OT: 2018 Football Thread II: Everyone sucks!!!!!!

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It's insane the booth didn't even double-check that.

The most egregious thing in the world is still that targeting call on Landon, which I fear will be forgotten because everyone will just be talking about the field goal, now.

That turned the game at the time. The officiating has been terrible this year. Even the roughing the passer call on Wynn was iffy. I’m not sure what Wynn was supposed to do there and he hit him in the chest.
 
The giants are the first team in history to have 2 games lost on field goals of over 60 yards. They lost to Philly last year the same way
 
I don’t know why Wynn is taking that shot at Newton when there are flags down all over the place it’s an obvious hold call just don’t do it.

Stupid mistakes all day long

The Collins call was a disgrace though

Eli two bad picks

Beckham the horrible punt play.

You just can’t win like this. Crazy kick but you just can’t win playing this way and we’ve been doing it for years.

We’ll finish bottom 4 or 5 for sure and we’ll get our future QB
 
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He could have hit 70 there. Crazy

Due to trajectory with the defensive line though as you go further out it’s more likely a kick is blocked. I’m not sure he gets off the same kick from even 65-66 yards
 
I don’t know why Wynn is taking that shot at Newton when there are flags down all over the place it’s an obvious hold call just don’t do it.

Stupid mistakes all day long

The Collins call was a disgrace though

Eli two bad picks

Beckham the horrible punt play.

You just can’t win like this. Crazy kick but you just can’t win playing this way and we’ve been doing it for years.

We’ll finish bottom 4 or 5 for sure and we’ll get our future QB
The problem is that I don't trust Gettleman to pick the right guy.
 
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It’s amazing that it took a 60+ yarder to best the Giants today. They couldn’t get out of their own way, with a little help from the officials as well.
 
I don’t understand why these downfield plays haven’t been called all season. Eli clearly still has the arm to do it. What the hell have they been waiting for? Or did Shurmur finally tell him he had to start letting it fly and enough with the check down shit?
 
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It’s amazing that it took a 60+ yarder to best the Giants today. They couldn’t get out of their own way, with a little help from the officials as well.

They also scored way too early. It almost felt as if Carolina was letting them score on that drive. They got hurt by the Shepherd initially missed touch too because that stopped the clock. Otherwise they have to run 40 yards up the field and it would have been down to 55 seconds or so
 
It's insane the booth didn't even double-check that.

The most egregious thing in the world is still that targeting call on Landon, which I fear will be forgotten because everyone will just be talking about the field goal, now.
Literally the only thing that I can think of is that was one of the very few instances where the yellow line was not correct. I was surprised, but it didn't seem like anyone was arguing it. Because otherwise it was really close (he looked short of the yellow line to me) and definitely warranted a review.
 
It's insane the booth didn't even double-check that.

The most egregious thing in the world is still that targeting call on Landon, which I fear will be forgotten because everyone will just be talking about the field goal, now.

Right. I don't think that the 3rd down run gets overturned (just too much uncertainty), but man alive was that Collins call awful. What a joke.
 
I have no idea what to think of the Jets.

I really thought Denver's defense was going to give them loads of issues, and here we are. They ran at will, and Darnold could get the ball downfield.

I've pretty much determined that I can look at the schedule and opponent, expect one thing and see the polar opposite.

Such is life with a rookie QB though I guess.
 
It's insane the booth didn't even double-check that.
I thought it looked like he made it at the time but I didn't see a clear replay. But it really didn't matter since they kicked the field goal from the same spot.
Due to trajectory with the defensive line though as you go further out it’s more likely a kick is blocked. I’m not sure he gets off the same kick from even 65-66 yards
Would he have kicked it any differently from 65? Maybe but the exact same kick makes it so the trajectory wouldn't matter.
I've pretty much determined that I can look at the schedule and opponent, expect one thing and see the polar opposite.
The jets are going to knock Luck out of the game and get torched by Jacoby Brissett.
 
I thought it looked like he made it at the time but I didn't see a clear replay. But it really didn't matter since they kicked the field goal from the same spot.

Would he have kicked it any differently from 65? Maybe but the exact same kick makes it so the trajectory wouldn't matter.

The jets are going to knock Luck out of the game and get torched by Jacoby Brissett.

Ha! that's entirely possible.

Colts are banged up and I would expect to be able to move the ball on them. But they rush the QB well, which could cause a lot of problems.
 
I have no idea what to think of the Jets.

I really thought Denver's defense was going to give them loads of issues, and here we are. They ran at will, and Darnold could get the ball downfield.

I've pretty much determined that I can look at the schedule and opponent, expect one thing and see the polar opposite.

Such is life with a rookie QB though I guess.

IT was the first game where they changed the Oline run blocking scheme completely. They had been making their big, strong, slow O line move sideways every single run play for zone blocking. Yesterday they rarely ran zone, it was all straight ahead, double teams, chip blocks by guards and seal's by TE's. That's what this Oline's best attribute is-straight ahead, smash mouth run blocking. Denver was likely unprepared for this bc the Jets had literally not done it all year and Denver likely got worn out by the time they fully adjusted later in the game.

Even still, Darnold was PERFECT on 2 long TD's. Take those away (which is reasonable since Darnold has been exceptionally inaccurate leading up to yesterday) and the Jets probably still lose.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is my read on the Jets is this:
Darnold is going to be a rookie and squander games like this
The Oline is limited and other teams may be able to prepare more effectively for this in the future
The D has some issues with discipline and communication but when firing on all cylinders is top 5 talent wise.
The coaching staff makes a lot of poor decisions. They frequently do not put players in the best position to succeed.

It's a slightly below average team overall that can skate by occasionally with some luck on O and some great D talent.
 
I thought it looked like he made it at the time but I didn't see a clear replay. But it really didn't matter since they kicked the field goal from the same spot.

Would he have kicked it any differently from 65? Maybe but the exact same kick makes it so the trajectory wouldn't matter.

The jets are going to knock Luck out of the game and get torched by Jacoby Brissett.

I still think it mattered even though the spot wasn't different. The McCaffrey run started with 30 seconds on the clock, and after they got everyone off of him I think there were about 15 seconds left and the clock running. If they spotted him short, they'd have to run out the FG team and do one of those quick attempts where shit seems to frequently go wrong, since it would have been fourth down and obviously you can't spike it. It very well may have ended the same, but, IDK.

As far as the whole kick trajectory thing I think you're right. These guys are generally maxing out around 65 (although apparently Gano hit from 71 in high school, which is absurd). So, I don't think these guys are going to really be hitting it any differently from 60,63, 65, 67. It's basically the same max-effort, most-efficient trajectory for length kick they have in their bag. I mean you lower that trajectory anymore, and forget the defense, you're no longer hitting it as far as you can. Max distance still needs some loft.
 
A 6th round pick would be an acceptable return for Flowers.

As soon as the Giants missed Beasley by a pick that year, I knew it was going to be a disaster.
 
Darnold has been very accurate within the hashes.
They used to show these awesome charts in game breaking down where throws went all season by field section. Deep(I think 20+ yards) left, deep middle, deep right. Same for within 20 yards. I'd love to see that for him

I dont think he has many throws deep over the middle. Maybe a lot of 5 yard stuff. Either way it's his overall accuracy I'm talking about. I think he had under 50% completed even with those 2 perfect sideline throws. Tbf two drops occurred so he'd have been at 50%.

He's missed wide open guys repeatedly. He's a rookie, I get why he missed. I'm just noting that he has been inaccurate and that those throws on Sunday went a long way to showing improvement
 
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