OT: 2018 Football Thread: Camp is (almost) here!!!!!

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

God I was so excited for tonight and left it with nothing but broken dreams
Hopefully the NHL dradft isnt like this

Well based on the guys we targeted/picked since 2016 I wouldn’t worry about it

Also gorton not being lobotomized helps

 

[RangerBlues]

Gettleman takes the BPA.
I dont see the issue.

 

[JT Kreider]

My biggest issue with the Giants taking Barkley is if they have another crap year with a further declining Eli... then What? At least with Rosen or Darnold you have one year of his development and you have a clear direction and something to build around heading into 2019.

Incredibly short term thinking.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

My biggest issue with the Giants taking Barkley is if they have another crap year with a further declining Eli... then What? At least with Rosen or Darnold at least you have one year of his development and you have something to build around heading into 2019.

Incredibly short term thinking.

Another crap year then you take someone like Drew Lock

 

[le_sean]

So who are Day 2 targets for the Giants?

 

[Edge]

Personally, I think Barkley is arguably the most impressive and unique RB I’ve seen in a decade. I don’t know if I buy into the belief that he’s there if the Giants trade down. And one thing is certainly clear, the Giants LOVED this guy.

Eli aside, I don’t think they loved the “top” QBs in this draft. The wildcard is how they view Webb, which is something that isn’t getting a lot of chatter on here.

We’re focused on Eli, we’re focused on hypothetical trade down scenarios, but there is one thing we know and one thing we don’t know.

We know they thought Barkley was the best player in the draft and it wasn’t really close for them.

We don’t know if they think Webb is their QB of the future.

Now it’s up to them to prove they were right about the first point and we’ll see what the answer is to the second point.

 

[DudMan28]

The impact is that those teams haven’t won anything thanks to average QBs.

In the end, hind sight is going to be 20/20. From what I heard, most analysts didnt rate any of these Qb's as high as some guys in previous years. We got arguably the most purely talented guy in the draft. I'm ok with it. Can't judge a pick 2 minutes after its done.

If Eli is as shitty as most people think, I dont see us picking much lower next year.

 

[Fvital92]

I think Lamar could slip to 34 unless NE takes him.

They won't draft a QB. They are in love with Eli. Lets pray Webb is gonna be the steal of last year draft down the road.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

So who are Day 2 targets for the Giants?

Mason Rudolph because we didn't take Darnold like morons

 

[Ghost of jas]

Take a look at the impact high end running backs have had in the last few years. Fournette. Elliot. Gurley.

The narrative changed when a bad crop of running backs came through the first round and then nobody put a "premium" on the position anymore. But that doesnt mean you cant take a guy that high. It just needs to be the right guy, which I think Barkley is.

None of the analysts loved these QB's. They all had red flags - but analysts know they go first, so they have to find the good in them, and sell fans on why they "could" be the guy. Fans of bad teams stick around because these guys get hyped up for weeks on end. "This is our year. We get the guy that can change our franchise". Three years later, they're a career backup like Sanchez, Geno, Bradford, etc.

Give the kid a few days before you start ripping the pick.

As Jonathan pointed out, you’re paying a premium price for a position that doesn’t hold that kind of value in the cap era.

 

[JT Kreider]

Another crap year then you take someone like Drew Lock

But then you lose one season of your QB development and you're that much further away from getting back into contention

 

[2Leetch_94]

So who are Day 2 targets for the Giants?

I'd say it would be very wise to target an offensive lineman at some point tomorrow. You invest in a RB 2nd overall, you better give him some holes to run through.

 

[DudMan28]

My biggest issue with the Giants taking Barkley is if they have another crap year with a further declining Eli... then What? At least with Rosen or Darnold you have one year of his development and you have a clear direction and something to build around heading into 2019.

Incredibly short term thinking.

If we suck, then we get another shot in the top 5 to take our QB.

A rookie QB is much better suited handing of to Barkley compared to Jonathan Stewart.

 

[Edge]

If Eli is as ****ty as most people think, I dont see us picking much lower next year.

That’s a blique and depressing thought.

And I say that while nodding my head in agreement.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The guy the Cowboys just drafted looks like he would fit in well on the guards team from The Longest Yard

 

[Zibanejbread]

 

[Edge]

As Jonathan pointed out, you’re paying a premium price for a position that doesn’t hold that kind of value in the cap era.

I can’t say I disagree, but I also can’t recall a RB who caught my eye like Barkley either. At least not in a very long time.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Personally, I think Barkley is arguably the most impressive and unique RB I’ve seen in a decade. I don’t know if I buy into the belief that he’s there if the Giants trade down. And one thing is certainly clear, the Giants LOVED this guy.

Eli aside, I don’t think they loved the “top” QBs in this draft. The wildcard is how they view Webb, which is something that isn’t getting a lot of chatter on here.

We’re focused on Eli, we’re focused on hypothetical trade down scenarios, but there is one thing we know and one thing we don’t know.

We know they thought Barkley was the best player in the draft and it wasn’t really close for them.

We don’t know if they think Webb is their QB of the future.

Now it’s up to them to prove they were right about the first point and we’ll see what the answer is to the second point.

The specter of Webb would be a lot clearer if they didn’t f*** up looking at him last year. I have no confidence in Gettelman after watching what’s taken place.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I can’t say I disagree, but I also can’t recall a RB who caught my eye like Barkley either. At least not in a very long time.

This team has to re-sign both Beckham and Collins, with Eli still on the books. Paying a premium price for a running back doesn’t help any of that.

 

[DudMan28]

As Jonathan pointed out, you’re paying a premium price for a position that doesn’t hold that kind of value in the cap era.

Yeah, I read that article too. I still think you're getting a high impact from a guy thats not going to make a ton money. The best running backs make under 10 mil - its not exactly the end of the world.

Eli is going to look a lot better throwing 3rd and short because Barkley gained 8 yards on downs 1 & 2.

 

[Ghost of jas]

In the end, hind sight is going to be 20/20. From what I heard, most analysts didnt rate any of these Qb's as high as some guys in previous years. We got arguably the most purely talented guy in the draft. I'm ok with it. Can't judge a pick 2 minutes after its done.

If Eli is as ****ty as most people think, I dont see us picking much lower next year.

But Barkley makes them a Super Bowl contender so I’ve heard.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I don't like this recent run of linemen coming off the board

 

[Edge]

The specter of Webb would be a lot clearer if they didn’t **** up looking at him last year. I have no confidence in Gettelman after watching what’s taken place.

I can’t disagree with that either.

But that’s not on Gettelman.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I can’t disagree with that either.

But that’s not on Gettelman.

No, but it is on ownership that hired him.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I now know Pete Prisco of NFL.com is a complete idiot. Gave the Jets a C and bitched they didn't take Allen. Proclaimed Allen the best QB in the draft and said he didn't understand why the Jets didn't take him. Guess he hasn't heard literally anyone elses opinions on the draft or watched either guy play.