OT: 2018 Football Thread II: Everyone sucks!!!!!!
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silverfish
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Im not certain that taking barq was bad. They can easily draft a qb in this coming draft and will not have lost anything substantial. Plus they'll have this all world outlet in barq. He was amazing yesterday. Dude had to have broken records for yards after contact and broken tackles yesterday.
Eli looked done to me LAST year. Guy is now missing throws badly and is clearly mentally destroyed by this o-line which i suspect will grade out to bottom 5 by seasons end.
That said, there were at least 4 plays where you've got every WR running 10 yards deep before any of them makes any sort of move. This means multiple wr's are side by side 2 seconds into every play, eliminating half the field. It means there are no quick slant options to take advantage of in the wide open middle of the field after all tjose blitzes. It also means you constantly ask the oline to hold their blocks for an extra 2 seconds while the routes develop.
But 3 seconds in when the routes develop, eli is already ducking, maneuvering away from pressure and taking his eyes away from his options downfield.
They constantly ran plays that required time to develop and dal coach staff nailed em on it every single time. Outcoached is an understatement
That's why barq had 1 mil catches. Terrible play designs, no adjustments, terrible blocking.
Eli looked done to me LAST year. Guy is now missing throws badly and is clearly mentally destroyed by this o-line which i suspect will grade out to bottom 5 by seasons end.
That said, there were at least 4 plays where you've got every WR running 10 yards deep before any of them makes any sort of move. This means multiple wr's are side by side 2 seconds into every play, eliminating half the field. It means there are no quick slant options to take advantage of in the wide open middle of the field after all tjose blitzes. It also means you constantly ask the oline to hold their blocks for an extra 2 seconds while the routes develop.
But 3 seconds in when the routes develop, eli is already ducking, maneuvering away from pressure and taking his eyes away from his options downfield.
They constantly ran plays that required time to develop and dal coach staff nailed em on it every single time. Outcoached is an understatement
That's why barq had 1 mil catches. Terrible play designs, no adjustments, terrible blocking.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
You can easily draft a QB and not lose anything substantial? Ok
Guys like Darnold grow on trees.
Guys like Darnold grow on trees.
While we're on the subject of outcoached (hi todd)
What did he blow his load studying matt patricia's pop warner playbook and forget you have to scheme differently each week? I dont think they even make adjustments. How many times do we have to ask the rookie qb to set the tone on first down?
The phish were giving up chunks of yards to crowell on first down runs but they only ran on first down once every 3 drives it seemed. This is a big, powerful, veteran oline with a big, powerful runner. Stop with the reach block bullshit, get them lined up and send them straight ahead, especially when it's working.
Great call cutting ASJ for two bums who get beat out by an undrafted fa and drop passes when they are out there. Worst move of the off season.
Why would you want a big, strong, fast, productive veteran outlet to roam the middle of the field and present matchup problems that your rookie qb can exploit?
Good thing we got Terrell "gives up in the end zone and drops crucial passes" Pryor.
Can someone coach this goddamn defense to have some f***ing outside contain? First 3rd down and tge phins are so confident in the jets uncoached lack of discipline they give it to tannehill with a bum knee and ZERO blocking to run out a 3rd and 6.
I keep waiting for todd to get it. 4 years in, same old shit
Who the f*** loses a rb on 3rd and 19!? Who the f*** lets bum knee tannehill run out a game ending 3rd and 8? Todd coached defenses that's who.
The phins knew it too. Hey, f*** it, these idiots will blow right by the check down so everyone just run a go route and no one will be within 30 yards to make a f***ing play on the RB. LOL
Camt forget a bowles staple. Did we f*** off with another timeout and find later on that we desperately needed it? YUP.
Easy 3 choked away by the 2nd pick. Easy 3 choked away at the half. The fumble and interception both killed good drives, another easy 3.
21-20 gets coached down to 20-12
What did he blow his load studying matt patricia's pop warner playbook and forget you have to scheme differently each week? I dont think they even make adjustments. How many times do we have to ask the rookie qb to set the tone on first down?
The phish were giving up chunks of yards to crowell on first down runs but they only ran on first down once every 3 drives it seemed. This is a big, powerful, veteran oline with a big, powerful runner. Stop with the reach block bullshit, get them lined up and send them straight ahead, especially when it's working.
Great call cutting ASJ for two bums who get beat out by an undrafted fa and drop passes when they are out there. Worst move of the off season.
Why would you want a big, strong, fast, productive veteran outlet to roam the middle of the field and present matchup problems that your rookie qb can exploit?
Good thing we got Terrell "gives up in the end zone and drops crucial passes" Pryor.
Can someone coach this goddamn defense to have some f***ing outside contain? First 3rd down and tge phins are so confident in the jets uncoached lack of discipline they give it to tannehill with a bum knee and ZERO blocking to run out a 3rd and 6.
I keep waiting for todd to get it. 4 years in, same old shit
Who the f*** loses a rb on 3rd and 19!? Who the f*** lets bum knee tannehill run out a game ending 3rd and 8? Todd coached defenses that's who.
The phins knew it too. Hey, f*** it, these idiots will blow right by the check down so everyone just run a go route and no one will be within 30 yards to make a f***ing play on the RB. LOL
Camt forget a bowles staple. Did we f*** off with another timeout and find later on that we desperately needed it? YUP.
Easy 3 choked away by the 2nd pick. Easy 3 choked away at the half. The fumble and interception both killed good drives, another easy 3.
21-20 gets coached down to 20-12
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Synergy27
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In the NFL these days they actually kinda do. Look at all the successful early career guys going right now: Wentz, Goff, Mahomes, Watson last year. It honestly seems harder to find offensive linemen at this point.
