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Interesting that you like Allen lol. He has more of a bust potential than the other 2 combined.
I'm not sure that is bona fide conventional wisdom or not, but even still, it's a fair point, but his boom potential is supposedly higher as well.

Also I dispute that to extent of 'other 2'.
Mayfield can't control laws of physics.
The field remains the same size, which makes it easier for bigger, faster D to catch, contain, punish him.
Also, he may be accurate slinging from angles, but in pro game those windows are extremely small and short.
IF he played in Fran Tarkenton's day, he'd be all that and a bag of chips.
But dat wuz den an dis is now.

Since then, pretty much every successful passer who was more than a brief flash in the pan has been able to handle the rush, secondarily by eluding the rush or cool pocket presence. Joe Montana is the marquee illustration of this point. He didn't really rush, but he could sidestep extremely well. But even still, he could beat you staying in the pocket.

Darnold is safe +, IMO. Not great size, not added something something to be physically dominant, but enough to handle pro game, and while I don't want to say super intelligent, expect once he gets used to the league he will show comparable smarts to O'Brien and Pennington, but with more athletic ability and some more zip on the ball, enough to make a difference.

However, Rosen is potentially another Elway.
Would have gone there.
 
Man this board is super negative. I was all in on QBs but this board is even too negative for me about drafting arguably the best player in the draft and best running back in a decade. I feel like this board is looking at things like a hockey draft where every pick is about the future.
 
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And this guy:

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Classic Bern.

I do not begrudge someone their moment of happiness, but let's be honest.
Phil McConkey was a heart and soul guy.
Got crushed in I think a SB game, and after flattened got up with 'that's the best you got' attitude. Loved it, and I'm a Jets fan.
That said, you take Al Toon over McK 10 out of 10.
You take Sean ?Shawn? Springs and taller CBs over smaller counterparts, to deny taller receivers.

Good big man etc.
It's an adage for a reason.
 
There’s no way anyone could play without any wide receivers no decent running back and flowers protecting the blindside. Give me a break.

Lol, you're such a laughable apologist.

It's hilarious since you blame Hank for everything. :laugh:

Also, I love how you think you need even decent receivers to not throw the ball into the players' feet or thirteen feet over their heads.
 
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Thank you. Saved me from doing this. It appears that hockey isn't the only sport he is clueless regarding.

Yeah, it's an established adage.
It's a freakin RULE.
Are there exceptions to every rule? Sure.
But the rule, not the exception, typically prevails.

Yeah, I point out an adage, you disagree, and instead of being respectful, call me clueless.

Haters gonna hate. You know what you can do with your bias.
Be humbled and embarrassed by it.

WE DONT WANT DARNOLD.
We [most of us should have] wanted Rosen.
Darnold is acceptable consolation, even at cost paid, risk is acceptable.
 
Lol, you're such a laughable apologist.

It's hilarious since you blame Hank for everything. :laugh:

Also, I love how you think you need even decent receivers to not throw the ball into the players' feet or thirteen feet over their heads.
It didn't happen that often, Eli always did that anyway. The only thing that gets me hope is that playoff game against Green Bay, he basically the player that showed up that day. The defense was good too until DRC got injuried.
 
Man this board is super negative. I was all in on QBs but this board is even too negative for me about drafting arguably the best player in the draft and best running back in a decade. I feel like this board is looking at things like a hockey draft where every pick is about the future.

When you have a declining QB in a QB driven league, yes the pick is about the future.

If you think the Giants are going to be a Super Bowl contender this upcoming season, well that's your right.
 
When you have a declining QB in a QB driven league, yes the pick is about the future.

If you think the Giants are going to be a Super Bowl contender this upcoming season, well that's your right.

I wanted Darnold/Rosen, but I can't help feel that HF treats the NFL draft like the NHL draft. When you draft the best player in the draft and arguably a generational running back every post shouldn't be bitching. If it were 50/50 I'd totally get.
 
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Lol, you're such a laughable apologist.

It's hilarious since you blame Hank for everything. :laugh:

Also, I love how you think you need even decent receivers to not throw the ball into the players' feet or thirteen feet over their heads.

Classy to make sure you get an insult in on every response for disagreeing with you by the way. I recall Eli having a great 2016. Was hitting guys in the hands against Green Bay. Had a horrible year last year like literally every other guy on the team and in management. You’re crying like a child because we took the best player in the draft a generational talent and the second round hasn’t even started yet. It’d be like crying the Rangers took dahlin instead of a goalie because Hank is 37 and had a tough year. Have a beer chill out and let’s see what they do. Obviously Eli is on his last legs but if they didn’t believe in a qb at early then you don’t just take a guy to take a guy. That is laughable.
 
I wanted Darnold/Rosen, but I can't help feel that HF treats the NFL draft like the NHL draft. When you draft the best player in the draft and arguably a generational running back every post shouldn't be *****ing. If it were 50/50 I'd totally get.

Actually no one is treating the NFL draft like the NHL draft. If that was the case, no one would complaining. But, there are premium positions and RB is not one of them.
 
There it is were up and we’ve got all 3 guys on the board. Daniels Hernandez and Landry. Can’t lose here.
 
Good for the Giants. Perfect pick after taking Barkley. They have addressed the 2 biggest problems the last 2 years with the 1st 2 picks.
 
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