live with.
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Mind boggling how he can continue to stumble along this ill fated path after 5 years when teams like the Leafs have shown exactly how to use free agency and build a top prospect system.
That wouldn't be good for his development for sure.
And this is a pivotal year for him.
y2kcanucks
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Doesn't matter. That doesn't excuse management for being stupid and signing bad contracts.
Yeah they might expect these guys to reach their potential, but how are they supposed to develop when we have just so much crud clogging up the roster taking up all the opportunities from all of these guys as the coach and managers want to have established veteran "leaders" showing them the way, even though teams like Colorado and New Jersey have clearly shown a path forward by ditching all of their vets and going with youth speed and skill.
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Completely.
Other teams are not afraid to go with skill and youth but the management on our bottom feeder needs veteran mentorship and culture carrying to finish in the bottom 5 every year.
I don't buy the ditch everything and let the young guys fake it til they make it. Because it will cause some of them not to make it. I'm more for giving them every opportunity to succeed within the limits of their development. Dahlen is a perfect example. Reports are that he struggled mightly at the beginning of the year and it was more because of his mental rather than physical game. It was apparently the main reason he didn't make the move to the SHL in January. But, by the end of the year, he was tearing up the Allsvenskan and basically carried Timra to promotion. It was a perfect year for his development after the mono setback.
Edler, a top pairing defenseman for years, you call a scrub?
Gagner, who holds the NHL record for most points scored in a single game and came off a 60 point season before signing here, You call a scrub?
I could go on and on. None of the guys you listed are all stars (even though most were at one point) but none of them are scrubs.
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It's really amazing looking with looking at the UFA's he's going after just the complete collection of junk Benning has acquired, he may be the first and only 'hoarder' GM I've ever seen. Looking at forward we basically already have 16 guys in the mix:
Eriksson, Horvat, Sutter, Gagner, Granlund, Boeser, Gaudette, Pettersson, Gaunce, Leipsic, Boucher, Archibald, Virtanen, Baerstchi, Motte, Goldobin
Benning could still surprise us but there doesn't seem to be any plan on moving guys other than pushing them through waivers: Gaunce, Boucher, Goldobin, or waiver exempt players who at this point should be getting a shot at the team: Pettersson, Gaudette, Motte, or just letting them walk: Archibald (I'm assuming we're not going to try with Dowd and Jokinen).
As things stand now this is more or less the position we were in to start last season, after adding a number of UFA's. So it's going to be laughable if/when we pay a premium to add more bottom six guys like Beagle and Roussel on premium multi-year contracts.
Fire Benning
diaper filled piss baby
Other teams are picking up free draft picks meanwhile Jimbo is getting into a heated bidding war over a 33 year old 4C.
Peak Benning.
Peak Benning.
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Call them what you want.
Are you happy with what Loui Eriksson has put out for the last 2 years? Looking forward to 4 more years of it?
Looking forward to 2 more years of 10 goals from Sam Gagner?
CLEARLY, free agency has not been a success for Jim Benning. Might be time to revisit the approach dont you think?
RandV
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Last year it was that we were following the 'Toronto model' and we were going to dump all these guys at the deadline.
Agreed,the management's priority is awful. You have Linden saying is difficult to utilize the cap space as a weapon due to Vegas, but there are already multiple deals that involve teams gaining picks by using cap space.
I seem to recall there was a tweet saying de Haan's agent reach out to Canucks to see if there's interest. And yet Benning is using 5.5 to 6 mil to sign 2 bottom 6 gritty fwds when he could use that money to sign de Haan. I understand there's a logjam of LD but they should make room for de Haan by trading away mdz and/or Hutton
We seem be regressing from the Dave Nonis 'horribly overpay for David Clarkson' Toronto model to the Cliff Fletcher/JFJ 'horribly overpay for Jeff Finger' Toronto model.
This is the one that kills me. You see a team like NJ place 3 rookies aged 18, 19, and 22 in key roles and go from a bottom 5 team to a playoff team ...
And we’re still here frightened to ruin a 22 year old Gaudette or a 23 year old Goldobin by having them make the team without at least a dozen vets to insulate and mentor them.
It’s frustrating beyond belief.
y2kcanucks
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This is why we can't take the pro-Benning side seriously, because you have to make things up.
Gagner has never scored 60 points in a single season.
And last time I checked, Sam Gagner was not Darryl Sittler.
Stop making things up.
Being realistic:
Horvat/Boeser/Bear likely start the year on the top line
Sutter and a pair of wingers get the 2nd most ice time to play the checking role.
Then, it's up to Green to decide how to figure out who gets the 2nd offensive line and what type of 4th line he wants to see.
Best wingers for a pure checking role likely are Granlund/Gaunce/Eriksson/Leipsic. Don't see any reason to put anyone else there if Sutter is in a checking role.
Then, in the offensive role, you have the likes of Gaudette/Petterson/Goldy/Virtanen/Gagner competing. Can drop Bear down in replace of one of the wingers to balance out the youth.
4th line, honestly, given what Green had to role out there for the final line last season, mostly a mashup of Gagner/Vanek/Eriksson/Virtanen after the Henrik line, Bo line, and Sutter line, there was no consistency in offence from them.
They can afford to add 1 forward, but I don't see the need to add 2 this off-season.
Signed guys up front are:
Horvat/Boeser/Granlund/Gaunce/Eriksson/Gagner/Sutter/Leipsic
ELC Gaudette/Petterson/Dahlen/Goldobin/Motte
RFA in Bear and Virtanen
That's 15 guys. I don't expect either of Lind or Gadjovich to make the roster. Best to let them play in the A.
Adding 1 forward like Beagle brings them to 16 guys.
Motte likely sent to the AHL, drops them to 15. Dahlen likely starts in the A as well, so that drops them to 14. They will carry 8 D, so 1 more F needs to go down. Goldy needs to clear waivers. Gaudette and Pettersson don't, but doubt the fans would be happy if they put up a solid pre-season and get sent down. Pretty much leaves them to drop Leipsic. He needs a good camp to show that he belongs as well.
They shouldn't be adding contracts greater than 3 years. I mean, Nik Hjamarlsson got extended 2 years in AZ. His current deal expires when he's 32. Edler is 32 now so his deal expires at age 33. Guaranteed that if this group keeps Edler, it will be longer than 2 years that Hammer got in AZ.
Even with guys like Edler/Hutton/Nilsson/MDZ/Granlund, Gaunce/Leipsic/Goldobin/Dorsett coming off the books in 2019, there is no need to cram up too much bottom end guys. Overpaid bottom end guys with term don't net you anything in terms of a trade.
Between Loui/Sutter/Gagner and say another $3 million for Beagle, that would be about $16.5 million for these 4 guys.
When the actual f*** were Sutter, Gagner, and Del Zotto ever all stars outside of maybe playing in the Young Stars game as rookies? And for Sutter you’d have to go back even further than that.
I get worrying about teenagers. Guess the McCann/Virtanen experiments in 15-16 spooked this group. But, that was more on them for not sending these kids down when they had the chance. They were trying to do 2 things at the same time and had a HC who knew if he didn't win, that he would get canned. Plus where was the leadership of the team to take care of the bad habits behind the scenes?
But, only Pettersson is 19. Gaudette is turning 22 at the beginning of the year and Goldy will be 23 around the same time. Virtanen is also 22. 3/4 guys are not kids. This trio should be physically mature, with maybe Gaudette slightly behind what his ideal build should be, but not by much.
And contrary to the players who are getting signed until they are 37 like the twins and Eriksson, a player's prime years generally do not extend past 34. I mean, half of the great 2003 draft class are not what they used to be.
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