Imagine what one of these journeyman guys like Fitzpatrick or Keenum could be doing with OBJ and Barkley. I was definitely skeptical of the Barkley pick but he's better than advertised if anything.
I feel like this ignores SO many things though.
Example: Darnold could easily flame out while barq could be a massive help to whoever you draft NEXT year. What exactly do you think i mean by "you wont lose anything significant"? If you get a qb next year instead of this year then its practically a crap shoot whether it's aaron rodgers, carson wentz, alex smith, sam bradford or ryan leaf. So what's lost? You still can get the qb. I dont get what your problem is with what i said
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Are they behind the Giants' disaster of an offensive line and playing out the Giants atrocious play calling? If so, the results would probably be similar.
The point raised by @shinchanuuhh about the plays with all 4 WR running 10 yards out before making any moves is a perfect example of what's wrong with the Giants offense. What is the point there? It's like they're trying to give the D time to get through the O line and get to Eli while none of the receivers are creating any separation. All these playmakers and stuff and they're running a garbage and predictable offense.
Eli hasn't been great, but the play calling is doing no favors. It seems like there's no strategy or plan.
Bob Richards
Mr. Mojo Risin'
They don't grow on trees because all of these men you named were early first round selections with Goff and Wentz being picks 1/2.
A gigantic majority of the starting QBs in the league are taken in the first round usually in the top percentiles of the draft because the drop off after that is extremely dramatic.
Running backs, from good to hyper elite, can get taken anywhere. It has to be one of the most consistently replaceable positions in the sport. Hell the Patriots and Eagles last year had like 538 RBs between them.
Kirk cousins, mahomes, roethlisberger, brady, brees, rodgers, carr, tannehill, fitzpatrick, dak prescott, russel wilson, garropolo, bortles, watson
I dont disagree with you. Rbs are way easiee to get late. Im still on the fence though bc it is important to note ALL those guys were taken outside the top 5 and are the starters (and not hot garbage). Darnold could be worse than a qb tge nyg take next year. I cant say for sure. I love darnold too but i know enough to admit it's wrong to pretend like it's right or wrong to do what the nyg did. If darnold busts and barq is the centerpiece of a future super bowl team...
In general it's shocking they took a rb instead of a qb. But there are specific individuals and if they're right about darnold then shit i cant get on em. Or if they have a target for next year and they land it then i cant get on them
Edit...forgot dalton, keenum (meh not sure i should include him) oh and flacco!
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Hopefully the 1st QB you drafted will fill your need. If he doesn't work out draft another the following year. Here's the last 10 years. The Jets kind of drafted like this with some clear misses. The need wasn't there for the Giants for the most part but now it is. You don't know who will work out and you don't know where you'll draft. QB is the most important position to lock up.
Jets
2009 #5 Sanchez
2011 #208 McElroy
2013 #39 Geno
2014 Passed on Bridgewater, Carr, Garrappolo but took Boyd @ #213
2015 #103 Petty
2016 #51 Hack
2017 Passed on Mahomes/Watson
2018 #3 Sammy
Giants
2009 #151 Bomar
2013 #110 Nassib
2017 #87 Webb
2018 #108 Lauletta h/t SF
BTW Why did the Giants cut bait with Webb so quickly - was that ever reported?
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silverfish
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You forgot about Lauletta last year (108), and Jackson this year.
Lauletta was this year but yeah weird he didn't show up in the draft finder (or maybe I just missed him). Do you mean Lamar Jackson? Giants passed on every QB in 2018 but I really only focused on who the Jets passed on.
Then u have to evaluate if the qb is going to be worth it or if another position could be filled. Way more complicated then just keep drafting qb's. Which is why no one picks a qb in all 7 rounds
NYR Viper
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Okay it's been a few years since I graduated from UB, but when the hell did we change our colors to black?
silverfish
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I mean Tyree. The far better Jackson.
We're still mainly white/blue, but they break out the black every now and then. I have no idea when that started, though. Jump on the bandwagon. We've got three kids on this team who are going to be players at the next level.
Tyree Jackson (QB)
Anothony Johnson (WR)
Khalil Hodge (ILB)
We're on the road against Rutgers this week, and opened as the favorite. Yeah, Rutgers sucks, but it's still on the road against a Big10 team and UB is FAVORED. Can't get over that.
WalterFootball.com: 2019 NFL Draft: Quarterback Rankings
Unfortunately, I fully expect that the Giants won't draft one, Gettleman and ownership won't assume the mistake they made so soon.
Unfortunately, I fully expect that the Giants won't draft one, Gettleman and ownership won't assume the mistake they made so soon.
Let me put it this way - you can't draft every position in the draft so you draft based on your priority. If QB is a priority and there is a good QB prospect available when you draft or it is feasible to trade up, you do it. No other position has the impact.
Jets traded up for Sanchez #5 and go to 2009 AFC championship game with him. They think they have their QB and don't draft one in 2010. They go to AFC championship again. He's not great but seems pretty solid but draft the QB for the NCAA champion tide in 2011 7th round
. Sanchez has a decent season again despite no playoffs and don't draft a QB in 2012, passing on 2 future SB winners in the 3rd round. Hard to really expect much from non 1st round picks since every other team passed on them before as well. Then the fun begins with Tebow and Sanchez begins his regression. Jets draft Geno and the suck begins in earnest. TO be fair Geno was probably the best of the rest but he wasn't in a good situation. The Jets tried to draft QBs but if no one good is available you take a shot and hope for the best. Hard to say now if they should have taken Mahomes last year, and who knows what could have been if they draft Carr, but can you really blame them for passing on Paxton Lynch?
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
You almost seem to be ignoring the point of my post, which is that OL is the most important position and increasingly becoming the most difficult to adequately fill.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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